2-Feb-90 14:23:15-MST,8279;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 2-Feb-90 14:16:23 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 90 14:16:23 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #17 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 2 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 17 Today's Topics: adding extra drives Compression algorithms wanted Heath/Zenith Z-100 & 5 different OSes USQ on the IBM. (3 msgs) VECTOR GRAPHICS S100 COMPUTERS Z80MU ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Feb 90 15:23:57 GMT From: Paul Clayson Subject: adding extra drives Hello Has anybody ever tried adding a Commodore C128 5.25inch disc drive to an Amstrad PCW8256 (or similar) running CP/M. I would also like any information at all about the Commodore drive, what type of 'commands' it understands and how to read/write data to it! Thanks for any information Paul Clayson - pc3@ukacrl.bitnet - pc3@ib.rl.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 90 08:52:54 GMT From: snorkelwacker!spdcc!merk!alliant!linus!nixbur!nixpbe!peun11!josef@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Moellers) Subject: Compression algorithms wanted Message-ID: <774@nixpbe.UUCP> Hi, I am writing a program to unpack .LBR archives on UNIX (perhaps pack later). I have the structure of the archive (which is fairly simple). What I am looking for is a description of the compression algorithms used when squeezing or crunching files (i.e. generating *.?Z? or *.?Q?) Any pointers or help? I'll make the program available if there is any interest! thanks in advance Josef Moellers | c/o Nixdorf Computer AG USA: uunet!philabs!linus!nixbur!mollers.pad | Abt. DX-PC !USA: mcvax!unido!nixpbe!mollers.pad | Pontanusstr Phone: (+49) 5251 146245 | D-4790 Paderborn ------------------------------ Date: Fri 2 Feb 90 13:42:14-EST From: Gern Subject: Heath/Zenith Z-100 & 5 different OSes Message-ID: <12563193352.15.GUBBINS@TOPS20.RADC.AF.MIL> The Z-100 is a very powerful machine cabable of running five different operating systems (at least, several persons are porting MIMIX to it now as well). It is an 8085/8088 S-100 Bus system. Depending on the year made it ran the 8088 at 5 or 8MHz, with most current users running at 10MHz. The 8085 side, which runs at 5MHz, has mostly been ignored by most users. The Zenith supported OSes for the 8085 are CP/M-85 (V3?), and even HDOS. The Zenith supported OSes for the 8088 are CP/M-86, MS-DOS V1-3 (Version 1 of MS-DOS was called Z-DOS), CCP/M, MP/M (multiuser or multitasking, neither caught on). CP/M+ was available from a 3rd party. In spite of the ignorance of one poster, the Zenith Z-100 ran True MS-DOS, not the kludged version maimed to operate in the PC and clones. The Z-100 design did not put limits on MS-DOS, so if you want 768K of MS-DOS RAM, and with a S-100 RAM expansion card - 1MByte of RAM, MS-DOS was more than happy to use all of it. The Z-100, as was the Tandy 2000, and TI Professional - Superior systems in all respects to the PClones that ran MS-DOS : Better hardware, CPU speed, better graphics, easier programming. But, because of the superior features, they are not PC hardware compatible. A program written for MS-DOS (or CP/M for that matter) will operate on any system with MS-DOS (or CP/M). Programs that violate this (Like most PClone programs, all programs that use graphics, programs that directly use hardware/ports/etc will usually blow up on a system that it was not written to run on. The Z-100 can, in fact, run a lot of PClone programs directly (Norton, ARC, PKARC, MS languages, Borland languages, etc), even more with a compatibility software patch (INT 10 handler). A lot of popular software has Z-100 versions that make use of the Z-100s features (Lotus 123, Dbase, MS-MULTIPLAN, Turbo Pascal, Wordstar, Autocad, Word Perfect, etc.). There is an active net group on the Z-100 at INFO-HZ100[-REQUEST]@ TOPS20.RADC.AF.MIL I can send you boot and diagnostics disks for the Z-100 if you are desparate and I can try to dig up some spare Z-100, MS-DOS, CP/M-85 manuals. Cheers, Gern ------- ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jan 90 13:54:10 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (K.) Subject: USQ on the IBM. Message-ID: <5351@vax1.tcd.ie> OK, I wonder can anyone help me.... Is there an IBM PC version of the CP/M decompresser USQ.com (the one that decompresses files of the sort *.?Q? Or failing that, a version that will work on either a Northstar advantage or an Osborne (both running CP/M 2.2) Thanking you. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 90 03:19:17 GMT From: milton!bperigo@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Bob Perigo) Subject: USQ on the IBM. Message-ID: <1700@milton.acs.washington.edu> In article <5351@vax1.tcd.ie> jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (K.) writes: > >Is there an IBM PC version of the CP/M decompresser USQ.com (the one that > yes, you can grab the msdos version off mine and many other bbs. there also is good old newSweep for cpm that will do the trick on your os and n* puters. wish i knew how to post the binary to one of the source groups. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 90 01:54:09 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson) Subject: USQ on the IBM. Message-ID: <1046@mindlink.UUCP> > jfsenior writes: > > Is there an IBM PC version of the CP/M decompresser USQ.com (the one that > decompresses files of the sort *.?Q? I believe that Dave Rand's NSWP (NewSWEEP) program for the IBM PC does this. If you can't find a copy on a local board, send me e-mail and I'll arrange to get it to you. -CJS ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 90 16:39:41 GMT From: farris@marlin.nosc.mil (Russell H. Farris) Subject: VECTOR GRAPHICS S100 COMPUTERS Message-ID: <1306@marlin.NOSC.MIL> Earlier this week I acquired a Vector Graphics S100 computer with a dedicated NEC 7000 (700Q?) printer and a 5 Mb hard drive. I have a few questions about it. 1. Is there a Vector user's group? 2. Was an 8088/86 board ever made? 3. Can the printer be adapted to work with an RS-232 or Centronics port? 4. Can the hard-sectored floppy drive be tricked into reading any of my Osborne or Kaypro diskettes? Thanks to everyone who helped with my Otrona questions last year. Russ Farris (farris@marlin.nosc.mil) (619) 553-4129 Code 444 Naval Ocean System Center "as for Gunnar I cannot speak, San Diego, Calif 92152 but his halberd is home!" ------------------------------ Date: 1 Feb 90 20:32:42 GMT From: csusac!mmsac!qmet!sc@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Steve Croft) Subject: Z80MU Message-ID: <839@qmet.UUCP> In article <766@nixpbe.UUCP>, josef@peun11.uucp (Moellers) writes: > As far as I know, Z80MU relies heavily on the similarities between > MESSDOS and CP/M to simplify the whole system. > You'll probably have to simulate MESSDOS or even CP/M to run Z80MU. Yeah, I realized this after thinking about it for awhile. I'm sure Z80MU passes alotta info to MSDOS directly. We already run it on our 386i by running it through a DOS process; I was hoping for a method to get it directly on UNIX to help performance. Steve -- ****************************************************************************** * If what I say is not correct, * Steve Croft, Qualimetrics, Inc. * * then it's not what I meant! * (ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac!qmet!sc) * ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #17 ************************************ 5-Feb-90 12:20:57-MST,9448;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 90 12:15:15 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #18 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 5 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 18 Today's Topics: 1793 Disk Contr. Info? CCS S100 Boards Info? Compression algorithms wanted CompuCorp 775 Computer File transfers through console JRT Pascal doc wanted Z280 Assembler wanted! Z80MU ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Feb 90 15:26:32 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Musker) Subject: 1793 Disk Contr. Info? Message-ID: <11104@attcan.UUCP> I have almost completed disassembling the ROM from my OSBORNE-I, (I will be porting CP/M 3.0 to it), and I can't quite make sense out of some of the data being sent to or received from the 1793 floppy controller. Can anyone confirm the significance of these ports? RS1 RS0 PORT ======================================== 0 0 READ=STATUS, WRITE=CONTROL 0 1 READ/WRITE= TRACK 1 0 READ/WRITE= SECTOR 1 1 READ/WRITE= DATA Also, does anyone know what the STATUS/CONTROL flag values might be? As far as I can tell, STATUS Bit 0 Is Controller Ready for read/write, and Bit 1 is some sort of Error State. HELP! Brian Musker ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 90 15:02:50 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!brian@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Brian Musker) Subject: CCS S100 Boards Info? Message-ID: <11103@attcan.UUCP> Anyone out there familiar with any of the California Computer Systems S100 board family? I have a 4MHz Z80 CPU, 64K dRAM, and 5 1/4" / 8" floppy controller board, and, of course, no docs regarding jumpers, etc. I have gotten about as far as I can get with the ROM disassembly without schematics, and I can't make the box bootable. At one time or another, I have seen each of these pieces functioning in a WORKING SYSTEM, so I assume I am simply missing the combined significance of some of the jumpers on these boards... Does anyone have any docs on these boards or know where they might be found? Thanks in advance... Brian Musker ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 90 16:01:03 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Compression algorithms wanted Message-ID: <4616@balu.UUCP> Hello. josef@peun11.uucp (Moellers) is looking for crunching and squeezing algorithms. Well, I got 'em. When I programmed ARC 2.0 few months ago, I had to find out the algorithms used in the V1.0 pascal sources and the ARCSQ C sources. As a result, I guess that I know them a little bit now. You can contact me via e-mail or (voice-) phone directly: (0271) 312599. Tilmann Reh, D-5900 Siegen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 90 13:33:22 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: CompuCorp 775 Computer Yet another request to the Boston Computer Society for a boot disk for an orphan machine. This time it's a CompuCorp 775. For any help it might be, here is some information about the machine. It is a Series 700 machine, serial number 753251. The company was apparently in Los Angeles. It has a DIP switch on the back set for "HALF PG CRT ATRB". It has one port labeled "Omeganet" and a printer port labeled 22H. The computer will not boot from any disk (of the very few) that the new owner received from the old owner with the machine. By pressing control-C or control-D, he can get the display to show: Reset SCM7377 PE03 > If the command "DIR" is entered at the prompt, the display shows: FFF4 036D 04FC 10D4 0054 0102 101F 109E If anyone knows anything about this machine or can supply a boot disk for it, I would appreciate it if they would contact me (SAGE @ LL.LL.MIT.EDU). Thanks. -- Jay ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 90 21:41:27 GMT From: eagle!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mike J. Fuller) Subject: File transfers through console Message-ID: <1990Feb3.214127.21671@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> I was recently given a S-100 computer system running CP/M 2.2 and would very much like to put some useful software on it. I have a PC-XT clone and have downloaded a lot of CP/M software to it for transfer to my S-100. Unfortunately, my S-100 currently has only one working serial port (the console) and no 5 1/4" floppies. I can download ascii files to my S-100 by using my XT as the console and doing a "pip filename.ext=con:", escaping back to my XT, and using the "Transmit" (raw ascii upload) command in kermit, but only with files smaller than 8k because pip writes its buffer to disk after 8k. Even my hard disk can't write fast enough to keep it from losing characters. I can break ascii files into 8k chunks using an editor on my XT and put them back together using "pip" on my S-100, but this is no way to transfer lots of files. I really need a file transfer program that will work through the console. That is, I want to be able to use my XT as the console of my S-100, tell my S-100 to receive a file, escape back to my XT, and send it. Does anybody know of a file transfer program that will do this? /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Mike J. Fuller |Internet: mikef@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov |You'd be paranoid, | |----------------| mikef@zippysun.math.uakron.edu|too, if everyone | |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|Bitnet: r3mjf1@akronvm |was out to get you!| \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 90 00:33:38 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!csfst1@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Charles S. Fuller) Subject: JRT Pascal doc wanted Message-ID: <22090@unix.cis.pitt.edu> A few years ago, my Kaypro and all that went with it was caught in a flood. I've managed to salvage most of it, including a JRT Pascal version 3.0 compiler. The documentation, however, was another story. If anyone has the original loose-leaf docs and wouldn't mind sharing, I'd gladly pay any repro & mailing costs. General question for discussion: I seem to recall being invited to Chapter 11 proceedings shortly after receiving my copy of JRT Pascal. As I recall, JRT had a unique distribution policy that allowed free copies to be made of his work, including JRT Pascal, which only cost $39. Is JRT still in business? If so, does anyone have an address? Thanks in advance. Chuck Fuller ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 90 16:01:34 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Z280 Assembler wanted! Message-ID: <4617@balu.UUCP> Hello. I am strongly looking out for something that might be called 'real Z280 Assembler'. Does anyone out there have any program that assembles real Z280 mnemonics to object code in microsoft relocatible format. Might be slow, but must work with all Z280 opcodes without macro library, and must distinguish between code and data segments. I need it very hardly, so I would appreciate a soon answer. Tilmann Reh ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 90 15:18:57 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!nuchat!splut!jay@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard) Subject: Z80MU Message-ID: In article <839@qmet.UUCP> sc@qmet.UUCP (Steve Croft) writes: >In article <766@nixpbe.UUCP>, josef@peun11.uucp (Moellers) writes: >> As far as I know, Z80MU relies heavily on the similarities between >> MESSDOS and CP/M to simplify the whole system. >> You'll probably have to simulate MESSDOS or even CP/M to run Z80MU. >Yeah, I realized this after thinking about it for awhile. I'm sure >Z80MU passes alotta info to MSDOS directly. We already run it on our >386i by running it through a DOS process; I was hoping for a method to >get it directly on UNIX to help performance. The .DOC file for Z80MU310 (the last version, as far as I know) mentions that they started out by passing calls to DOS directly, but as they went along, there were subtle incompatibilities between CP/M semantics and DOS semantics tha they had to program around. The heart of Z80MU is an assembly-language Z80 simulator that depends on a unique mapping of Z-80 registers to 80x86 registers. You could probably port that module to your 386, bu forget it for other processors... -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can jay@splut.conmicro.com (eieio)| adequately be explained by stupidity. {attctc,bellcore}!texbell!splut!jay +---------------------------------------- Free the DC-10! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #18 ************************************ 7-Feb-90 07:20:23-MST,9862;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 90 07:15:05 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #19 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 7 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 19 Today's Topics: 1793 Disk Contr. Info? Compression algorithms wanted Editor for CP/M JRT Pascal doc wanted USQ on the IBM. Z280 Cross Assembler & C Compiler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Feb 90 05:36:22 GMT From: pilchuck!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@uunet.uu.net (William Swan) Subject: 1793 Disk Contr. Info? Message-ID: <454@flash.UUCP> In article <11104@attcan.UUCP> brian@attcan.UUCP (Brian Musker) writes: >I can't quite make sense out of some of the data being sent to or received >from the 1793 floppy controller. > >Can anyone confirm the significance of these ports? > RS1 RS0 PORT > ======================================== > 0 0 READ=STATUS, WRITE=CONTROL > 0 1 READ/WRITE= TRACK > 1 0 READ/WRITE= SECTOR > 1 1 READ/WRITE= DATA You got that correct. >Also, does anyone know what the STATUS/CONTROL flag values might be? The status depends upon the command given: Bit | Type I Commands | Rd Addr | Read Sect | Rd Trk | Wr Sec | Wr Trk 7 Not Rdy Not Rdy etc... 6 Wr Protect (WP) WP WP 5 Head Loaded Rec Type WrFault WrFault 4 Seek Err RecNotFNd RNF RNF 3 CRC err CRC Err CRC err CRC err 2 Trk 00 Lost data etc... 1 Index Data Req etc... 0 Busy etc... Control: Type Command 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 I Restore 0 0 0 0 h V r1r0 I Seek 0 0 0 1 h V r1r0 I Step 0 0 1 u h V r1r0 I Step In 0 1 0 u h V r1r0 I Step Out 0 1 1 u h V r1r0 II Rd Sector 1 0 0 m F2E F10 II Wr Sector 1 0 1 m F2 EF1a0 III Rd Address 1 1 0 0 0 E 0 0 III Rd Track 1 1 1 0 0 E 0 0 III Wr Track 1 1 1 1 0 E 0 0 IV Force Interrupt 1 1 0 1 I3I2I1I0 h: 1==load head @ beginning, else unload V: 1==verify @ destination track, else don't r1r0: step motor rate (another table = f(CLK,_DDEN, r1r0), 3ms - 416uS) u: 1==update track register m: 0==single record, 1==multiple records a0:1== FB (data addr mark), else F8(deleted addr mark) E: 1==15ms delay (2MHz), else no delay F2: 0==compare for side 0, else compare for side 1 F1: 0==disable side select compare, else enable IV Command: bit 0==1 Nready to ready transition 1 ready to nready... 2 index pulse 3 immediate interrupt all zero: terminate with no interrupt >As far as I can tell, STATUS Bit 0 Is Controller Ready for read/write, >and Bit 1 is some sort of Error State. hope this helps.... -- Bill Swan bill@Summation.WA.COM Send postal address for info: Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years: Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002. In now: 1 year, 0 months, 2 weeks, 3 days. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 90 08:40:36 GMT From: van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!ccu!shad04@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Fandrich) Subject: Compression algorithms wanted Message-ID: <1990Feb6.084036.18721@ccu.umanitoba.ca> In article <774@nixpbe.UUCP> josef@peun11.uucp (Moellers) writes: >I am writing a program to unpack .LBR archives on UNIX (perhaps pack later). >I have the structure of the archive (which is fairly simple). > >What I am looking for is a description of the compression algorithms >used when squeezing or crunching files (i.e. generating *.?Z? or *.?Q?) Don't forget *.?Y? ! This is the LZH compression algorithm which was ported to CP/M last September. The file -SOURCE.NOT contained in the CRLZH11.LBR library (the cruncher/uncruncher files) contains the sentence: "Most of the 'interesting' stuff is in the LZH encoding and decoding algorithms, anyway, which are released in .REL (and .SLR) format ONLY at this time." I wouldn't think the algorithm would be much (if at all) different from the LZH program available for some time for MS-DOS. Don't know if you can get specs for it, either. The author of the CRLZH routines for CP/M is R. Warren and he gives the number of The Elephant's Graveyard data line (619) 270-3148 where he can be reached. That might be another good place to ask questions about all the compression routines (I've never them myself, though). -- >>> Dan Fandrich Internet: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca Compu$erve: 72365,306 ------------------------------ Date: 5 Feb 90 22:00:03 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson) Subject: Editor for CP/M Message-ID: <1064@mindlink.UUCP> I'm looking for a modal in-memory editor to run on my Kaypro IV/84. I really like UNIX vi, but pretty much anything along those lines (I like neither WordStar commands nor arrow keys) would probably do. Can anyone out there help me? Also, does anyone have a current address for Barry Workman & Assoc.? I sent them a letter (to their 112 Marion Ave., Pasidina, CA address) inquiring about WRITE, but it was returned marked "Forewarding address expired." Thanks again for all your help. -CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 90 16:44:30 EST From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU Subject: JRT Pascal doc wanted Chuck Fuller asked: >> If anyone has the original loose-leaf docs and wouldn't mind sharing, >> I'd gladly pay any repro & mailing costs. I have not looked in a long time, but I am pretty sure that I have a copy of the JRT Pascal manual sitting in my archives in the basement. I know that I gave away one copy, but I think I had two. You can also get them in file form, probably from SIMTEL20. One other comment I would make is that I got very badly burned from bugs in JRT on a very important project. Turbo Pascal is far superior in my opinion, and it is available again at $60, complete with an improved looseleaf manual. If you are not all that serious about Pascal and are working on a tight budget, then JRT might be the way to go. Otherwise, I would recommend switching to Turbo. >> General question for discussion: I seem to recall being invited to >> Chapter 11 proceedings shortly after receiving my copy of JRT Pascal. JRT really did go out of business. Tyson tried again under the name Mystic Valley Pascal (I believe), but as far as I knew he never really delivered on that product. There were early versions, but they never worked well and never provided the features he claimed in his ads. Once I learned that JRT was behind Mystic, I stayed away from it. When the first ads appeared for Turbo Pascal at an absurdly low price, I was quite sceptical but decided to take a chance. I never regretted that decision, and have been very happy with Borland products (for the most part) ever since. Turbo Pascal was a top quality product at rock bottom price, and that is probably why Borland is what it is today (and, conversely, why JRT is what it is today). I believe that you will find both the code and the manuals for JRT in the archives on SIMTEL20. Years ago you would have found it on CP/M remote systems, but I doubt that any of us would waste the disk space on it today. