2-Jan-91 13:15:25-MST,9142;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 2-Jan-91 13:06:43 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 91 13:06:37 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #1 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910102130643.V91N1@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 2 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 1 Today's Topics: ^Z in CP/M file Looking for mailing list program for CP/M TeX for CP/M TeX under CP/M ??? (2 msgs) Unauthorized Duplication of Turbo Pascal Where can I get a KayPLUS ROM ? Zmp15 Osborne 1 Overlay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 90 18:00:14 PST From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: ^Z in CP/M file Message-ID: <00942065108F7580.00000110@dcs.simpact.com> The only way you'll get this out is by using a programming language that can read binary files - you'll then get garbage beyond the 'real' terminating ^Z; or use DDT to change the 'wrong' ^Z to something innocuous. Good luck - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 91 08:25:24 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: Looking for mailing list program for CP/M Message-ID: <9101020825.AA25546@LL.MIT.EDU> Tom Albrecht was looking for a mailing list program. If he is using the Z-System, then he should try Joe Mortenson's ZDB (Z DataBase), a small database program for just this purpose that is currently under active development. I have not used it myself, but it gets excellent reviews from callers at my Z-Node. It has probably been posted to the Z areas on SIMTEL20. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 91 00:15:48 GMT From: ulysses!rick!ahm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andy Meyer) Subject: TeX for CP/M Message-ID: <437@rick.att.com> In article <1990Dec31.185631.3764@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> bwildasi@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Wildasin) writes: > Is anyone familiar with TeX implementations for CP/M? If so, what printers > do they support? Also, are there any freely or cheaply available Emacs > editors floating around out there? Well, I can't remember where I downloaded it, but I have something called 'Small tex' by Mike Meyer (no relation!) circa 1982. I never actually set it up, but according to its users manual, it does share lots of stuff with Knuth's Tex. However, rather than using metafonts it apparently uses Fancy Font(tm) from SoftCraft for output. This information is offered merely as proof that such a thing does exist. Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE > > > > > > > > > Internet: ahm@rick.att.com "Ausgezeichnet!" < < < < < < < < < uucp: ..att!rick!ahm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 91 08:04:51 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: TeX under CP/M ??? Ben Wildasin asked for it. Ben, I am addicted to TeX and no less to CP/M. But TeX under CP/M, I wouldn't try to turn the dream into reality. TeX was originally written in WEB, with the WEB interpreter (TANGLE) producing PASCAL source code. The TeX program relies on enumerated variables