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 90 07:33:47 GMT From: snorkelwacker!spdcc!merk!alliant!linus!nixbur!nixpbe!peun11!josef@think.com (Moellers) Subject: USQ on the IBM. Message-ID: <791@nixpbe.UUCP> jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (K.) writes: >OK, >I wonder can anyone help me.... >Is there an IBM PC version of the CP/M decompresser USQ.com (the one that >decompresses files of the sort *.?Q? >Or failing that, a version that will work on either a Northstar advantage >or an Osborne (both running CP/M 2.2) Ever nosed around on SIMTEL-20? They have at least a CP/M 2.2 compatible version on PD:USQ.COM (I guess) They'll probably have a version for MESSDOSS somewhere in the MSDOS archives! >Thanking you. Josef Moellers | c/o Nixdorf Computer AG USA: uunet!philabs!linus!nixbur!mollers.pad | Abt. DX-PC !USA: mcvax!unido!nixpbe!mollers.pad | Pontanusstr Phone: (+49) 5251 146245 | D-4790 Paderborn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 90 08:03:44 EST From: Roger Link Subject: Z280 Cross Assembler & C Compiler A company called Computer Design Solutions, Inc., has a full Z280 cross assembler that runs under MS-DOS. From what I understand it is a macro assembler, and produces relocatable code. I assume that it comes with its own linker, and can do Intel hex. They want $150 for the assembler The C compiler includes the above assembler. I don't have much info on this compiler. It is $500. Computer Design Solutions P.O. Box 127 Statesville, NC 2677 704-876-2346 Softaid, Inc has a ROM based MTBASIC for the Z280, a symbolic debugger ($200), and a Z280 IceAlyzer Emualtor ($7995). They are located in Maryland. Softaid, Inc. 8390 Route 108 Columbia, MD 21045 800-433-8812 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #19 ************************************ 8-Feb-90 22:18:39-MST,10211;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 90 22:15:15 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #20 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 8 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: Any Morrow (s100) owners out there? Back in the CP/M world Footnotes... JRT Pascal doc wanted MP/M disk editor Need working movcpm for 820-I P & T CP/M for TRS80-II?? Sale VT100 emulators? (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Feb 90 16:03:25 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!nuchat!shell!svh@ucsd.edu Subject: Any Morrow (s100) owners out there? Message-ID: <1529@shell.shell.com> I've just bought a Morrow S-100 Z80 computer with a 16M hard drive and 5.25" floppy. This beast has a "Wunderbuss" that has a real time clock, and several serial channels out. There are some things that I'm looking for: Since I can read hard/soft sector disks, I think there should be or must have been a utility to read NorthStar disks on this machine. (I think it's an MD-1, but I'm not sure). Any body have something like this? Has anyone installed DateStamper for this machine? I also have a 256K RAM card that was intended for use with Micronix - a Z80 UNIX. I'd like to check out CP/M 3.0. Has anyone ported to this machine? Alternatively, does anyone have a RAMDISK driver for the expansion memory? Finally, has anyone upped the hard drive to a workable size? (Like 40 Megs or so)? Thanks. Steven V. Hovater Shell Development Company (713) 663-2711 (work) (713) 550-7802 (home) svh%shell.uucp@sun.com or svh%shell.uucp@rice.edu ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 90 00:10:50 GMT From: snorkelwacker!usc!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!jarthur!jarthur.claremont.edu!rmckaugh@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (Rob McKaughan) Subject: Back in the CP/M world Message-ID: <4264@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> I've just dusted off my old Kaypro 2X. I was running ZCPR version 2 last time I used it and would like to get the latest ZCPR running. I've got everything in the simtel directory, but I still have a few questions: 1. What is arunz? All the docs I have just tell me about changes from previous versions. 2. Is Echelon, Inc. still around? 3. Where can I find a copy of the ZCPR book? Any other hints would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 90 01:58 EST From: "That's okay, tho'" Subject: Footnotes... Hi! I am desperately looking for a text formatter or editor, whatever, that is capable of producing footnotes. I know there was a discussion on this quite a while ago, but I kind of missed it. By footnotes, I mean the kind that comes on the bottom of the page, and NOT endnotes, which come at the end of the document or to another file. This distinction is VERY important for us social science types, and I actually need both for my thesis. I hate having to transfer everything to PC's and reformatting the documents. Now, a promise: TETRIS (a trademark of some sort, but not sure whose or if it is officially registered) for CP/M (Z) - 80 is ready for release! I just need to add a routine that will make it completely compatible with QTERM patches (by David Goodenough) and make sure that there is no bugs. If interested, drop me a line, along with your terminal types (I just need to know clear screan sequence and cursor positioning. Televideo TVI 910-920 types need not worry. ANSI type terminals might take a while). I will send you a copy (unless this is against net rules - I think owners of semi-extinct devices need this much privilege, tho'.). Thanx! -John Shin (JSHIN@HampVMS.bitnet) ------------------------------ Date: 6 Feb 90 05:20:59 GMT From: mailrus!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Roger Ivie) Subject: JRT Pascal doc wanted Message-ID: <17899@cc.usu.edu> In article <22090@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, csfst1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Charles S. Fuller) writes: > General question for discussion: I seem to recall being invited to > Chapter 11 proceedings shortly after receiving my copy of JRT Pascal. > As I recall, JRT had a unique distribution policy that allowed free > copies to be made of his work, including JRT Pascal, which only cost > $39. Is JRT still in business? If so, does anyone have an address? They've recently started advertising again in various PC rags, although which ones escape me at the moment. When I saw the ad I had this vague feeling of Deja Vu. I pulled out an antique MicroSystems, and sure enough it's the SAME AD!! They only changed a few words (inserted C in place of PL/M, for instance). =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 90 04:36:28 GMT From: portal!portal!cup.portal.com!compata@apple.com (David H Close) Subject: MP/M disk editor Message-ID: <26749@cup.portal.com> Can anyone point me to a disk editor which works under MP/M? I have several which work fine under CP/M but fail on MP/M. I suspect the problem is that the actual disk buffers are in a different memory segment. What I need is to be able to patch the contents of the directory sectors on the hard disk. Please email or post (or phone, etc.), your choice. If I can't find a disk editor, it appears the only choice will be to restore a backup tape and thus lose valuable data. Dave Close, Compata, Arlington, Texas compata@cup.portal.com 817/277-6767 Easylink 6295-5830 ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 90 21:25:05 GMT From: nuchat!shell!svh@uunet.uu.net Subject: Need working movcpm for 820-I Message-ID: <1534@shell.shell.com> I have recently gotten together an 820-I with 8" drives, and would like to do some stuff that would require me to MOVCPM down a couple'o K. The problem is, that the version I have will generate "Synchronization error" every time. Would some kind soul UUENCODE and email to me a working MOVCPM for an 820-I with 8" drives? Thanks. Steven V. Hovater Shell Development Company (713) 663-2711 (work) (713) 550-7802 (home) svh%shell.uucp@sun.com or svh%shell.uucp@rice.edu or svh@shell.uucp or ...!{sun,bcm,rice,psuvax1,decwrl,cs.utexas.edu}!shell!svh ------------------------------ Date: 7 Feb 90 15:54:56 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!nuchat!shell!svh@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: P & T CP/M for TRS80-II?? Message-ID: <1528@shell.shell.com> I've just inherited an old TRS80-II, and am looking for Pickles and Trout CP/M for it. This beast has 8" floppies, and unless I can get a decent OS for it then it's parts (unless someone wants to make an offer....) Steven V. Hovater Shell Development Company (713) 663-2711 (work) (713) 550-7802 (home) svh%shell.uucp@sun.com or svh@shell.uucp or ...!{sun,bcm,rice,psuvax1,decwrl,cs.utexas.edu}!shell!svh Steven V. Hovater Shell Development Company (713) 663-2711 (work) (713) 550-7802 (home) svh%shell.uucp@sun.com or svh%shell.uucp@rice.edu ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 90 03:37:28 GMT From: portal!portal!cup.portal.com!compata@apple.com (David H Close) Subject: Sale Message-ID: <26744@cup.portal.com> A friend has a used Altos 8000-14 available for sale. Asking $100 plus shipping, if necessary. Also several Hazeltine terminals. Make an offer. The 8000-14 is a 4-user MP/M box with a Z80 processor, 1 64-K RAM bank, 3 48-K RAM banks, 6 serial ports (2 for printers), 40 MB 8-inch hard disk, 8-inch floppy. Comes complete with licensed MP/M. If interested in taking this boat anchor off his hands, please call him directly: Darryll Sperber 122 N Euclid Av Ontario CA 91761 714 / 986-7046 ------------------------------ Date: 7 Feb 90 11:55:45 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (A Magic minstrel.) Subject: VT100 emulators? Message-ID: <5623@vax1.tcd.ie> OK, I'm wondering if, there's a VT100 emulator for CP/M (preferably to work on either the Osborne 1 or the Northstar Advantage) Oh, and thanks everyone for the help on USQ for the IBM. Thanks y'all. The statement below this is false. The statement above this is true. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 90 18:08:38 GMT From: dd26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas F. DeJulio) Subject: VT100 emulators? Message-ID: jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (A Magic minstrel.) writes: > I'm wondering if, there's a VT100 emulator for CP/M > (preferably to work on either the Osborne 1 or the Northstar Advantage) I'm interested in this exact same thing. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Feb 90 20:07:29 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson) Subject: VT100 emulators? Message-ID: <1082@mindlink.UUCP> I have a VT100 emulator for the Kaypro (it converts VT100 codes into adm-3a codes), if that will help at all. It shouldn't be too hard to rewrite it for other terminals, and I think I may have the source around somewhere. Please EMAIL me if you are interested. -CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP ) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #20 ************************************ 10-Feb-90 21:43:51-MST,8717;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 10-Feb-90 21:39:08 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 90 21:39:07 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #21 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 10 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: binary/source postings (2 msgs) Editor for CP/M FTP Resources & Scrabble etc Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware networking? VT100 emulators? VT180 "Robin" help needed on hard disk possibilities... Z80 Assembler? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Feb 90 08:54:03 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!anasaz!chad@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Chad R. Larson) Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: <1282@anasaz.UUCP> A couple of years ago, I posted to this group the source to a utility I wrote. I was beaten up rather roughly for having done so. My recollection is that this group was gatewayed onto the Internet somehow and that someone there had a restriction on source and/or binaries floating by. They threatened (or were required, I forget) to break the gateway rather than allow programs to transit their systems. Is this still so? Are binaries or source postings discouraged (or worse, punished)? Is this group constrained to be discussions of old systems and mutual help in supporting them? Please let me know. I've got a couple of other (semi)nifty programs I have written that I'm willing to place in the public domain. They are CP/M specific, so I can see no reason to clutter up some other source newsgroup with them, but I'd post them here. If that is not a good idea (for political or other reasons beyond our control), I'd like to start the formal voting procedure to establish a group for source and/or binaries postings that are for CP/M and MP/M systems. We, like the MS-DOS people, have the luxury of binary compatability across most of our systems. I'll bet there is a ton of useful goodies we have all written that we should be able to share. How 'bout it? I'll show you mine, if you'll show me yours.... -crl -- Chad R. Larson ...{mcdphx,asuvax}!anasaz!chad or chad@anasaz.UUCP Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 (602) 870-3330 "I read the news today, oh boy!" -- John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1990 21:37 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: Chad, binary/source postings are inappropriate for any discussion group, but especially for those gatewayed to mailing lists on the Internet side. The comp.os.cpm newsgroup is gatewayed to the Info-Cpm mailing list. Many mailing list subscribers have disk quotas and some are charged for disk storage. There is an excellent public domain archive at SIMTEL20 which is accessable by all readers of this newsgroup. The problem is that for the past two years there has only been ONE reader who has sent a program contribution to the archives. I can't do it all myself. If you have public domain CP/M programs you want to share with others, please send a message to me asking for upload instructions. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, & MISC archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.arpa BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1 Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 90 02:59:40 GMT From: hub!crmeyer@ucsd.edu Subject: Editor for CP/M Message-ID: <3909@hub.UUCP> -Message-Text-Follows- In article <1064@mindlink.UUCP>, a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes... >I'm looking for a modal in-memory editor to run on my Kaypro IV/84. I really >like UNIX vi, but pretty much anything along those lines (I like neither >WordStar commands nor arrow keys) would probably do. Can anyone out there help >me? When I owned a Kaypro II computer I purchased the Express full screen editor from TCI. If memory serves is allowed you to redefine about everything. It was a nice editor and very reasonably priced. Does anyone know the adress or phone number of TCI? ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 90 10:53:15 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!aiajms@uunet.uu.net (Bellerophon) Subject: FTP Resources & Scrabble etc Message-ID: <2169@castle.ed.ac.uk> Hi yer all, I have a project at University to build a scrabble machine. We have been placed under various restrictions and so we eventually decided to base the machine round the Z80. Thus for development we are hoping to use CPM (although no-one knows much about it. I used it at school briefly!). Now for this, we need development tools and since our construction budget is only 300 (pounds) I would be grateful if anyone could recommend good development tools, where to get them and how much they cost. I would also like to know of any FTP servers containing CP/M stuff. I am aware of simtel but are there any others? Please mail me back personally. Thanx -=Andy=- ps Any hints about scrabble algorithms would also be appreciated. Especially morphological dictionary representations and search space algorithms. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 90 18:16:01 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson) Subject: Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware Message-ID: <1096@mindlink.UUCP> On my Kaypro 4 (1984 vintage) I have a long header (connecter) that is much like the floppy drive header (for a ribbon cable), but right above it. Does anyone have any idea what this is for? Thanks. -CJS ------------------------------ Date: 10 Feb 90 14:54:45 GMT From: dd26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas F. DeJulio) Subject: networking? Message-ID: Has anyone put a CPM machine on ethernet? ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 90 06:24:06 GMT From: csusac!mmsac!jim@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Jim Lips Earl) Subject: VT100 emulators? Message-ID: <4520@mmsac.UUCP> Yes, I use QTERM by David Goodenough for my VT100 emulation. It also includes xmodem and KERMIT for file transfers. I'll try to dig his address out for you. Ok, here is his address from me. I don't know what it would be from you. pacbell!ames!think!xait!lakart!dg -- Jim "Lips" Earl UUCP: ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac!mmsac!jim KB6KCP INTERNET: mmsac!jim@csusac.csus.edu ======================================================================= The opinions stated herein are all mine. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 90 14:09 EST From: Brainwave Surfer Subject: VT180 "Robin" help needed on hard disk possibilities... Dear Netlanders... I've been trying to figure out how to jam a hard disk onto my VT180 "Robin". Have anyone out "there" any idea how to do that? Even a 5 meg drive would be very nice! Ps, the OS is CP/M V2.2 Virtually, Jim Agnew. /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew AGNEW@VCURUBY.BITNET, / > || Neurosurgery, AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU This tape will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, Va five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 90 10:40:35 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jmgg0569@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Z80 Assembler? Message-ID: <115100002@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> I'm looking for an assembler for CP/M 2.2 that uses Zilog's Z80 mnemonics and that has the basic pseudo op-codes found in ASM. I would prefer something that generates a .HEX file instead of some other object code. If it generates some other object code, I would need the appropriate link loader too. Lastly, being a hobbiest, I would like something that is either public domain or inexpensive. Any information can either be posted or e-mailed to me at j-gering@uiuc.edu. Thanks Joe Gering ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #21 ************************************ 12-Feb-90 05:24:05-MST,10527;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 90 05:16:38 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #22 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 12 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 22 Today's Topics: binary/source postings Editor for CP/M MOVCPM has copy protection (2 msgs) networking? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Feb 90 22:31:16 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!anasaz!chad@ucsd.edu (Chad R. Larson) Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: <1289@anasaz.UUCP> In article w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) writes: +--------------- | Chad, binary/source postings are inappropriate for any discussion | group, but especially for those gatewayed to mailing lists on the | Internet side. +--------------- I guess, in my imprecise way, that was what I was asking...Is this newsgroup an appropriate forum for source and/or binary postings? What makes this a "discussion group"? +--------------- | There is an excellent public domain archive at SIMTEL20 which is | accessable by all readers of this newsgroup. +--------------- I'm sure it is very easy to get some things off SIMTEL20 if you are an Internet participant and can use FTP. I'm not. I have tried to use the gateway server at North Dakota(?) on three or four occasions, following the proceedures posted and never gotten anything back (not even a "F.O." message). I gave it up as unworkable, due to whatever reason (broken mailers, bad paths, terminal stupidity on my part). Anyway, having to pull indexes (if you ever figure out how), examine the one line descriptions to try to guess if you might want the , then pulling to examine it in its fullness just isn't quite the same as reading the news, scanning the posted source as it sails by your face and typing "s" to rn when you see something you like/want/need (like I can do in all the other sources newsgroups). [An aside to Keith--let's make e-mail contact. Maybe you can teach me how to work the gateway.] So, I'll renew my query. Are source and/or binary postings a no no in this group (beginning to sound like it)? If so, I'll start the formal discussion and voting procedure to establish a group exclusively for program postings. This group can serve as the discussion group for the postings in addition to its current charter and Keith will have another place to glom programs for his archive. If the formal vote fails for lack of interest, I'll pipe down. +--------------- | Keith +--------------- -crl -- Chad R. Larson ...{mcdphx,asuvax}!anasaz!chad or chad@anasaz.UUCP Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 (602) 870-3330 "I read the news today, oh boy!" -- John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 90 21:16:12 GMT From: randy@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randall W Winchester) Subject: Editor for CP/M Message-ID: <1990Feb11.211612.23151@athena.mit.edu> In article <3909@hub.UUCP> crmeyer@voodoo.ucsb.edu writes: >When I owned a Kaypro II computer I purchased the Express full screen editor >from TCI. If memory serves is allowed you to redefine about everything. It >was a nice editor and very reasonably priced. Does anyone know the adress >or phone number of TCI? I downloaded EXPRESS v1.0 from Simtel20 a couple of years ago. This is the "demo" version of EXPRESS. TCI's address is listed in the documentation as 17733 205th Ave. NE, Woodinville, WA 98072. I wrote to them to find out if EXPRESS v2.0 was still available, but my postcard was returned by the post office with no forwarding address. As it stands, EXPRESS v1.0 is a decent editor and it's free. I was able to configure it to make it resemble Emacs. I was impressed enough to want to buy v2.0. If anyone knows where I can buy a copy of v2.0, please let me know. ******************************************************************************* * Randy Winchester * randy@athena.mit.edu * PO Box 1074, Cambridge, MA 02142 * ******************************************************************************* * "It looks ok on the screen, but everything comes out in lower case on the * * printer. Hold? Uh, sure . . ." - ee cummings's last customer service call * ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 90 04:50:27 GMT From: titanic.cs.wisc.edu!tonyrich@speedy.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) Subject: MOVCPM has copy protection Message-ID: <9719@spool.cs.wisc.edu> In article <1534@shell.shell.com> svh@shell () writes: >I have recently gotten together an 820-I with 8" drives, and would like to >do some stuff that would require me to MOVCPM down a couple'o K. The >problem is, that the version I have will generate "Synchronization error" >every time. I ran into the "Synchronization error" message recently, too. According to the book "Inside CP/M" by David E. Cortesi, MOVCPM has a kind of copy protection built into it. When it starts up, it does some checking to see whether the copy of CP/M you're trying to generate with MOVCPM matches the copy of CP/M you're currently running. If not, it displays the message "Synchronization error" and quits. (I'm not sure what it actually tries to match. I think it does some kind of checksum.) As a result, you can't run MOVCPM to generate a new copy of your CP/M while running someone else's copy of CP/M. I wanted to do exactly that for a legitimate reason. My CP/M disk won't boot because I replaced my broken 8" DSDD drive with a different manufacturer's that had different seek characteristics, so I needed to generate a newly configured version of CP/M to handle the new drive. Of course, to do that, I have to already be booted up on the new drive and running with SOMETHING, so to get me started, a net person graciously sent me a bootable CP/M disk that allows me to boot and read 8" SSSD diskettes on my new drive. But I can't use it to generate a properly configured version of MY OWN, PAID-FOR, LICENSED COPY of CP/M because of that $*!!#@@! "copy protection" in MOVCPM! Grrr! If anyone has or can invent a workaround for the "Synchro error" copy protection, I'd appreciate being informed so I can get my CP/M reconfigured and booting happily again on my new drive. Apparently the copy protection is smart enough that you can't simply step over it using DEBUG. Tony -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email: tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu Phone: 608-271-8450 Disclaimer: The opinions above are mine. Others may agree or disagree. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 90 22:02:59 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!anasaz!chad@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Chad R. Larson) Subject: MOVCPM has copy protection Message-ID: <1288@anasaz.UUCP> In article <9719@spool.cs.wisc.edu> tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) writes: +--------------- | If anyone has or can invent a workaround for the "Synchro error" copy | protection, I'd appreciate being informed so I can get my CP/M reconfigured | and booting happily again on my new drive. Apparently the copy protection | is smart enough that you can't simply step over it using DEBUG. +--------------- Ok, as much as I dislike postings that say "I think this is it" instead of "I know this is it"; I figured all this out a long time ago, and here is what I remember: The copy protection consists of checking the serial numbers of the CCP and/or the current running CP/M and the BDOS image contained in the MOVCPM program. You CAN use "debug" (you meant DDT or SID, right?) to make the serial numbers match. The serial number in the CCP must match the one in the BDOS also, or your CP/M won't boot. It will move the instruction pair DI, HALT to the beginning of the warm start code and jump to it. The serial number is the first 6 bytes in the BDOS (that is why your BDOS address is always something like E406 instead of E400). It is also contained in the CCP at about 0328H offset (if I remember correctly). In the MOVCPM code is a relocatable image of your CP/M, and a table of the offsets to the bytes that will have to be relocated to make a runnable image where you want it. The image is assembled to run at (??? -- for a 20K?? memory) and when you specify a different size memory the new high-order nybble of the addresses are plugged where indicated by the offsets. This is very much like what Digital Research wound up calling "Page Relocatable" (PRL) code in MP/M and CP/M 3.x systems. If you have documentation to either of them it could be helpful. Anyway, a little dissassembly and single-stepping of MOVCPM with DDT will show you where the "syncronization error" message is issued. Use DDT to make all the serial numbers match up (preferably to yours) and you should be OK. -crl -- Chad R. Larson ...{mcdphx,asuvax}!anasaz!chad or chad@anasaz.UUCP Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020 (602) 870-3330 "I read the news today, oh boy!" -- John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 90 08:46:04 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: networking? Message-ID: <2535@sactoh0.UUCP> In article , dd26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas F. DeJulio) writes: > Has anyone put a CPM machine on ethernet? No, but I have one one UUCP so I can get a mail feed. Been using it since December on my S-100 box and it works beautifully. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP:(1) My CP/M machine. |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | (2) My host. |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA |(1) !pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660|(2) !pacbell!sactoh0!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #22 ************************************ 12-Feb-90 19:23:39-MST,9553;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 90 19:15:08 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #23 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 12 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 23 Today's Topics: binary/source postings (3 msgs) Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Feb 90 20:39:13 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!copper!michaelk@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Michael D. Kersenbrock) Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: <1786@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> Actually I did the same thing a few years ago. Keith then gave the secrets for usenet access to simtel. I had deposited quite a few pieces of S/W to the Simtel CP/M archive, but at one point the programs I mailed Keith were bouncing, and I could no longer get them deposited. However, since then, I've been IBM pc-klone'd, and married. So, I'm not so interested in CP/M anymore, and I've less time to generate software. I still have my CP/M system however (albeit with only 256K of it's former 1-Meg left -- the PC has the DRAM chips now), and can transfer files to my PC. I could still rummage around some weekend and find a pile of never-distributed programs (some pretty neat and useful, and some like my Unix compatible 16-bit uncompress were neat, but not useful) that I generated, but I'm not sure if my mail connection to Keith has been "fixed" -- and I have no convenient way to distribute them otherwise. Nor, am I entirely sure I remember which were deposited and which weren't. :-) Alas.... P.S. - It takes no time at all to go from knocking your head on the 64K limit to knocking your head on the ~640K "limit". Sigh. -- Mike Kersenbrock Tektronix Microprocessor Development Products michaelk@copper.WR.TEK.COM Aloha, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 90 00:13:59 GMT From: budden@nosc.mil (Rex A. Buddenberg) Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: <1881@nosc.NOSC.MIL> Chad, Keith is exactly right in his description of the way things run. He has also done yeoman work over several years to post summaries of the Simtel20 CPM listings to this newsgroup for those of us who are interested in current submissions. Additionally, Kieth maintains a private BBS where he also has most things posted -- I'll let him explain how that works, only mention it here because that's a way to get the software if Simtel20 won't work for you. If you are hanging so far off the internet that you can't FTP, then your solution is not to corrupt the system but to fix your connection. Rex Buddenberg ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 90 19:44:28 GMT From: amdahl!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: <2540@sactoh0.UUCP> In article <1289@anasaz.UUCP>, chad@anasaz.UUCP (Chad R. Larson) writes: > > I'm sure it is very easy to get some things off SIMTEL20 if you are an > Internet participant and can use FTP. I'm not. I have tried to use the > gateway server at North Dakota(?) on three or four occasions, following > the proceedures posted and never gotten anything back (not even a "F.O." > message). I gave it up as unworkable, due to whatever reason (broken > mailers, bad paths, terminal stupidity on my part). I'm not an Internet participant either, but I have the facilities to get those files from SIMTEL20. I have a couple of shell script files that I use here, and at one point, I posted them for those who wanted them. I'll post it again, plus I'll mail you a copy. Keith: You might want to keep a copy of this just in case... #-------- BEGIN ----------------- # 'file' is location of a temporary file file=/usr/tmp/simreq # 'me' is my mail address me=ames!pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj # 'listserv' is address of list server listserv=ames!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv # print help if they goofed if (test "$#" -ne "3") then echo "USAGE: getsimtel " echo echo "EXAMPLE: getsimtel pd1 msdos.filedocs simibm.arc" exit fi echo "Processing SIMTEL request . . . . please wait a minute." echo echo "/PDGET MAIL $1:<$2>$3 ( UUENCODE" > $file # mail our request, 'fastmail' from ELM product fastmail -r $me -F $me -s Request $file $listserv echo "getsimtel done" echo echo "SIMTEL request sent. Please wait a day or so for receipt." rm $file #--------- END -------------------------- That's for the North Dakota ListServer. Here's the other one I use. #-------- BEGIN ----------------- # 'file' is location of a temporary file file=/usr/tmp/simreq # 'me' is my mail address me=ames!pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj # 'listserv' is address of list server listserv=ames!vm.ecs.rpi.edu!listserv # print help if they goofed if (test "$#" -ne "3") then echo "USAGE: getsimtel " echo echo "EXAMPLE: getsimtel pd1 msdos.filedocs simibm.arc" exit fi echo "Processing SIMTEL request . . . . please wait a minute." echo echo "/PDGET MAIL $1:<$2>$3 ( UUENCODE" > $file # mail our request, 'fastmail' from ELM product fastmail -r $me -F $me -s Request $file $listserv echo "getsimtel done" echo echo "SIMTEL request sent. Please wait a day or so for receipt." rm $file #--------- END -------------------------- OK, that ought to help. As far as getting listings of files, you might want to look at the fastmail line, and if you have one of those helpfiles that Keith posted, that will show you syntax of the /PDDIR command. I'm trying to work on a shell script to do the job for me, but I've got to learn a few more things about the Bourne shell. Enjoy! -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP:(1) My CP/M machine. |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | (2) My host. |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA |(1) !pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660|(2) !pacbell!sactoh0!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 90 13:55:57 GMT From: ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@ee.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware Message-ID: <19697@ea.ecn.purdue.edu> In article <1096@mindlink.UUCP> a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes: >On my Kaypro 4 (1984 vintage) I have a long header (connecter) that is much >like the floppy drive header (for a ribbon cable), but right above it. Does >anyone have any idea what this is for? Thanks. > -CJS It's for the SASI interface for the Kaypro 10's. The 10's used the same motherboard. There should be numerous empty spots on you motherboard near the SASI connector -- those are for the logic to implement SASI. It is possible to add these chips (soldering iron time) and then add a hard drive, but you'll still need a Western Digital WD-1001-HDO or WD-1001-005 controller to plug onto the SASI port. Oh yeah, you'll also need something called the "small circuit board", which plugs between the SASI port and the WD board. There is a company that advertises in Micro-Cornucopia that sells kits to add the SASI port, the small circuit board, and even the WD controller. This would probably cost in the neighborhood of $225. I can't remember the name of the company, but their the same people who sell the KayPlus ROM and they also sell QP/M from MicroCode Consulting. A cheaper way to add a hard drive would be to get one from Advanced Engineering Concepts. They even have a special version of the Advent TurboROM that supports their disk controller (allows larger drives and you can boot off the hard drive). -- Jeff Wieland wieland@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 90 16:32:42 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware Message-ID: <1461@crash.cts.com> In article <1096@mindlink.UUCP> a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes: >On my Kaypro 4 (1984 vintage) I have a long header (connecter) that is much >like the floppy drive header (for a ribbon cable), but right above it. Does >anyone have any idea what this is for? Thanks. > -CJS It's the connector for the host adapter board. This board is a simple little gadget that has nothing more than an LS138 and a couple of resistors on it, plus two connectors. One goes to the motherboard connector, the other goes to the W{_estern Digital HD controller. Before you get all excited, you must also have the 81-302 BIOS ROM in you 4-84 before you can add the HD. You also have to have the controller. The host adapter is available here in San Diego for $15 from a company called ERAC. You can find their address/phone # in Nuts and Volts. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #23 ************************************ 13-Feb-90 18:38:35-MST,10722;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 13-Feb-90 18:33:19 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 90 18:33:19 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #24 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 13 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: binary/source postings de-compression help (2 msgs) Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware MOVCPM has copy protection ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1990 10:06 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: Chad, please don't encourage people to post binaries or I'll have to request that the Usenet<->Internet gateway be turned off for comp.os.cpm<->Info-Cpm. I am the Info-Cpm mailing list maintainer and I am the one who gets all the complaints from Internet users when their disk qoutas are exceeded or they have to pay extra fees for large files they don't want to receive. This does not work like Usenet where the news goes into the spool directory and is not counted against anyone's quota. What makes a "discussion group"? The Usenet guidelines say any newsgroup should be treated as a discussion group unless it has "binaries" or "sources" as a part of its group name. The same guidelines state that it's a no-no to post binaries or sources to groups other than those so designated. We have a tremendous resource in the SIMTEL20 archives. Rather than trying to start a binary newsgroup, I hope you will try to find out how to use the file server and help other non-Internet users to do the same. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, & MISC archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.arpa BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1 Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 90 7:59:24 EST From: "'Alex Bodnar Jr - abodnar@apg-emh5.army.mil'" Subject: de-compression help Message-ID: <9002130759.aa03231@BRL-VGR.APG-EMH5.APG.ARMY.MIL> In article <774@nixpbe.UUCP> josef@peun11.uucp (Moellers) writes: >I am writing a program to unpack .LBR archives on UNIX (perhaps pack later). >I have the structure of the archive (which is fairly simple). > >What I am looking for is a description of the compression algorithms >used when squeezing or crunching files (i.e. generating *.?Z? or *.?Q?) >>Don't forget *.?Y? ! This is the LZH compression algorithm which was ported >>to CP/M last September. The file -SOURCE.NOT contained in the CRLZH11.LBR >>library (the cruncher/uncruncher files) contains the sentence: >> >> "Most of the 'interesting' stuff is in the LZH encoding and decoding >> algorithms, anyway, which are released in .REL (and .SLR) format >> ONLY at this time." >> i downloaded the CRLZH11.LBR again to make sure about the REL and to my surprise .... i used nulu lu and ldir to check it and there are no rel files inside this library just one *.RYL file. so how is one supposed to be able to uncompress ?????? Thank-You in advance...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1990 11:48 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: de-compression help Message-ID: Alex Bodnar Jr writes: > i downloaded the CRLZH11.LBR again to make sure about the REL and to > my surprise .... i used nulu lu and ldir to check it and there are no > rel files inside this library just one *.RYL file. so how is one > supposed to be able to uncompress ?????? Thank-You in advance...... The LBR has everything you need. Directory for: CRLZH11.LBR Name Length ============ ======== -READ .1ST 896 -SOURCE .NYT 2560 COMMON .LYB 26496 CRLZH .RYL 2816 CRLZH .SYR 2304 CRLZH11 .CYM 5760 CRLZH11 .FOR 512 CRLZH11 .ZY0 10752 FILE .LYT 1792 LZH-OVL .AYM 2816 LZHREL .DYC 6144 NOTES11 .DYC 6144 PARSEFCB.REL 512 PARSEFCB.SYR 512 PATCH11 .DYC 4608 RELEASE .NYT 2688 UCRLZH11.COM 8448 <-- the executable, run this to uncompress others UCRLZH11.ZY0 19200 UNCR1 .RYL 896 UNCR1 .SYR 768 UNLZH .RYL 1920 UNLZH .SYR 1664 USAGE11 .DYC 3456 USQREL .RYL 512 USQREL .SYR 512 ============ ======== total 25 114688 Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, & MISC archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.arpa BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1 Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 90 17:47:52 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware Message-ID: <1481@crash.cts.com> In article <19697@ea.ecn.purdue.edu> wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes: >In article <1096@mindlink.UUCP> a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes: >>On my Kaypro 4 (1984 vintage) I have a long header (connecter) that is much >>like the floppy drive header (for a ribbon cable), but right above it. Does >>anyone have any idea what this is for? Thanks. >> -CJS > >It's for the SASI interface for the Kaypro 10's. The 10's used the same >motherboard. There should be numerous empty spots on you motherboard >near the SASI connector -- those are for the logic to implement SASI. No, no, NO! There has NEVER been a Kaypro that speaks SASI! > All that conector is is a parallel port ( no, it doesn't go through the PIO ). Actually, it's more or less just an extension of the Z80. Kaypro made two motherboards that support the hard drive interface. These were the 81-180 board ( the Kaypro-10 board ), and the 81-185 board ( the 2/84-4/84-2X-Robie board ). The 81-185 board has several different part numbers, depending on which machin it was installed in, whether or not it had the real-time clock installed, the modem installed, etc. The 81-185 board is also where the dreaded Universal ROM made it's appearance. Not to worry, the same board can also run the nornal 81-302 ROM. From part # 1484-F, Kaypro Technical Manual, September 1985: Model Name CP/M version Mainboard ROM revision 2/84 2.2g 81-294 81-292A 4/84 2.2g 81-184/85 81-292A 4/84+88 2.2g 81-184/85 81-292A 2X 2.2g 81-294 81-292A 2.2h 4X 2.2g 81-297 81-326E 2.2h Robie 2.2g 81-296 81-478A 2.2h 10 2.2g 81-180 81-302C 2.2h 2X/modem/RTC 2.2u1 81-580 81-478A 10/modem/RTC 2.2u1 81-582 81-478A New 2 2.2u1 81-294 81-478A 1 2.2u1 81-294 81-478A The table is actually somewhat inaccurate. The K10 will run ANY version of Kaypro CP/M ( except for u1 ), as long as you MOVCPM a 60k system. The 81-478A ROM is the dreaded Universal ROM. The 81-184/185/294/295/296/580/582 motherboards are all the SAME motherboard, and they all support the HD. The best of these to have is the 81-184/185, because it also includes the RTC and the modem. This motherboard is also known as the Universal Motherboard. This is the board that is/was in my K4/84, which is now a K10/84. No soldering required. Just cables. You also need the 81-302 ROM, and the host board, and a WD1002-HD0 ( NOT the 1001 ). If you do have a WD1001, you have to re-assemble the ROM. Any more questions? With Kaypro just up the coast from me, it's easy to get SOME questions answered. Unfortunately, they have NO ONE from the old days left ( that we could find ). -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 90 23:59:59 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!uhnix1!sugar!splut!jay@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jay "you ignorant splut!" Maynard) Subject: MOVCPM has copy protection Message-ID: In article <9719@spool.cs.wisc.edu> tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) writes: >According to the book "Inside CP/M" by David E. Cortesi, MOVCPM has a kind >of copy protection built into it. When it starts up, it does some >checking to see whether the copy of CP/M you're trying to generate with >MOVCPM matches the copy of CP/M you're currently running. If not, it >displays the message "Synchronization error" and quits. (I'm not sure >what it actually tries to match. I think it does some kind of checksum.) >As a result, you can't run MOVCPM to generate a new copy of your CP/M >while running someone else's copy of CP/M. This is not intended as copy protection; it's intended to prevent MOVCPM from building a garbage CP/M image. MOVCPM uses a bitmap to determine which bytes to relocate when moving the CP/M image. This includes the BIOS area as well as the BDOS and CCP. The original intent was that you'd MOVCPM 54 (or whatever...it's been a looo-o-o---oong time :-), then SYSGEN the resulting image, and then boot. Each licensed CP/M distributor had utilities that built the MOVCPM program from his customized image. For those of us who had to install our own BIOSes, you had to MOVCPM, then load the BIOS on top of that, then SYSGEN and boot. The "Synchronization error" message is produced when the resulting image, because of a difference between the systems, would have the wrong bytes relocated, and therefore would be garbaged. Nobody had even *thought* of copy protection when MOVCPM was developed... -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can jay@splut.conmicro.com (eieio)| adequately be explained by stupidity. {attctc,bellcore}!texbell!splut!jay +---------------------------------------- Free the DC-10! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #24 ************************************ 14-Feb-90 01:05:26-MST,8324;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 14-Feb-90 01:01:53 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 90 01:01:52 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #25 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 14 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 25 Today's Topics: Accessing NDSUVM1 from UUCP binary/source postings Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters MOVCPM's "copy protection" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1990 00:58 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Accessing NDSUVM1 from UUCP Message-ID: This is in response to David Goodenough's complaint that the SIMTEL20 archives are not accessable from UUCP sites. David, the problem is that you are using the WRONG address for the server. If you are not on BITNET do NOT use the NDSUVM1 address. LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU is the correct address for uucp, CSNet, and Internet users who cannot FTP. It's reachable from ANY uucp site that is also on the Internet. Examples: xait!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv uunet!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv ames!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv ucbvax!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv rutgers!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv harvard!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv gatech!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv att!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv If you are not sure of the correct path to use, send email to me and I'll tell you what your best path is. If no one tells us there is a problem how are we supposed to know? In this case, you had the wrong information. --Keith ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 90 01:22:12 GMT From: attctc!usource!daveg@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Goodman) Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: <373@usource.SARASOTA.FL.US> I am posting the following for David Goodenough , who is temporarily unable to post to this group. Replies to him, please. --- cut here --- cut here --- cut here --- cut here --- cut here --- Subject: binary/source postings Newsgroups: comp.os.cpm anasaz!chad (Chad Larson) says: > A couple of years ago, I posted to this group the source to a utility > I wrote. I was beaten up rather roughly for having done so. My > recollection is that this group was gatewayed onto the Internet > somehow and that someone there had a restriction on source and/or > binaries floating by. They threatened (or were required, I forget) to > break the gateway rather than allow programs to transit their systems. > > Is this still so? Are binaries or source postings discouraged (or > worse, punished)? Is this group constrained to be discussions of old > systems and mutual help in supporting them? This is somewhat the case. Although my true identity is dg@lakart.UUCP, I get this via the Internet mailing list INFO-CPM. Even though I would love to see binaries and source posted here, I have to agree with the Internet people that limits need to be placed: lakart.UUCP is now a CP/M machine, and I don't have infinite space on my spool drive (D:) which is where my mail hangs out. On the other side of the coin, I would agree that a mechanism for posting source and binaries would be useful (I'd kill for the opportunity to post QTERM V4.2g - it's now available.....), but I'd suggest that a (possibly moderated) newsgroup comp.os.cpm.programs would be needed. I purposely didn't say comp.os.cpm.sources or comp.os.cpm.binaries, since I believe that the most benefit would come from a newsgroup devoted to both. Your mission (should you chose to accept it) is to run the discussion, and the vote, and see if comp.os.cpm.programs can get created. I would, however, add the following: Keith Petersen (in a reply to the above posting by Chad Larson) says: > There is an excellent public domain archive at SIMTEL20 which is > accessable by all readers of this newsgroup. The problem is that for > the past two years there has only been ONE reader who has sent a > program contribution to the archives. I can't do it all myself. WRONG!!!!! - it is only by a miracle of UUCP <--> Internet and Internet <--> Bitnet gatewaying that I can get stuff from SIMTEL20. Keith, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remember that many .UUCP sites _CAN'T_ FTP, and thus are cut off from SIMTEL20. I'm able to access the BITNET server at NDSUVM1, but even that's flakey at best: about 20 to 30% of requests I send wind up in the bit bucket somewhere. The day I'm able to hook lakart.UUCP (as it is now - pallio.UUCP originally) to the Intenet, and issue a FTP request will probably go down in history along with the day Eniac was first powered up: there is only so much a 4MHz Z80A can do :-) -- dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!lakart!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 90 17:15:12 GMT From: rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov (Roger Hanscom) Subject: Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters Message-ID: <2756@lll-lcc.UUCP> Does anybody have the vital statistics on Kaypro 5.25" DSDD floppies?? Things like sectors/trk, BSH, etc. I believe they should be about 390K with 10, 512b sectors/track. I'm trying to write a BIOS that will use the Kaypro format. What is the interleave for this format?? roger rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 90 06:03:39 GMT From: titanic.cs.wisc.edu!tonyrich@speedy.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) Subject: MOVCPM's "copy protection" Message-ID: <9739@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Good news/Bad news: Thank you to David Goodenough for showing me how to work around the "synchronization error" message. The good news is that his tip allowed me to run MOVCPM; the bad news is that it didn't do any good, since the resulting CP/M image hangs. A previous posting to this newsgroup said that the serial-number comparison isn't really copy protection, it's to make sure you get a valid resulting image. Apparently that's correct. The upshot is that I have to have my copy of MICAH CP/M running in order to reconfigure it so I can get it running. (That's a tough one!) FYI, I WAS using a program called DEBUG...it's Cromemco's version of DDT. (Since I didn't have a reliable CP/M to boot with, I had to boot with Cromemco CDOS to do my fiddling with my CP/M boot disk, see. CDOS isn't completely CP/M compatible; it can read CP/M 8" disks, but lots of CP/M programs crash under CDOS, which is why I bought MICAH CP/M in the first place.) If anyone still cares, here's the workaround that David sent me: > There are two copies of the serial # in the BDOS/CCP image: mine were at > 1200H and (about) 0D20H in the MOVCPM.COM program (when loaded). Here's > how to find them: > > The CCP copy comes right after the command table, so hunt for the > 'DIR ERA USER' strings, they're all glued together, part way up the > CCP, and the serial # comes right after them (the next 6 bytes). > > The BDOS copy is just at the start of BDOS, so look for the '$$$ SUB' > fcb towards the top - it's followed by a bunch of zeroes and then on the > next page boundary, you'll find the serial # again. > > At about 02CBH in the MOVCPM.COM program is the code that tests it: I found > > LD HL,(????) > LD DE,1200 ; address of the BDOS serial # in the core image > ... > LD C,6 > > then some ld, cp etc. stuff, and a > > JP NZ,SOMEWHERE > > If you nuke the JP NZ, it ought to work. [It does. -T.R.] > > dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Email: tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu Phone: 608-271-8450 Disclaimer: The opinions above are mine. Others may agree or disagree. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #25 ************************************ 15-Feb-90 11:27:20-MST,9717;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 90 11:15:09 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #26 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 15 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 26 Today's Topics: binary/source postings CP/M Mailing List/Internet Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters (2 msgs) Minas Tirith RCP/M MOVCPM has copy protection SIMTEL20 VT180 "Robin" help needed on hard disk possibilities... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Feb 90 20:16:51 GMT From: m2c!wpi!ggray@husc6.harvard.edu (Gary P Gray) Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: <8293@wpi.wpi.edu> In article <1289@anasaz.UUCP> chad@anasaz.UUCP (Chad R. Larson) writes: >In article w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) writes: > [Argument about posting binaries and sources here deleted] What about comp.sources.misc? I don't think that CPM will be able to really support a .binaries or .sources group (unless I an very mistaken) from the traffic I have seen on this group. the comp.*.misc groups might be able to handle the occasional post for CPM, and it will be easier all around. Someone might want to mail to the moderator (if there is one) of comp.sources.misc and see if CPM falls under his bailiwick. -- -- WARNING!!! The above opinions may be HAZARDOUS or FATAL if swallowed!!! -- "No Gnus is good news" | "To life... immoral!" "Ode to tuna!" _Carmina Burana_ by Orff, as mis-heard by me ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 90 21:34:19 GMT From: sumax!polari!rwing!jeffery@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Jeffery Foy) Subject: CP/M Mailing List/Internet Message-ID: <1061@rwing.UUCP> Can someone tell me how to contact the Info-CPM area of Internet? Jeffery ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 90 03:26:03 GMT From: xanth!rlb@g.ms.uky.edu (Robert L. Bailey) Subject: Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters Message-ID: <11425@xanth.cs.odu.edu> In article <2756@lll-lcc.UUCP> rzh@lll-lcc.UUCP (Roger Hanscom) writes: > >Does anybody have the vital statistics on Kaypro 5.25" DSDD >floppies?? Things like sectors/trk, BSH, etc. I believe they >should be about 390K with 10, 512b sectors/track. I'm trying >to write a BIOS that will use the Kaypro format. What is the >interleave for this format?? > Yes, the Kaypro DSDD format is as you described. I'm not absolutely sure about the interleave, but, here is some other info that you will need to create the disk parameter block & header: PARAMETER Hex Decimal Sectors/trk 28 40 Blk shift factor 04 4 Alloc Block Mask 0F 15 Extent Mask 01 1 Disk Size Max 00C2 194 Dir Max -1 007F 127 Alloc Mask 0 C0 192 Alloc Mask 1 00 0 Dir Check size 0020 32 Sys Trks Offset 0002 2 Hope this helps. Bob Bailey ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 90 17:07:07 GMT From: orc!mipos3!cadev5!dbraun@decwrl.dec.com (Doug Braun ~) Subject: Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters Message-ID: <1647@mipos3.intel.com> In article <2756@lll-lcc.UUCP> rzh@lll-lcc.UUCP (Roger Hanscom) writes: > >Does anybody have the vital statistics on Kaypro 5.25" DSDD >floppies?? Things like sectors/trk, BSH, etc. I believe they >should be about 390K with 10, 512b sectors/track. I'm trying >to write a BIOS that will use the Kaypro format. What is the >interleave for this format?? > How is it that this format has 10 sectors per track, while IBM PCs have only 9 (and the old ones could only get 8 in)? I recently got a 5.25" floppy controller for my CP/M computer (which normally uses 8" SSSD), but it can only read 8 and 9 sectors per track. Does anyone know a resonably popular CP/M format that I could adopt, and thus interchange my 5" disks with somebody? I remain, etc., Doug Braun Intel Corp CAD 408 765-4279 / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev4!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / or: dbraun@cadev4.intel.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 90 01:00:38 GMT From: portal!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@apple.com (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: Minas Tirith RCP/M Message-ID: <26929@cup.portal.com> Ive been running an RCP/M for a few months now, and would like to get some more activity that its had, lately. Its listed in the RCPM0290.LST, but being such a long list, its hard to spot! Anyways, the name is Minas Tirith, at (201)989-5334. 1200 and 2400 baud, 24hours a day, MNP-5 supported (if you have it). running on a Xerox 820-II, with 32megs of online storage. NZ-COM, Z80DOS24 and QBBS (Ill soon be changing to DRBS, as a test beta site) Interests are: Xerox and Kaypro, ZCPR3x- (NZCOM), Z80DOS, CP/M, and just about anything thats of technical interest. Try it out! See if you like it! Thanx! (excuse my cross-posting to comp.os.cpm, but what better place to advertise a bbs?) . +------------------------------------------+---------------------+ | Billy D'Augustine (201)989-8161 | The author is not | | Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com | responsable for | | sun!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth | typgraphic errors! | +------------------------------------------+---------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 90 02:15:45 GMT From: mailrus!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Roger Ivie) Subject: MOVCPM has copy protection Message-ID: <18399@cc.usu.edu> In article <9719@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) writes: > In article <1534@shell.shell.com> svh@shell () writes: > >>I have recently gotten together an 820-I with 8" drives, and would like to >>do some stuff that would require me to MOVCPM down a couple'o K. The >>problem is, that the version I have will generate "Synchronization error" >>every time. > > According to the book "Inside CP/M" by David E. Cortesi, MOVCPM has a kind > of copy protection built into it. When it starts up, it does some > checking to see whether the copy of CP/M you're trying to generate with > MOVCPM matches the copy of CP/M you're currently running. If not, it > displays the message "Synchronization error" and quits. (I'm not sure > what it actually tries to match. I think it does some kind of checksum.) Rumor has it that MOVCPM compares the serial number of the CP/M that you're trying to move with the serial number of the CP/M that you're running. The serial number is stored in two places in CP/M: the first is just before the BDOS, and the other is near the command line buffer in the CCP. I'm not certain which one MOVCPM is checking. You should be able to zap the serial number in MOVCPM's image using DDT, although I've not tried it. =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 90 02:55:37 GMT From: pebbles.Ucdavis.EDU!ccs004@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Bryan Stansell) Subject: SIMTEL20 Message-ID: <6737@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> Hi all, I've just started reading comp.os.cpm and I saw that SIMTEL20 was a source of binaries/sources. I was hoping someone could give me the exact address of the place so I can ftp from it ( if that's possible ). If not, could someone explain how to make contact in ANY way? As a side note, I have a good old Commodore 128 ( which has a cp/m mode ), and I was wondering if anyone knew if this stuff would run on it. It's got a Z80 processor (only 2Mhz) running Version 3.x. I doubt many others have this setup, but I thought it couldn't hurt to ask. :-) Thanks in advance, Bryan. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 90 02:12:51 GMT From: wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@decwrl.dec.com (Roger Ivie) Subject: VT180 "Robin" help needed on hard disk possibilities... Message-ID: <18398@cc.usu.edu> In article , AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Netlanders... > I've been trying to figure out how to jam a hard disk onto my VT180 "Robin". > Have anyone out "there" any idea how to do that? Even a 5 meg drive would > be very nice! Try talking to Emerald Microware [ (503)641-8088 ]. They make a hard disk adapter that fits under the Z80; you lift your Z80 out, plug it into this board, and then plug the board where your Z80 goes. It talks to a Western Digital 1002-05, which they also sell (WD doesn't even admit this thing ever existed anymore; it seems that if it doesn't plug into a PC they're not interested). They sell software to drive the thing. They advertise in Micro Cornucopia if you want to look up an ad. =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #26 ************************************ 16-Feb-90 22:21:28-MST,10665;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 90 22:15:09 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #27 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 16 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 27 Today's Topics: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk binary/source postings DECmate II with CPM card Eco-C stdio.h Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters Kaypro SSDD and DSDD parameters (2 msgs) Sanyo MBC-1000 info needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Feb 90 20:53:30 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Message-ID: <2564@sactoh0.UUCP> I just got an Ampro Little Board Tuesday from a friend for $50. This is just the board and software because I have the necessary hardware, like a floppy disk and a power supply. The FD and PS I got in the form of a 68000 box that someone just gave to me. Now the real quetion; With that 68k box, not only did I get a FD and a power supply, I also got a 10 megabyte MiniScribe hard disk with a Western Digital WD1002-SHD host adapter. Is there a way to hook this bugger up easily with my Ampro, and is software to drive it hard to come by? Thanks in advance. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP:(1) My CP/M machine. |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | (2) My host. |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA |(1) !pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660|(2) !pacbell!sactoh0!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 90 18:32:15 GMT From: ubc-cs!alberta!atha!tech@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Richard Loken) Subject: binary/source postings Message-ID: <1665@aurora.AthabascaU.CA> From article , by w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen): > Chad, binary/source postings are inappropriate for any discussion > group, but especially for those gatewayed to mailing lists on the > Internet side. I don't see why. So howcome?? > There is an excellent public domain archive at SIMTEL20 which is > accessable by all readers of this newsgroup. The problem is that for > the past two years there has only been ONE reader who has sent a > program contribution to the archives. I can't do it all myself. I on the usenet side am pleasantly accustomed to picking up my source right here without calling on servers. Any attempts to talk to Simtel20 have failed miserably, if Simtel20 can be accessed by those of use without Internet or Bitnet access please explain how in V-E-R-Y simple language. The obscure referemces to a gateway (snort@foo.bar.EDU) with equally obscure instructions to write help in the subject lines don't really help much. Hey, I live in a place where black bears are often seen it town and timber wolves are accessable within 40 km - we are cutoff from the leading edge. Meanwhile how about comp.source.misc or alt.source or we could start mailing floppies to each other - I don't mind that either. As for binaries, I am an old Unix v6 man, I like source. This organizatioan will not accept a binaries newgroup anyway. Do you suppose that CP/M is current enough to be noticed by the virus development community? :) ********* 73 ********** Richard Loken VE6BSV . **** .. **** Athabasca University .... **** Athabasca, Alberta Canada ..........**** tech@cs.AthabascaU.CA {alberta|decwrl}!atha!tech ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 90 18:46:31 GMT From: genrad!rxf@husc6.harvard.edu ( Ruben D. Fagundo ) Subject: DECmate II with CPM card Message-ID: <32765@genrad.UUCP> I have a DECmate II with a CPM card that I would like to either sell or do something useful with. If anyone out there has any useful software or has a good application for this machine, drop me an email. If you are interested in buying it, make me an offer. I know that the keyboard alone is worth about $100. No reasonable offer refused. Ruben ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 90 18:32:38 GMT From: fluke!doctor@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Doug Klopfenstein) Subject: Eco-C stdio.h Message-ID: <14949@fluke.COM> I had just decided to brush up on my "C", so I took my of Master Disk of Ecosoft C from the shelf (where it had been sitting for the last five years) and tried to load the files onto my CP/M computer. Everything was fine until it got to the stdio.h file. At that point, the disk says "BDOS error on C...". Looks like I can retrieve all the files from the disk except stdio.h. So, does anyone out there have a copy of Eco-C stdio.h that they would be willing to mail me? The version number of the Eco-C compiler is 3.10. Thanks for your help. Doug Klopfenstein uw-beaver!fluke!doctor John Fluke Mfg. allegra!fluke!doctor Everett, WA doctor@fluke.com (206)356-5232 > work (206)283-4902> home ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 90 03:19:09 GMT From: snorkelwacker!usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Kaypro 4 ('84) Hardware Message-ID: <22924@usc.edu> In article <19697@ea.ecn.purdue.edu# wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes: #between the SASI port and the WD board. There is a company that #advertises in Micro-Cornucopia that sells kits to add the SASI port, #the small circuit board, and even the WD controller. This would #probably cost in the neighborhood of $225. I can't remember the #name of the company, but their the same people who sell the KayPlus #ROM and they also sell QP/M from MicroCode Consulting. # Emerald Microware (501) 641-8088? # #A cheaper way to add a hard drive would be to get one from Advanced #Engineering Concepts. They even have a special version of the #Advent TurboROM that supports their disk controller (allows larger #drives and you can boot off the hard drive). #-- KayPLUS ROM actually supports slightly more hard disk space than TurboROM; both support two drives up to the limit of the WD100x card which is about 64M (each drive). ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 90 03:26:59 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters Message-ID: <22926@usc.edu> In article <1647@mipos3.intel.com> dbraun@cadev5.UUCP (Doug Braun ~) writes: > >How is it that this format has 10 sectors per track, while IBM PCs >have only 9 (and the old ones could only get 8 in)? > This is possible since a track on disk has lots of stuff around it for synchronization, etc. The actual number of bytes per track is fixed and dependent upon the method and disk size (FM/MFM, SD/DD). Kaypro "shortchanged" the synchronization header and intermediate headers so that an extra sector could be squeezed into it. Nine is possible even using the manufacturers recommended track format; IBM used eight originally because it simplified the BIOS logical to physical sector xlation. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 90 20:49:09 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Kaypro SSDD and DSDD parameters Message-ID: <1518@crash.cts.com> Here are the parameter files for the Kaypro: KAYPROSS.DSK: NAME = Kaypro II (SS DD) - untested SPT = 40 BSH = 3 BLM = 7 EXM = 0 DSM = 194 DRM = 63 AL0 = 240 AL1 = 0 CKS = 16 OFF = 1 SKEW = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 DENSITY = DOUBLE SIDES = 1 SECTORM = SAME TRACKM = DOWN ALLOC = 1K SECSIZE = 512 And the parameters for the DS disks... KAYPRODS.DSK: NAME = Kaypro IV (DS DD) - untested SPT = 40 BSH = 4 BLM = 15 EXM = 1 DSM = 196 DRM = 63 AL0 = 192 AL1 = 0 CKS = 16 OFF = 1 SKEW = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 DENSITY = DOUBLE SIDES = 2 SECTORM = CONTINUOUS TRACKM = DOWN ALLOC = 2K SECSIZE = 512 -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 90 03:22:38 GMT From: usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@ucsd.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Kaypro SSDD and DSDD parameters Message-ID: <22925@usc.edu> In article <1518@crash.cts.com> mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: #Here are the parameter files for the Kaypro: # #KAYPROSS.DSK: # #SKEW = 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 #DENSITY = DOUBLE This is actually only part of the story. There are two types of skew: hardware and software. Only single-density disks (with a couple stupid exceptions) ever used a software skew. Kaypro, Xerox, and the like use hardware skew for double density. What Mark is pointing it is that the software does not see any skew since the disk has been formatted with the skew on it (saves xlation time and memory). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 90 10:28:50 PST From: Bridger Mitchell Subject: Sanyo MBC-1000 info needed Message-ID: <9002161829.AA03712@newton> A correspondent, Mark Levea, has acquired a used Sanyo MBC-1000, sans disks and documentation. Can someone provide pointers to hardware and BIOS code for him? The board includes Hitachi HD64505SP2 and HD68B45SP and NEC D780C chips. ------------------------------ Date: Fri Feb 16 21:06:17 1990 From: seaeast!jeff@uunet.UU.NET (Jeffrey Foy) Message-ID: Subject: CP/M-86 To: nwnexus!uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!info-cpm Date: Fri, 16 Feb 90 21:06:16 EST From: Jeffrey Foy X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL8] I have a NEC APC 8086-based machine. It runs CP/M-86 but, alas, I can find little that is CP/M-86 related. Is this a dead OS? Should I use the NEC's version of MsDos 2.11? Comments and replies would be most welcome. Jeff - uunet!rutgers!seaeast!jeff ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #27 ************************************ 17-Feb-90 17:11:07-MST,16946;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 17-Feb-90 17:02:07 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 90 17:02:07 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #28 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 17 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 28 Today's Topics: CP/M files uploaded to SIMTEL20, 1/1/89 to 2/17/90 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1990 17:00 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: CP/M files uploaded to SIMTEL20, 1/1/89 to 2/17/90 Message-ID: The following CP/M files were uploaded to SIMTEL20 during the period of January 1, 1989 through February 17, 1990. NOTE: Type B is Binary; Type A is ASCII Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== CARDZ180.INF A 3401 890124 New Apple CP/M card w/64180 MXH-CZ11.LBR B 12032 890816 MEX overlay for CardZ180 PCPIFST6.ARK B 5250 890628 Speed-Up info for the Applicard Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== ADS2.LBR B 11392 890228 Change date/time stamps in ARKs ARK11.ARK B 13953 900216 Version 1.1 file ARKiver DELBR12.ARK B 13184 891210 Extracts files from LBRs LDIRB15.LBR B 24448 891212 Display LBR directory, recognizes CRLZH LH-CPM11.LBR B 23552 890503 Uncompression utility for LHARC file LT29.LBR B 56192 891212 File type/extract/decompress, also does LZH Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== ZSM23.LBR B 99328 891005 Z80 macro assembler, linker, patcher Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== AZPIPE11.ARK B 6912 891122 Pipes for Aztec C Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== QRUN410.LBR B 66560 891102 Main runtime module for QBBS Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== JCPM1289.LBR B 33792 890106 List monitors RCP/M activity RCPM0290.BZF B 10240 900203 Brief Remote CP/M BBS list for Feb. 1990 RCPM0290.LZT B 35840 900203 Remote CP/M BBS list for Feb. 1990 Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== NOVADOSI.LBR B 94080 890106 Replacement for CP/M BDOS Z80D24SR.LBR B 80384 890505 Source files for Z80DOS Z80DOVL.LBR B 40960 890505 Program overlays to support Z80DOS Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== VDE-C128.ARK B 91903 890204 VDE266 for the Commodore C=128 Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== HP11.LBR B 22912 890813 HP-like calculator Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== ACIBS1K.ARK B 33356 891107 CBIOS for ALSPA, many bugs fixed Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== CCPR8612.LBR B 32640 890916 Better CCP for CP/M-86 FMACS86.ARK B 171468 890503 FreEMACS text editor for CP/M-86, w/ASM source Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== CPMTAX.ARK B 116018 890118 1988 tax preparation 1040/1040A DB110.LBR B 55040 890228 Modula- Database -- new version Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== DATAFLOW.LBR B 144512 890615 dBASEII ledger/stock/order/invoice DBDECODE.LBR B 8704 890813 Decrypts compiled dBASE II CMD files Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== MOVE22.LBR B 16768 891210 Moves files between user areas SD137.LBR B 95616 890228 Super Directory, does LBRs, ARKs UNERA33.LBR B 15232 890228 Unerase accidentally erased files Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== PCSWP05.LBR B 27776 890228 Sweep through IBM-PC disks SPEDUP12.LBR B 26496 890106 Reduce wear and tear on disk drives SPEEDUP.LBR B 7552 890417 A Disk DIR Cache for ANY system Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== PPIP18.LBR B 74112 890813 File copy program replaces PIP Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== AAAREAD.ME A 3390 900216 Information on files in this dir. ACCOUNTS.INF A 1112 900216 Govt. & contractors can get SIMTEL20 account ROYALOAK.DZR B 25088 891019 RCP/M Royal Oak directories ROYALOAK.SUP A 1404 891004 How you can support RCP/M Royal Oak SIMCPM.ARK B 162808 900217 SIMTEL20 CP/M files listing with descriptions SIMCPM.IDX A 354872 900217 SIMTEL20 CP/M files listing with descriptions SIMCVT.C A 3159 900122 Unix C program to print SIMTEL20's SIMCPM.IDX SIMCVT.EXC A 3465 900131 VM/VMS REXX program to print SIMCPM.IDX SIMCVT.FOR A 2391 891218 VAX/VMS FORTRAN program to print SIMCPM.IDX SIMCVT.SPS A 1811 890806 VAX/VMS SPS program to print SIMCPM.IDX SIMCVT2.BAS A 1460 890315 Basic program to print SIMTEL20's SIMCPM.IDX SIMDISP.AWK A 948 900114 AWK script displays SIMCPM.IDX in outline form SIMDISP.DOC A 292 900114 How to use SIMDISP.AWK SIMDISP.PL A 2128 900114 Perl script to print SIMTEL20's SIMCPM.IDX USERID.DOC A 2199 891212 Doc for USERID.FRM account application USERID.FRM A 3026 900206 Application form for SIMTEL20 account Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== GF10.LBR B 7680 890228 Generalized file filter utility PWD20.LBR B 42496 890106 Provides Password security to files Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== CPMSRC-J.LZT B 23680 900210 Updated list of CP/M Software Source MAGICPR3.IZF B 18944 890106 Information about Magic Print PCFILE80.IZF B 1408 890106 Info for support of PC-File 80 Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== I2GS-1.AZM B 8064 890429 IMP for Apple //gs w/Softcard I2GS-2.AZM B 6784 890429 IMP for Apple //gs w/Applicard Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== NORING.LBR B 10496 890228 Set Kaypro internal mdm answer mode Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== CP409SRC.ARK B 395948 890725 Kermit-80 ver. 4.09 ASM source code PCPRINT.C A 5322 890504 Print Unix host text files on PC (req. Kermit) PCPRINT.NR A 3068 890504 Unix man page for PCPRINT.C Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== ML1-1.LBR B 42112 890106 Label Generation program RAP.LBR B 25344 890106 Directs printer output to disk file SIDEWYS4.LBR B 17664 890228 Print sideways on printer TECHFONT.LBR B 6400 891130 Greek & Technical font for Bradford Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== MEX2Z12.LBR B 13184 890228 Shell to Z-System from MEX MXO-HP1.AZM B 6144 890504 MEX overlay - HP-125 Series 100 MXO-VT11.AZM B 7040 890228 MEX Overlay -- DEC Micro VT180 Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== PLM80.ARK B 150790 890518 Source code for PL/M-80 compiler ROGUE17.LBR B 32384 890228 Onscreen dungeon exploration game Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== INTFRNC.DZC B 4224 890325 Article on modem interfacing problem MDMHNTS.DZC B 7424 890325 Setting up a new modem Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== PBBS-45.LBR B 227328 890427 PBBS v4.5 Bulletin Board System PBBS45FX.LBR B 22528 890610 Fixes for PBBS version 4.5 BBS PBBSUP45.LBR B 93184 890427 PBBS 4.5 support files PREG451.LBR B 36224 890813 User registration utility for PBBS PSTAT453.LBR B 28416 890813 Examine settings of PBBS PUSER45.LBR B 40192 890813 PBBS utility for user base Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== QT6-SB18.ZZ0 B 4864 890424 Qterm overlay for the SB-180 QTERM42G.LBR B 45568 900210 Terminal prog. X/Ymodem Kermit VT100 QTO-HP1C.AZM B 4992 890504 QTERM overlay for HP150 QTO-XER2.ZZ0 B 5504 890504 QTERM overlay for Xerox 820-II QTO-ZB10.AZM B 4096 890417 Telcon Zorba overlay for QTERM QTP-XER2.AZM B 5504 890418 Xerox820-II & 16/8 overlay for QTERM QTPATCH.LBR B 77312 891005 QTERM patch sources Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== COMPRESS.ARK B 36864 890314 12-bit LZW 'compress' for CP/M CRLZH11.LBR B 115584 891212 CRUNCH utilities, uses LZH code FCRLZH11.LBR B 58112 891212 LZH encoding for 8080/8085 users FREEZE.LBR B 24704 890610 standard of LZHUF technique for CPM TLZH11.LBR B 60032 891212 Type utility for LZH files Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== CPM.DIRLST A 2083 891028 Quick refence list to SIMTEL20 CP/M dirs DELBR12.C A 7270 891124 Extracts files from LBRs, C source DELBR12.COM B 12416 891124 Extracts files from LBRs DELBR12.HEX A 30227 891210 Extracts files from LBRs SIMTEL20.INF A 14279 900112 Complete overview of the SIMTEL20 archives Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== COP11.LBR B 9472 890411 Console filter for blind CP/M users Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== CODETEST.LBR B 10368 890228 Turbo Modula-2 Absolute Address Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== PRNTXT15.LBR B 26624 890423 Make COM files from text files PWLKWS24.LBR B 35456 890106 Allow Perfect Writer use WS commands QL41.LBR B 115968 890204 Quick look typer for LBR/SQ/Crunched Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== UUCP20I.LBR B 57600 891110 UNIX UUCP mail system for CP/M Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== WS40OZ81.LBR B 3712 890228 WS 4.0 overlay with Z80dos date Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== Z8E35.ARK B 250126 890204 Interactive debugging tool for Z80 Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== ADIR26.LBR B 10240 890106 Sorted alias list in DIR format ARUNZ09Q.LBR B 24832 890325 latest version of ARUNZ CNTLH11.LBR B 14592 890916 Text utility/filterer CONCAT03.LBR B 11520 891007 Concatenate two or more files CPA12.LBR B 19968 890228 Compare and analyze two text files CPSET11.LBR B 12416 890228 Define console/printer features D15.LBR B 37376 891007 ZCPR3 directory display utility DIFF30.LBR B 28288 890228 Compares two files, displays results DUMP12.LBR B 6784 891007 Dumps files in hex and ASCII EASE20T.LBR B 5376 890228 Overlay for EASE20 displays time LBREXT27.LBR B 25728 891117 Extracts library members, w/date LOCNDO12.LBR B 12672 890813 Locates files, performs script tasks LPUT18.LBR B 34304 890106 Build libraries, add and replace SALIAS13.LBR B 16896 890228 Screen oriented Alias generator SETFIL11.LBR B 4096 890228 Define/Display ZCPR3 file name SHOW14.LBR B 67712 890228 Displays ZCPR33 system configuration SLB36HLP.LBR B 92160 890228 Help files for SYSLIB 3.6 SYSLIBV4.LBR B 70272 891102 Updated SYSLIB for Z80 systems T12.LBR B 24704 891007 Types screen display files TCJ33.MZG B 25216 890313 Sage ZSIG Column, TCJ Issue #33 TCJ34.MZG B 11648 890313 Sage ZSIG Column, TCJ Issue #34 TCJ35.MZG B 13440 890313 Sage ZSIG Column, TCJ Issue #35 TCVIEW20.LBR B 8320 890813 Display ZCPR TCAP entries TEX13.LBR B 32256 890106 ZCPR Time Scheduling Shell V4LIBHLP.LBR B 157824 891102 Help for version 4 of syslib Z3CUBE11.LBR B 10112 890228 Simulation of a 3-dimensional cube Z3LIBHLP.LBR B 42496 890228 Help files for Z3LIB version 1 ZCNFG14.LBR B 82560 890106 Confiure Z3 utilities ZEX50.LBR B 26240 891102 New version of ZCPR ZEX processor. ZFILES19.LZT B 11392 890106 LIST of ZSYSTEM support files ZLT13A.LBR B 40064 890106 ZCPR compressed/library file typer ZSCLKS.LBR B 8064 890813 Info for clock routines for ZSDOS Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== UNZIP099.LBR B 16128 890918 CP/M UnZIPper, full compat. w/PKZ101 ZIPDIR11.LBR B 19584 890908 Lists directory of ZIP files Directory PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== RZMPLOG4.LBR B 50816 891102 Log processing for RZMP ZMO-1805.ZZ0 B 9472 890427 ZMP Overlay -- SB180-FX ZMO-AL05.ZZ0 B 8576 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Altos 8000 ZMO-AM05.ZZ0 B 10752 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Ampro Little Board ZMO-BB05.ZZ0 B 6528 890427 ZMP Overlay -- BigBoard II ZMO-BW05.ZZ0 B 6784 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Bondwell 12/14 ZMO-CP05.ZZ0 B 6912 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Amstrad CPC6128 ZMO-EP05.ZZ0 B 7040 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Epson ZMO-H805.ZZ0 B 9600 890427 ZMP Overlay -- H89-H19 ZMO-HP12.ZZ0 B 6400 890427 ZMP Overlay -- HP12X ZMO-KP11.ZZ0 B 8832 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Kaypro computers ZMO-KP12.ZZ0 B 9151 890419 ZMP Overlay -- Kaypro computers ZMO-MD05.ZZ0 B 6912 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Morrow MD3 ZMO-MH05.ZZ0 B 7040 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Morrow MD11 ZMO-MIC5.ZZ0 B 7168 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Multitech MIC-500 ZMO-OT05.ZZ0 B 6656 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Otrona Attache ZMO-OX05.ZZ0 B 6784 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Osborne exec ZMO-R405.ZZ0 B 8192 890418 ZMP 1.5 overlay for Tandy 4 ZMO-R415.ZZ0 B 8192 890417 Tandy TRS80 Model 4/4p ZMP15 overlay ZMO-ROB5.ZZ0 B 7296 890427 ZMP Overlay -- DEC Robin ZMO-SN05.ZZ0 B 7552 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Sanyo MBC ZMO-TV05.ZZ0 B 6912 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Televideo TS80 ZMO-XE05.ZZ0 B 6912 890427 ZMP Overlay -- Xerox 820-II ZMOH89.ZZ0 B 6784 890429 ZMP overlay for H89's ZMP15.LBR B 79872 890409 X/Y/Zmodem file transfer program ZMP15KP.LBR B 20096 890419 Adapts ZMP15 to video Kaypros Many of these files are also available from RCP/M Royal Oak. --Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, & MISC archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.arpa BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1 Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #28 ************************************ 18-Feb-90 05:28:33-MST,10111;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 90 05:15:10 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #29 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 18 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 29 Today's Topics: (none) 10 512-byte sectors/track (was RE: Kaypro...) Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters Message for Bill Weinel MOVCPM fix Sanyo MBC-1000 info needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Feb 90 19:42:34 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: (none) Message-ID: <2570@sactoh0.UUCP> In article , jeff@seaeast.UUCP (Jeffrey Foy) writes: > I have a NEC APC 8086-based machine. It runs CP/M-86 but, alas, I > can find little that is CP/M-86 related. Is this a dead OS? Should > I use the NEC's version of MsDos 2.11? Comments and replies would > be most welcome. You might try the archives at SIMTEL20. I have a shell script that you can use to snag files from there, and as soon as I have the chance, I'll mail you one. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP:(1) My CP/M machine. |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | (2) My host. |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA |(1) !pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660|(2) !pacbell!sactoh0!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 90 05:41:17 GMT From: pasteur!helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Roger Ivie) Subject: 10 512-byte sectors/track (was RE: Kaypro...) Message-ID: <18749@cc.usu.edu> In article <1647@mipos3.intel.com>, dbraun@cadev5.intel.com (Doug Braun ~) writes: > How is it that this format has 10 sectors per track, while IBM PCs > have only 9 (and the old ones could only get 8 in)? If you omit the soft index in the standard format you get enough space to just squeeze in an extra sector IF your drive is within about 0.5% of being on speed. DEC did this for the RX50 (^&*#@&$ piece of trash). Unfortunately, the drive is speced at 1.5% speed variation, so you are not guaranteed that you can format a disk on the damn thing. If you complain, the field service guys just swap drives until you get one that can format... Of course, DEC did this single-sided 80 track, so you can only get 400K on a disk. =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 90 01:51:26 GMT From: xanth!rlb@mcnc.org (Robert L. Bailey) Subject: Kaypro DSDD 5.25" floppy parameters Message-ID: <11450@xanth.cs.odu.edu> In article <1647@mipos3.intel.com> dbraun@cadev5.UUCP (Doug Braun ~) writes: >In article <2756@lll-lcc.UUCP> rzh@lll-lcc.UUCP (Roger Hanscom) writes: >> >>Does anybody have the vital statistics on Kaypro 5.25" DSDD >>floppies?? Things like sectors/trk, BSH, etc. I believe they >>should be about 390K with 10, 512b sectors/track. I'm trying >>to write a BIOS that will use the Kaypro format. What is the >>interleave for this format?? >> > >How is it that this format has 10 sectors per track, while IBM PCs >have only 9 (and the old ones could only get 8 in)? > >I recently got a 5.25" floppy controller for my CP/M computer >(which normally uses 8" SSSD), but it can only read 8 and 9 sectors per >track. Does anyone know a resonably popular CP/M format that I could adopt, >and thus interchange my 5" disks with somebody? > The reason that IBM did not use 10 sectors/track is probably that they decided that it was pushing the capacity of the media too much. IBM is a very conservative bunch, don't ya know? The IBM hardware is perfectly capable of reading/writing 10 sectors/track. I know. I have a non-standard formatting program on my PC that DOES use 10 SPT. Most likely, your hardware is capable of handling 10 SPT. You just need an appropriate formatting program and new disk parameter tables in your BIOS. I have an old Xerox 820-1 that originally 8" only. I added a 5 1/4". Later, I got a new double density controller from Emerald Microware. This allowed me to add more drives and accomodate different disk formats as well. My configuration ended up as follows: 1 8" SSSD 1 5 1/4" SSDD 1 5 1/4" DSDD 1 5 1/4" DSQD (80 trk double density - but not like IBM 1.2M) These drives along with a program called UNIFORM allowed me to read/write just about any format that exists, including IBM 360K disks! My standard format that I used most of the time was the Kaypro 5 1/4" DSDD 390K. This is probably about as close to a "universal" CP/M format as you will find, because the Kaypro machines were very popular in their day. I believe that they were the top seller in the CP/M arena. In summary, if your controller is capable of reading/writing double density, then some new disk parameters in your BIOS should enable you to handle the Kaypro format. Check your controller chip. If its a Western Digital 17xx or 27xx, it should work (except for the 1771 which is SD only). The NEC 765 and others in that family are also capable (most PCs use one of these). Hope this helps. Bob Bailey ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 90 20:11:10 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Message for Bill Weinel Message-ID: <1541@crash.cts.com> My apologies for wasting net bandwidth, but my attempts to reach this person have all bounced. ----- Bill, I am interested in some of what you offered for sale. Please let me know a valid path back to you, so that we can work something out. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 90 20:28:17 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: MOVCPM fix Message-ID: <1542@crash.cts.com> Here is the ultimate solution to the MOVCPM problem. Disable the serial # checks entirely. I'm surprised that no one has suggested this yet. I had to do this a long time ago, when I replaced DRI's BDOS with one of the PD replacements, and needed to run MOVCPM to generate a bootable floppy. Note that this information is specific to a particular copy of MOVCPM. Your patch point is almost guaranteed to NOT be in the same place. But, in looking at over a dozen copies of MOVCPM from as many manufacturers, I found that: 1) The code around the patch point always looks the same ( that portion is DRI's, not the vendor's ) 2) The patch point has always been within 80h bytes of the point specified in this file. Also... I did NOT write this patch. I found it on a local BBS, MANY moons ago. It's not my fault if you screw up your copy of MOVCPM. Do NOT do this on an original disk! MOVCPM.FIX: I recenly tried to help a friend generate a new system on my machine, using his copy of MOVCPM,and we were greeted with, "SYNCHRONIZATION ERROR" followed by the machine quiting. After talking to another friend, I was informed that the problem was caused by a serial number mismatch between my system and his copy of MOVCPM. My friend further stated that there was "NO WAY" around this protection. After pondering the problem a while I decided to start disassembling MOVCPM with the help of the "L" command in DDT. What follows is the result of my efforts. Begining at 2C0 I found the following code: -L2C0 02C0 POP D 02C1 LXI D,1200 02C4 LHLD 037A 02C7 MVI C,6 02C9 LDAX D 02CA CMP M 02CB JNZ 025A 02CE INX H 02CF INX D 02D0 DCR C 02D1 JNZ 02C9 I then did the following substitutions: -S2CB 02CB C2 00 02CC 5A 00 02CD 02 00 02CE 23 . After the above changes do a SAVE 40 MOVCPMNU.COM and you have a version of MOVCPM that will run on any machine. With the above changes under my belt I decided to do some more poking around in MOVCPM.COM and came up with the following addresses that might arouse your curosity. B5F, 1200, D28 Best of Luck, A HACKER -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 90 19:38:48 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Sanyo MBC-1000 info needed Message-ID: <2569@sactoh0.UUCP> In article <9002161829.AA03712@newton>, bridger%rcc@RAND.ORG (Bridger Mitchell) writes: > The board includes Hitachi HD64505SP2 and > HD68B45SP and NEC D780C chips. The HD68B45SP is a CRT comtroller and the D780C is NEC's designation for a Z80. However, I don't know what the HD64505SP2 is nor the specifics of the HD68B45SP. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP:(1) My CP/M machine. |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | (2) My host. |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA |(1) !pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660|(2) !pacbell!sactoh0!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #29 ************************************ 19-Feb-90 08:31:00-MST,10152;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 90 08:15:38 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #30 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 19 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 30 Today's Topics: 10 512-byte sectors/track (was RE: Kaypro...) 1793 Disk Contr. Info? A CP/M version of Tetris (the game) is ready for release!!! BBS List & File Compression Binary posting on discussion lists.... C (a la TURBO) for CP/M ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Feb 90 14:05:24 EST From: dg%lakart.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough) Subject: 10 512-byte sectors/track (was RE: Kaypro...) Message-ID: slsw2@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) writes: > dbraun@cadev5.intel.com (Doug Braun) writes: >> How is it that this format has 10 sectors per track, while IBM PCs >> have only 9 (and the old ones could only get 8 in)? > > If you omit the soft index in the standard format you get enough space > to just squeeze in an extra sector IF your drive is within about 0.5% > of being on speed. > > DEC did this for the RX50 (^&*#@&$ piece of trash). Unfortunately, the > drive is speced at 1.5% speed variation, so you are not guaranteed that > you can format a disk on the damn thing. This is only part of the story, the other half concerns the FD controller chip. Kaypros use the WD 1793, whereas the PC uses the Intel 765. Basically, the 765 is a piece of junk, in that it is far less fault tolerant than the 1793, hence the 1793 can operate reliably with a shorter intersector gap, thus cramming more information onto a disk. To cite another example, My Televideo uses a 1793 to get 18 * 256 bytes on one track, whereas the 765 can get only (I think) 16 * 256, I'd have to check the documentation. To take this to it's logical conclusion, in some experiments with variable sector sizes, I was able to get the equivalent of 11 * 512 byte sectors on a disk, and do so reliably. My main problem was figuring the sector interleave since I did this with 5 * 1K (like an Osborne), and an extra 512 byte sector - after the 5 * 1K are put on, there's about 640 or so bytes left over, which is plenty of space to snuggle a 512 byte sector into. One day I'll get it worked out, because the concept of 440K on a 5.25 DS DD floppy is too attractive to pass up :-) -- dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!lakart!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 90 02:11:53 GMT From: dino!bischoff@uunet.uu.net (Kurt Bischoff) Subject: 1793 Disk Contr. Info? Message-ID: <652@dino.cs.iastate.edu> brian@attcan.UUCP (Brian Musker) writes: >I have almost completed disassembling the ROM from my OSBORNE-I, >(I will be porting CP/M 3.0 to it), and I can't quite make sense >out of some of the data being sent to or received from the 1793 >floppy controller. >HELP! Back in '85, before I had CP/M, I wrote a disk-formatting program (in Z-80 machine language) for my Xerox 820. The 820 uses a WD1771, which I didn't attempt to understand in the absence of documents. So I called a Western Digital office and they sent me a copy of their "Storage Management Products Handbook", which also has 40 pages of specifications and applications notes on the 1793. I'll send you a copy of the 1793 stuff for $2. I guess this is sort of like revealing the end of a mystery story, so it might ruin your fun. 8-) Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 90 11:41 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: A CP/M version of Tetris (the game) is ready for release!!! Hello! Tetris release v. 2.0 just passed the David Goodenough test for QTerm patch compatibility (D.G.T.F.Q.P.C.). This means, yes, finally, that it is ready for distribution, etc. Tetris is a video game invented by a Russian person, made familiar to us through the Nintendo and Arcade versions. If you do not know the details of the game, consult a nearest video game renting store or a video game center, or a person whom you consider to be conducive to video game playing. I have created three different archives for the same program. TE20ANSI.ARK is patched for ANSI type terminals. TE20TVI.ARK is patched for TVI type terminals (^Z for clrscr, ^[=rc +20h for cursor movement). TETRIS20.ARK is a bit bigger, and has examples of both TVI and ANSI so that patching can be done a bit more easily. Like I mentioned, Tetris uses the patches for QTerm v.4.2. (which is not really compatible with some of the earlier patch versions). Considering the level of stress and the nature of the crises I have been going through, I think I will end up producing a few more games by the time my Division III (=senior thesis) is over. Also, David is a rather productive programmer, so I suggest you keep around a COMPLETE (not the ones that come in my ARK's) version of QTerm patches around for your terminal type... :-) Anyways, if you want the spiel, drop me a line stating which one of the three versions you'd like. IF YOU WANT TO DISTRIBUTE TO OTHERS, please use TETRIS20.ARK for the sake of completeness, and please let me know beforehand so that I can update you whenever necessary. Thnx!!! -John (JShin@HampVMS.bitnet) (JShin%HampVMS.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 90 09:42:01 GMT From: tahoe!unssun.nevada.edu!derrick@apple.com (Derrick Hamner) Subject: BBS List & File Compression Message-ID: <3589@tahoe.unr.edu> I need to find a BBS list for CPM machines. Specifically, I need a communications program, preferably Kermit, for an Osborne 1 running CP/M. I have downloaded rcpm0290.lzt from simtel20, and it seems to be exactly what I need, except that I don't know what was used to compress it. I assume that it is compressed since I expect a BBS list to be an ascii file, and this is binary. In any case, if someone could point me to an ascii BBS list for CPM (Osborne 1) machines, a kermit executable for an Osborne 1, or tell me how to uncompress rcpm0290.lzt on a UNIX or MS-DOS machine, I would be very grateful. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Derrick Hamner University of Nevada, Reno Internet: derrick@unssun.nevada.edu [134.197.1.128] UUCP: uunet!unssun!derrick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 90 12:02 EST From: "No, me?" Subject: Binary posting on discussion lists.... Hello... This is in response to Richard Loken (did I spell it right? If not, thousand apologies...)'s question regarding binary source posting. As far as I know, the way these discussion groups work is that when one sends a message to the group's "base," the base cc's the message to all of the members (hence the name "list"). Often, as is the case with info-cpm (or comp.source.cpm, or something like that as you call it), the groups bases are located in an internet site or a uunet site (or whatever else have you), which makes it inconvenienet to forward ALL of the messages through the gateways over into other networks (over 10 per day, depending on the group), especially BITNET. Now, I would imagine that most source codes, UUencoded and what not, would be far greater than 10 kilobytes. Just imagin hundreds and thousands of copies of these flooding across ALL of the nets possibly imaginable. Also, let's consider the fact that most of the gateway'ed messages are "digested" into a bundle of more than one - I've seen one from dist-ibmpc that was about 30 messages long - messages. Since the digests are organized alphabetically, the source is bound to be stuck somewhere in the middle of the digest. For some mailer programs, you have to go through EVERY SINGLE PAGE of it until you get to the next message. No way skipping. Now, let us consider some of us, like me, who are still struggling with a 300-baud (or even 1200-baud) modem all the way through the pages-long source code just to get to the next message, whose content one knows only vaguely through the often uninformative subject lines. Would this convince you of the impropriety of source posting? Instead, you can just post a message asking if people want the source, and if they reply, send the source. Maybe, just maybe, this IS what you meant by "source posting." In that case, this message is misdirected.... I'm sorry. I'm also sorry that this message was so long. I imagine this would be the last of this sort, but first on the digest (starts with "B"). Thanks..... John P.S. at least I don't use lines-long signatures... :-) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 90 08:54:56 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!ericom!juno.ericsson.se!etxmsll@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Mats Lidell TX/JUF) Subject: C (a la TURBO) for CP/M ? Message-ID: <1990Feb19.085456.3326@ericsson.se> Hi Everybody, For more than a year ago someone posted an add, in this newsgroup, for a TURBO like environment (integrated editor, debugger, fast ...) for C and running under CP/M. (or did I just dream this. It sounds incredible ... :-) I have some slight memory of it being a new version of BDS-C (!?) (maybe from another dream!?) Anyway, I would greatly appreciate any references for any C environment and compiler, under CP/M, that even slightly resembles what's given above. Or putting it another way. Is there a (TURBO-, Lightspeed-,Flash-,...) C for CP/M ? Yours Mats -- Mats Lidell etxmsll@juno.ericsson.se ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #30 ************************************ 20-Feb-90 07:57:53-MST,9320;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 20-Feb-90 07:55:03 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 90 07:55:02 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #31 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 20 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 31 Today's Topics: 8 inch SSDD Disketes A CP/M version of Tetris (the game) is ready for release!!! Ah. Finally. Tetris is in SIMTEL20. Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Needed repairs for Xerox820-I/Bigboard Thanks for assistance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 90 6:58:46 EST From: "Paul V. Pullen" Subject: 8 inch SSDD Disketes Message-ID: <9002200658.aa06826@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> If anyone is interested on the network, I have received a case of Xerox 8 inch SSDD disks, part number 9R80443. I have no use for them, and am offering them to anyone on the network who will pick up the shipping charges. This case is 10 packages of 10 disks, each in a plastic container. Contact me by phone at the number listed below (0700-1530 EST) or at 301-866- 2930 after 1700 in the evening. Paul Pullen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /----/ /----/ / /---- / / /-- / / / / / / / / / \ / / / / / /____/ /____/ / / /____/ / \ /____/ /____/ /____/ United States Army Chemical Research, Development and Engineering Center pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil Snail Mail: Commander USACRDEC Attn: SMCCR-PPI (Pullen) E-5604 Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland 21010-5423 AT&T (301) 671-2519 (301) 671-4174 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 90 03:04:18 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!nsscb!ameyer@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Andy Meyer) Subject: A CP/M version of Tetris (the game) is ready for release!!! Message-ID: <1249@nsscb.UUCP> In article <9002190810.AA24720@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET ("No, me?") writes: > Tetris release v. 2.0 ... > ...is ready for distribution, etc. I don't mean to be rude or anything, but WHY? Is there something wrong with QUATRIS (by Steven B. Perkins)? I'm not much of a game player, but for the few times I've played QUATRIS, it very closely resembled what I had seen of the arcade version. > Considering the level of stress and the nature of the crises I have > been going through, I think I will end up producing a few more games > by the time my Division III (=senior thesis) is over. Wouldn't you diminish that stress if you were working on your thesis like you should be, instead of writing those computer games?! :-) Andy -- Andreas Meyer N2FYE AT&T National Systems Support Center .--- ..- ... - ... .- -.-- -. --- - --- -- ... -.. --- ... uucp: ..!att!ulysses!nsscb!ameyer or: ameyer%nsscb@ulysses.att.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 90 18:37 EST From: John Shin Subject: Ah. Finally. Tetris is in SIMTEL20. I'm calling your attention to the fact that TETRIS20.ARK is in SIMTEL20 directory PD2:. I will still reply to your requests for Tetris, etc., but I bet Simtel will respond much faster if you have ftp or trickle around... -John Shin ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 90 16:01:13 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!sdsu!crash!mwilson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marc Wilson) Subject: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Message-ID: <1574@crash.cts.com> In article <2564@sactoh0.UUCP> ianj@sactoh0.UUCP (Ian R. Justman) writes: >I just got an Ampro Little Board Tuesday from a friend for $50. >This is just the board and software because I have the necessary >hardware, like a floppy disk and a power supply. The FD and PS I WHich Ampro? A LB/Z80, or LB/Z80+? The first has no capability for a hard drive without adding Ampro's host adapter ( goes under the Z80... sells for $99 ). The LB/Z80+ has the SCSI port installed already. You might be able to convince your parallel port to talk to the WD controller, but it's FAR easier to just go SCSI. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 90 18:51:41 GMT From: jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU!kleinj@cs.orst.edu (Justin Klein) Subject: Needed repairs for Xerox820-I/Bigboard Message-ID: <15997@orstcs.CS.ORST.EDU> For quite a while now, I have owned a Xerox 820/I, which (I am told) is similiar if not identical to the Ferguson Bigboard. Quite some time ago it developed a problem. It used to use an old Tektronix keyboard, and this keyboard burned out. We are rather certain that the keyboard is what's gone, as we have had replaced all the chips in the keybd interface, and the rest of the components look good. I have another keyboard that I wisht to connect. It too is a Tek keybd, and the edge card connector is exactly the same pattern. In the lower left hand corner of the PCB is the following: KTC A65-01863-003 PCB-002D and in smaller type right below this, the inscription: TEKTRONIX INC 119-0374-09 REV D In addition, it has a numeric keypad on the right hand side of the board with cursor controls on the top of the keys, numbers on the front and a click-lock NUM LOCK key, also a click-lock TTY LOCK key at the lower left of the main section of the keyboard. What I need, in all sincerity, is help in locating tech data, direct advice, or a comibination of both...as far as tech data, I need anything that would help me to make the keyboard and computer come together (schematic for the key board, or schematic for keyboard input to the Bigboard, as the doc I got with the old girl are woefully incomplete). Alternatively, I would appreciate any addresses...email or otherwise...that would connect me with anybody who had this info. We have the tech expertise on tap...all we need is the intelligence. Please help me get a magnificent old computer back on line! We miss her! advaTHANKSnce! -Justin Klein- Email:kleinj@jacobs.cs.orst.edu, Corvallis, Or. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 90 7:32:13 EST From: "Paul V. Pullen" Subject: Thanks for assistance Message-ID: <9002200732.aa08319@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> Several weeks ago, I put a plea out on the network for assistance finding a replacement disk drive for my Intertec Compustar computer. I received answers from Clarence Wilkerson and Andy Marchant-Shapiro stating that the drives should be direct substitutes (5 1/4) with PC drives. I now have a fully operational Intertec with a full height drive in as drive A and a half-height drive working as drive B. The only problem was modifications to the drive mount bracket and the faceplate on the computer to enable my putting the disks in and out of the half-height drive. The drive address is set for disk 1 in the half-height, and all functions seem to be operational. Thanks to all for your assistance. Paul Pullen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /----/ /----/ / /---- / / /-- / / / / / / / / / \ / / / / / /____/ /____/ / / /____/ / \ /____/ /____/ /____/ United States Army Chemical Research, Development and Engineering Center pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil Snail Mail: Commander USACRDEC Attn: SMCCR-PPI (Pullen) E-5604 Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland 21010-5423 AT&T (301) 671-2519 (301) 671-4174 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #31 ************************************ 20-Feb-90 21:22:39-MST,8680;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 90 21:15:11 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #32 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 20 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 32 Today's Topics: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Disks are spoken for Kaypro mailing Looking for a working Micropiolis Disk Controller B (2 msgs) Reading CPM disks from DOS Thanks (re: JRT Pascal doc) vt52/vt100 emulation on TVI802 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Feb 90 19:54:52 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman) Subject: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Message-ID: <2589@sactoh0.UUCP> In article <1574@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: > > WHich Ampro? A LB/Z80, or LB/Z80+? The first has no capability for > a hard drive without adding Ampro's host adapter ( goes under the Z80... > sells for $99 ). The LB/Z80+ has the SCSI port installed already. I think I have the one with just the Z80. And what kind of drives can be used with Ampro's host adapter (which I am willing to do because I don't know where to find the SCSI version of the LB)? The drive I presently have is a MiniScribe model 3012 and it came with a Western Digital WD1002 board. Any information would be helpful. Also, thanks for saying something about the LB+ whose specifics I didn't know before. I was wondering what differences there were. -- Home: Ian Justman |UUCP:(1) My CP/M machine. |"One of the few 6612 Whitsett Drive | (2) My host. |die-hard CP/M North Highlands, CA |(1) !pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |addicts left on this (916) 344-5360 95660|(2) !pacbell!sactoh0!ianj |planet" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 90 15:13:29 EST From: "Paul V. Pullen" Subject: Disks are spoken for Message-ID: <9002201513.aa09082@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> To all who read my message on 8 inch floppy disks, they are spoken for! Thanks for your interest. Paul Pullen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ _____ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /----/ /----/ / /---- / / /-- / / / / / / / / / \ / / / / / /____/ /____/ / / /____/ / \ /____/ /____/ /____/ United States Army Chemical Research, Development and Engineering Center pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil Snail Mail: Commander USACRDEC Attn: SMCCR-PPI (Pullen) E-5604 Aberdeen Proving Grounds, Maryland 21010-5423 AT&T (301) 671-2519 (301) 671-4174 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 90 02:25:46 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Kaypro mailing Message-ID: <1596@crash.cts.com> I dumped the message with your address accidentally... send it again! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 90 21:22:47 GMT From: crdgw1!beowulf!bownesrm@uunet.uu.net (Waiting for the Sun) Subject: Looking for a working Micropiolis Disk Controller B Message-ID: <1826@beowulf.UUCP> howdy, Some time ago I trashed most of the boards in my Altair 8800a with a bad power supply. I've managed to fix most of them, but cannot seem to get the old Micropolis disk controller to come back to life. Anyone out there got one they'd be willing to part with? Thanks, bob "Reading legal mush can turn your brain to guacamole." - Commodore/Amiga Manual Bob Bownes, aka iii, aka keptin comrade doktor bobwrench 874 Kari Dr, Eau Claire (Oh Claire!) Wisc, 54701 (715)-835-1934 voice bownesrm@beowulf.uucp {uunet!crdgw1,uunet!ssi}!beowulf!bownesrm -- "Reading legal mush can turn your brain to guacamole." - Commodore/Amiga Manual Bob Bownes, aka iii, aka keptin comrade doktor bobwrench 874 Kari Dr, Eau Claire (Oh Claire!) Wisc, 54701 (715)-835-1934 voice bownesrm@beowulf.uucp {uunet!crdgw1,uunet!ssi}!beowulf!bownesrm ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 90 21:22:47 GMT From: crdgw1!beowulf!bownesrm@uunet.uu.net (Waiting for the Sun) Subject: Looking for a working Micropiolis Disk Controller B Message-ID: <1826@beowulf.UUCP> howdy, Some time ago I trashed most of the boards in my Altair 8800a with a bad power supply. I've managed to fix most of them, but cannot seem to get the old Micropolis disk controller to come back to life. Anyone out there got one they'd be willing to part with? Thanks, bob "Reading legal mush can turn your brain to guacamole." - Commodore/Amiga Manual Bob Bownes, aka iii, aka keptin comrade doktor bobwrench 874 Kari Dr, Eau Claire (Oh Claire!) Wisc, 54701 (715)-835-1934 voice bownesrm@beowulf.uucp {uunet!crdgw1,uunet!ssi}!beowulf!bownesrm -- "Reading legal mush can turn your brain to guacamole." - Commodore/Amiga Manual Bob Bownes, aka iii, aka keptin comrade doktor bobwrench 874 Kari Dr, Eau Claire (Oh Claire!) Wisc, 54701 (715)-835-1934 voice bownesrm@beowulf.uucp {uunet!crdgw1,uunet!ssi}!beowulf!bownesrm ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 90 18:17:03 GMT From: dogie.macc.wisc.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!umich!sharkey!cfctech!teemc!ka3ovk!ki4pv!cdin-1!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cps3xx!cpsvax!smithda@decwrl.dec.com (J. Daniel Smith) Subject: Reading CPM disks from DOS Message-ID: <6516@cps3xx.UUCP> Does anyone have a program that allows one to read CP/M disks from a DOS machine (PC/XT). I have heard there is such a beast at simtel20, but that seems to be a very busy site and I can't ever get through with anonymous FTP. If someone has such a beast could you send it to me (UUENCODE or btoa). Thanks for the help, Dan ========================================================================= J. Daniel Smith Internet: smithda@cpsvax.cps.msu.edu Michigan State University BITNET: smithdan@msuegr East Lansing, Michigan Usenet: uunet!frith!smithda God created the integers; all the rest is the work of man. - Leopold Kronecker ========================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 90 03:09:26 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!csfst1@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Charles S. Fuller) Subject: Thanks (re: JRT Pascal doc) Message-ID: <22444@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Thanks to everyone in the group who helped me to find docs for JRT Pascal, and especially to the gentleman who mailed them to me. [I've omitted his name on purpose to protect him from an onslaught of "me-too's".] Thanks again. Chuck Fuller ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 90 15:51:33 GMT From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!texbell!ficc!peter@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Peter da Silva) Subject: vt52/vt100 emulation on TVI802 Message-ID: We have some Televideo 802 CP/M boxes that we use as dumb terminals. We need to talk to a VAX running VAX/VMS, and provide full-screen modes for it. Does anyone have a kermit or other emulation that will provide a more complete vt52/vt100 emulation on the 802. At the least we need keypad and cursor key emulation. -- _--_|\ Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. . / \ \_.--._/ Xenix Support -- it's not just a job, it's an adventure! v "Have you hugged your wolf today?" `-_-' ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #32 ************************************ 22-Feb-90 11:39:18-MST,9727;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 22-Feb-90 11:29:39 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 90 11:29:39 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #33 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 22 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 33 Today's Topics: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Any Morrow (s100) owners out there? Curiosity... Curiosity... Plus Robin update Question re:IMSAI 8080 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Feb 90 09:51:33 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdsu!crash!mwilson@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Marc Wilson) Subject: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Message-ID: <1616@crash.cts.com> The SCSI host adapter from Ampro gives you a true SCSI bus port. It supports devices 0-7, can operate in either initiator or target mode, etc. The NCR 5380 SCSI chip is used. To this you need to connect a SCSI HD controller. Personally, I recommend Adaptec products. I use an Adaptec 5500 controller ( which has many, MANY more features than the BIOS supports ), but the 4000A will work quite nicely. The BIOS directly supports the following: Adaptec ACB400A ( although any Adaptec will work ) Shugart 1610 Xebec 1410/1410A It also supports the following drives with embedded controllers: Xebec OWL These are what are mentioned in the documentation. The main differences between controllers are usually in the format command, and in the device initialize command ( what Adaptec calles Mode Select ). If you need to, you can modify Ampro's format program to handle anything you want. If you want to boot from the HD, you need an auto-initialize controller. The ones currently supported by the SCSI ROM are the Adaptec and Shugart controllers, along with the OWL. There is also a non-Ampro enhancement to the ROM which supports the non-initialize controllers. The host adapter is Ampro P/N A74007-C. They don't manufacture it any more, so they're limited to stock on hand. When I bought mine ( end of '88 ) Rick Lehrbaum told me "we only have a few left." Since then, I've heard nothing. I've used this LB/Z80 for over two years ( I bought it used in '87 ). The guy I bought it from assembled it from the kit. He never had any problems, either. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 90 07:41:46 GMT From: pyramid!omni!curt@hplabs.hp.com (Curt Mayer) Subject: Any Morrow (s100) owners out there? Message-ID: <1771@omni.omni.com> In article <1529@shell.shell.com> svh@shell () writes: >I've just bought a Morrow S-100 Z80 computer with a 16M hard drive >and 5.25" floppy. This beast has a "Wunderbuss" that has a real >time clock, and several serial channels out. you have a Decision 1. MD-{1,2,3,11,34, etc) are single board computers. i have 2 of these suckers and they have a very nice floppy controller and a fairly surreal cpu card (z80 with mmu). >Since I can read hard/soft sector disks, I think there should be >or must have been a utility to read NorthStar disks on this machine. if you have the morrow cp/m for this sucker, you should be able to read northstar hard sector 5.25 inch disks directly. the most current cbios i have seen is version 3.1E. >Has anyone installed DateStamper for this machine? no, but i am interested in this as well. in addition, i would like source code to a date/time stamper to add to my heavily hacked cpm-86. >I also have a 256K RAM card that was intended for use with >Micronix - a Z80 UNIX. I'd like to check out CP/M 3.0. Has >anyone ported to this machine? Alternatively, does anyone have >a RAMDISK driver for the expansion memory? ron jacobs, an ex-morrow employee will gladly sell you for a few bucks, a ramdisk driver. his last phone number was: (415) 525-0212 (berkeley, california). >Finally, has anyone upped the hard drive to a workable size? it should be possible, given cbios and mwformat source. i have both, if you tell me where to send it. (or, i could e-mail it to you) (legal eagles: is this legit? morrow is no more) >Steven V. Hovater Shell Development Company (713) 663-2711 (work) >svh%shell.uucp@sun.com > or svh%shell.uucp@rice.edu curt mayer, kernel hacker home: 415-923-9104 work: 415-966-1024 x 216 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1990 08:24 MST From: "Frank J. Wancho" Subject: Curiosity... Message-ID: I'm curious about Simtel20... Where is it, how did it get started, what type of system, os, etc??? Electronic addresses don't lend themselves to maps. (That's why my disclamier is what it is.) Here is the short answer. If there's enough interest, I'll post a much longer version which explains the complete history. SIMTEL20 is located at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico, about 40 miles north of El Paso, Texas. It was originally procured to do Scientific and Engineering work with access to net resources for the Hybrid Computer Facility in the Simulation and Teleprocessing Branch. The SIMTEL20 name is a contraction of that branch name and the fact that it is a DECSYSTEM-20 running the TOPS-20 operating system. It was installed seven years ago, in February, 1983, and was finally connected to the net in August 1983. When the Macsyma Consortium was dissolved in September 1983, SIMTEL20 inherited the CP/M collection we started on the MIT-MC host in 1979. To that has since been added several large collections, including the canned SIG/M, CP/MUG, and PC/Blue collections as well as our own MSDOS, Ada, Unix/C, and Macintosh collections, plus the mail archives for 22 mailing lists. The primary purpose of SIMTEL20 is to provide network mailbox service to scattered users in DoD, Federal agencies, and their contractors for an annual flat fee. For those users, we provide a stop-gap service until they obtain their own local network host. Until about a year and a half ago, those fees were the primary source of income which made SIMTEL20 self-sustaining, including the maintenance of the collections. Except for the funding of a disk drive to hold the Unix/C collection from another Army agency, LSSA, in 1985, and the partial funding of the Ada collection maintenance in the past by the STARS Project office, the collections are unfunded. The maintenance of the collections is operated under one of the charters of the DARCOM Microcomputer Software Sharing System proposed in 1982 and initially funded by several DARCOM (now AMC, Army Materiel Command) organizations. We are seeking other sources of funding to keep this operation alive. --Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 90 08:27 EST From: Brainwave Surfer Subject: Curiosity... Plus Robin update Dear Netland, Info is still coming in on adding hard disks, some specific to Robins, most Z80 based CPM generic. I'll pass it on soon, and if more than 5-10 people want it, it will be posted!! I'm curious about Simtel20... Where is it, how did it get started, what type of system, os, etc??? Electronic addresses don't lend themselves to maps. (That's why my disclamier is what it is.) Please, if any answers would endanger us and Simtel20 from evil hackers I'm sure we all would rather operate in ignorance!!!!!! Maybe Keith Petersen would be so kind as to enlighten us newcomers! /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew AGNEW@VCURUBY.BITNET, / > || Neurosurgery, AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU /\_/ ' \ '/ MCV-VCU This disk will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, Va five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 90 17:18:19 GMT From: imagen!atari!portal!portal!cup.portal.com!Gregory@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory Paul Spear) Subject: Question re:IMSAI 8080 Message-ID: <27185@cup.portal.com> I have an Imsai 8080 with both 5 1/4 & 8 inch drives. I want to know if anybody has information on where I can get a copy of CP/M for it. I think there is a copy of Forth, but I'd rather run CP/M. It's been in storage for about 10 years and I'm considering resurrecting it. Thanks Greg Spear @ Portal ------------------------------ Date: Wed Feb 21 19:27:55 1990 From: seaeast!jeff@uunet.UU.NET (Jeffrey Foy) Message-ID: Subject: 8251a and Qterm 4.2g To: nwnexus!uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!info-cpm Date: Wed, 21 Feb 90 19:27:54 EST From: Jeffrey Foy X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL8] Does anyone have a Qterm patch file that is for computers with 8251a USARTS and 8430 baud-rate generators? If so, please to mail it to me at the address below... Thank you! Jeff - uunet!rutgers!seaeast!jeff ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #33 ************************************ 23-Feb-90 13:56:37-MST,6016;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 23-Feb-90 13:46:24 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 90 13:46:24 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #34 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 23 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 34 Today's Topics: Adaptec Products Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Need help with DOS interrupts!!!!! Qterm patch for C128 Question re:IMSAI 8080 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Feb 90 17:34:53 PST From: rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov (Roger Hanscom) Subject: Adaptec Products Message-ID: <9002230134.AA07809@lll-lcc.llnl.gov> Marc Wilson says: > Personally, I recommend Adaptec products. I'd like to add a strong "second" here. I purchased a 400A last year at an unbelievably low price from a liquidator. I'm at a loss to explain the low price except that perhaps these things were discontinued? Anyhow, it came with almost no documentation, so I prepared myself for the documen- tation "run-around". Boy, was I ever wrong!! When I called Adaptec in Milpitas, they told me mail $5 to a special mail stop at Adaptec and include the model number of the product I was seeking documentation for. I got a *very* complete manual back in less than a week. It included a schematic for a host adapter and source code fragments (Z80 asm) for a cbios. I was amazed! We should cherish organizations that treat their customers like this. It appeared that *any* manual on an Adaptec product could be had for $5. That's saying a lot for this day and age! roger rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 90 19:19:55 GMT From: att!cbnewsh!hoswjc!wjc@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Carpenter) Subject: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Message-ID: On 22 Feb 90 09:51:33 GMT, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) said: mwilson> The SCSI host adapter from Ampro gives you a true SCSI mwilson> bus port. It supports devices 0-7, can operate in either mwilson> initiator or target mode, etc. The NCR 5380 SCSI chip is mwilson> used. How much trouble would it be to get the Little Board SCSI to work with a SCSI tape drive? I'm sort of naive on the subject, but I reckon after you have the SCSI adaptor, it's mostly a matter of software. Has it already been done? -- Bill Carpenter att!ho5cad!wjc or attmail!bill ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 90 01:21:33 GMT From: uoft02!grx0767@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Need help with DOS interrupts!!!!! Message-ID: <582.25e449cd@uoft02.utoledo.edu> hi there, i have an important question. i hope that someone out there can help me!!! i am trying to replace some interrupt vectors in the interrupt table, using the INT 21H interrupt call. i was trying to use int 21h with AH=35H and AL=09H (trying to replace the keyboard function/response) and insert the address of my own routine by using INT 21H with AH=25H and AL=09H. the problem is that when i run it it pukes and locks up the system, all interrupts are disabeled. this is not the result that i want!! ;') i know that it is getting locked up within the interrupt itself and not in another part of my code. any suggestion that anyone could offer i would greatly appreciate. please remember though, i am trying to do this with the INT 21H interrupt call. thanks in advance, janet cscon103@uoft02.utoledo.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Feb 90 19:11 CST From: Doctor WHO <483882319@UWPLATT.EDU> Subject: Qterm patch for C128 Message-ID: I recently got QTERM 4.2g from Simtel-20. It looks like a very good program. However, the patch for the Commodore 128 in the QTPATCH.LBR file is for QTERM 4.1e and they are not compatible. I'm VERY new to CP/M and don't know enough about assembly to modify the Kaypro patch that is included in the QTERM42G.LBR file. Is there anyone out there with a QTERM 4.2g patch for the C128? Perferably one with a descent keyboard map for arrow keys and the keypad. But if no one has one with a good keyboard map, I'll settle for one that will just make the program work. Thanks in advance. You can mail me directly at 483882319@UWPLATT - Bitnet 483882319@UWPLATT.EDU - Internet Cory Hug ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 90 12:47:15 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!texbell!inebriae!bill@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bill Kennedy) Subject: Question re:IMSAI 8080 Message-ID: <601@inebriae.UUCP> In article <27185@cup.portal.com> Gregory@cup.portal.com (Gregory Paul Spear) writes: >I have an Imsai 8080 with both 5 1/4 & 8 inch drives. I want to know [ looking for 5.25: CP/M for the Imsai ] >in storage for about 10 years and I'm considering resurrecting it. >Thanks > >Greg Spear @ Portal If it has been stored that long, be *VERY* careful powering it up. You might consider covering it with a thick blanket or something, the caps in the power supply have been known to explode when powered up for the first time in a long time. Not all of them, but some have. It's more of a mess and disappointment than a danger if you'll leave the lid on and cover it with something. The older power supply (upright caps, wired on top) was the worst offender, but I'd be careful with either. -- Bill Kennedy {texbell,att,cs.utexas.edu,sun!daver}!ssbn!bill bill@ssbn.WLK.COM or attmail!ssbn!bill ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #34 ************************************ 25-Feb-90 11:30:37-MST,10202;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 90 11:15:22 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #35 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 25 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 35 Today's Topics: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk (2 msgs) Call for Altruists. Micro Cornicopuia (3 msgs) Need help with DOS interrupts!!!!! Prices for used Kaypros and other CP/M computers. (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Feb 90 01:45:03 GMT From: orc!mipos3!cadev5!dbraun@decwrl.dec.com (Doug Braun ~) Subject: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Message-ID: <1688@mipos3.intel.com> In article william_j_carpenter@ATT.COM (Bill Carpenter) writes: >How much trouble would it be to get the Little Board SCSI to work with >a SCSI tape drive? I'm sort of naive on the subject, but I reckon >after you have the SCSI adaptor, it's mostly a matter of software. >Has it already been done? I have a home-built host adapter on my home-build Z280 system, and I have used it to run a Memtec 20 Meg cassette tape drive with a SCSI controller card. It worked very well. (I now have the drive hooked up to a PC). The only thing is that these drives are streaming, so they like to get data in long bursts. I used a 32K buffer in a port of unix "tar", and it was very handy for backing up hard disks. I wish I had another drive, so I could swap tapes between the Z280 and the PC. Because I had already written a SCSI driver for the hard disk, it was easy to make it generic, to perform a SCSI transaction for any device. I.e: status = scsiop(busid, cptr, dptr, dlen); Where busid is 1 to 7, cptr points to the command bytes, dptr points to the data buffer, and dlen is size of the buffer. The routine figures out how long the commnd is, and which way the data is going. SCSI stuff is fun. (but ask me about my 9-track CP/M tape drive) Doug Braun Intel Corp CAD 408 765-4279 / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev4!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / or: dbraun@cadev4.intel.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 90 11:20:38 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Ampro Little Board w/Hard Disk Message-ID: <1645@crash.cts.com> In article william_j_carpenter@ATT.COM (Bill Carpenter) writes: >How much trouble would it be to get the Little Board SCSI to work with >a SCSI tape drive? I'm sort of naive on the subject, but I reckon >after you have the SCSI adaptor, it's mostly a matter of software. >Has it already been done? There is software available from Ampro to do backups to a tape drive interfaced over the SCSI bus. I dunno how well it works; I haven't tried it 'cause I don't have a tape drive. If you want random access, I'd have to say no. Streaming tape? Almost certainly. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 90 21:09:50 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (A Magic minstrel.) Subject: Call for Altruists. Message-ID: <5782.25e5a69f@vax1.tcd.ie> Is there anyone out there with either a Northstar Advantage or an OSBORNE 1, who would be willing to help me 'get started' on the two machines, I am looking particularily for sources of hardware/software and some techy information. Replies in email please to JFSENIOR@vax1.tcd.ie Thanks. J. The statement below this is true. The statement above this is false. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 90 03:06:59 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ser@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Shawn E. Riggins) Subject: Micro Cornicopuia Message-ID: <2613@sactoh0.UUCP> I own a Kaypro IV '84 and I am wondering if Micro Cornicoupia is still in business. If so, are they still catering to CP/M Kaypros? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shawn Riggins A.K.A. The Starrigger | "Jake, you know how these whoppers get E-Mail Address: ser@sactoh0.UUCP | started. Alien booz in human stomachs. AT&T: (916)988-1906 | Accidental chemically induced insanity." ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 90 16:33:35 GMT From: bu.edu!m2c!wpi!ggray@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (Gary P Gray) Subject: Micro Cornicopuia Message-ID: <9066@wpi.wpi.edu> In article <2613@sactoh0.UUCP> ser@sactoh0.UUCP (Shawn E. Riggins) writes: >I own a Kaypro IV '84 and I am wondering if Micro Cornicoupia is >still in business. If so, are they still catering to CP/M Kaypros? Yes, Micro Cornicoupia is still in buisness, and one of the best programming journals out there (like DDJ, Byte, and Creative COmputing used to be.) They occasionally (from about the 5 issues I have) do have a CPM column, but I don't think it's on any kind of permenant basis. They do carry ads from places that sell/service Kaypros though. -- -- WARNING!!! The above opinions may be HAZARDOUS or FATAL if swallowed!!! -- And now, in case you missed the actual content of this post here is a summary of all the important points: ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 90 21:43:37 GMT From: hub!crmeyer@ucsd.edu Subject: Micro Cornicopuia Message-ID: <4069@hub.UUCP> In article <2613@sactoh0.UUCP>, ser@sactoh0.UUCP (Shawn E. Riggins) writes... >I own a Kaypro IV '84 and I am wondering if Micro Cornicoupia is >still in business. If so, are they still catering to CP/M Kaypros?> Great Magazine ! They are still around. I believe they still offer PD software disks for Kaypro CP/M computers (I just wrote them about it). I'll post when I find out. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 90 03:15:02 GMT From: imagen!atari!portal!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: Need help with DOS interrupts!!!!! Message-ID: <27264@cup.portal.com> In artical <582.25e449cd@uoft02.utoledo.edu> janet cscon103euoft02.utoledo.edu asks: ----- hi there, i have an important question. i hope that someone out there can help me!!! i am trying to replace some interrupt vectors in the interrupt table, using the INT 21H interrupt call. i was trying to use int 21h with AH=35H and AL=09H (trying to replace the keyboard function/response) and insert the address of my own routine by using INT 21H with AH=25H and AL=09H. the problem is that when i run it it pukes and locks up the system, all interrupts are disabeled. this is not the result that i want!! ;') i know that it is getting locked up within the interrupt itself and not in another part of my code. any suggestion that anyone could offer i would greatly appreciate. please remember though, i am trying to do this with the INT 21H interrupt call. thanks in advance, janet cscon103@uoft02.utoledo.edu ----- Perhaps if you posted your message to comp.sys.ibm instead of comp.os.cpm, you would get a better response. Since Im still using CP/M these days, I have no contact with the MS-DOS world, and prefer it that way. Maybe some of the other people who subscribe to this newsgroup feel the same way. . +------------------------------------------+---------------------+ | Billy D'Augustine (201)989-8161 | The author is not | | Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com | responsable for | | sun!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth | typgraphic errors! | +------------------------------------------+---------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 90 05:10:08 GMT From: ubc-cs!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Curt Sampson) Subject: Prices for used Kaypros and other CP/M computers. Message-ID: <1197@mindlink.UUCP> Over the last few months we've had a recent plummet in the prices of used CP/M Kaypros. I recently bought a Kaypro 4 '84 with the internal modem in very good condition for $200 (which is about the price of two new DSDD drives up here). Is this typical of prices for CP/M boxes all over? Or is it just around here. -CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP ) ("Oh no! Who erased /usr/games/fortune? Now I can't post messages...") ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 90 17:26:54 GMT From: hub!crmeyer@ucsd.edu Subject: Prices for used Kaypros and other CP/M computers. Message-ID: <4077@hub.UUCP> In article <1197@mindlink.UUCP>, a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes... >Over the last few months we've had a recent plummet in the prices of used CP/M >Kaypros... I recently saw a Kaypro II with a daisywheel printer for $150 in the newspaper. This seems a bit low, however.. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 90 05:10:08 GMT From: ubc-cs!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Curt Sampson) Subject: Prices for used Kaypros and other CP/M computers. Message-ID: <1197@mindlink.UUCP> Over the last few months we've had a recent plummet in the prices of used CP/M Kaypros. I recently bought a Kaypro 4 '84 with the internal modem in very good condition for $200 (which is about the price of two new DSDD drives up here). Is this typical of prices for CP/M boxes all over? Or is it just around here. -CJS ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP ) ("Oh no! Who erased /usr/games/fortune? Now I can't post messages...") ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #35 ************************************ 28-Feb-90 23:27:27-MST,6636;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 28-Feb-90 23:17:30 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 23:17:30 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #36 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 28 Feb 90 Volume 90 : Issue 36 Today's Topics: Continued support of RCP/M Royal Oak Prices for used Kaypros and other CP/M computers. (2 msgs) Several questions TMS 40L44 MEMORY CHIPS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1990 22:08 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Continued support of RCP/M Royal Oak Message-ID: Thanks to your support, RCP/M Royal Oak continues to be accessable via PC Pursuit and Starlink outdial services via our forwarding phone in Detroit. The Detroit number is: 313-884-0405 Our regular number continues as well: 313-759-6569 RCP/M Royal Oak offers many of SIMTEL20's CP/M files. The system is equipped with a USRobotics HST modem which supports 300, 1200, 2400, and 9600 (HST) bps. It has 64 megabytes of hard disk storage arranged as 10 logical drives. Bob Clyne and I appreciate the letters we have received. We're sorry that the post office previously returned some letters as undeliverable. Because of this we have discontinued the use of Detroit Download Central's P.O. box. Bob Clyne now has his own P.O. box. Please use this address: Robert Clyne P.O. Box 4183 Center Line, MI 48015-4183 Bob requests that all correspondence and support be addressed to his name, rather than the RCP/M or to me, in order to avoid delivery problems. Please let me know if you have any problems with the forwarding phone number. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's CP/M, MSDOS, & MISC archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.arpa BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1 Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 90 15:11:24 GMT From: amdahl!rtech!squid!sergio@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Sergio Aponte) Subject: Prices for used Kaypros and other CP/M computers. Message-ID: <4857@rtech.rtech.com> In article <4077@hub.UUCP> crmeyer@voodoo.ucsb.edu writes: >In article <1197@mindlink.UUCP>, a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes... >>Over the last few months we've had a recent plummet in the prices of used CP/M >>Kaypros... > >I recently saw a Kaypro II with a daisywheel printer for $150 in the >newspaper. This seems a bit low, however.. I just bought mine (Kaypro II '84 + modem port) for $40 (!), but then I don't think the guy knew what he had. Next weekend he had another one (Kaypro II, pre-84, no modem), this time he wanted $60, I turned him down. He said he had 3 of them and was trying to sell one at a time to get the most of them. I thought about buying it (spare parts, re-sale), but did not want to give in to the price hike. Could it also have to do (pricing) with availability and demand? It seems many people don't know what they are and won't run the risk of being stuck with an anchor, and the people that know what they are are aware that parts and support are getting scarce... BTW, I think I need a couple of drives. Will any "single side" flopy drive do? (In other words, are this drives PC and Kaypro compatible or are they a special kind?). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Internet: sergio@squid.rtech.com Sergio L. Aponte, MTS @ Ingres Corp. | | UUCP: {sun,mtxinu,pyramid,pacbell,hoptoad,amdahl,cpsc6a}!rtech!squid!sergio | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 90 06:54:00 GMT From: dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!darth!insight!bhh@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Brian Hughes) Subject: Prices for used Kaypros and other CP/M computers. Message-ID: <38.25EBB462@insight.FIDONET.ORG> > From: a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) > Date: 24 Feb 90 05:10:08 GMT > Over the last few months we've had a recent plummet in > the prices of used CP/M > Kaypros. I recently bought a Kaypro 4 '84 with the > internal modem in very good > condition for $200 (which is about the price of two > new DSDD drives up here). > Is this typical of prices for CP/M boxes all over? Or > is it just around here. Curt, I just arranged to purchase a Molecular 32 (CP/M) with 60 mg HD, tape backup, 4 terminals with enough internal boards for 12 users for $400.00. I'm also buying, from the same fellow, an Altos with 40 mg HD and tape backup 4 user system for $100.00. I think CP/M machines have hit rock bottom. For simple word processing and modeming, they seem to be the best deal in town. -- FidoNet : 1:129/65.1 Insight BBS UUCP/SEAdog/Kitten (412) 487-3701 UUCP : ..pitt!darth!insight!bhh : ..{psuvax1|decvax|cadre|}!idis!insight!bhh : bhh@insight.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 90 22:45:12 GMT From: m2c!wpi!ggray@husc6.harvard.edu (Gary P Gray) Subject: Several questions Message-ID: <9107@wpi.wpi.edu> Several short questions: A) Is ZCPR a public domain (or shareware) program? B) Is ZCPR worth bothering with on a non-hardisk system (i.e. Osborne exec) C) Is Turbo Pascal still available for CPM? D) What is the bye program? Thanks. -- -- WARNING!!! The above opinions may be HAZARDOUS or FATAL if swallowed!!! -- "I thought I was the Balley Table king/ | Gary Gray -- ggray@wpi.wpi.edu But I just handed my pinball crown to him" | GEnie: GGRAY6 | ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 90 21:18:30 GMT From: farris@marlin.nosc.mil (Russell H. Farris) Subject: TMS 40L44 MEMORY CHIPS Message-ID: <1333@marlin.NOSC.MIL> Does anyone know if Texas Instruments TMS 40L44 chips are interchangeable with 4164s or 4264s? Thanks, Russ Farris (farris@marlin.nosc.mil) (619) 553-4129 Code 444 Naval Ocean System Center "as for Gunnar I cannot speak, San Diego, Calif 92152 but his halberd is home!" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #36 ************************************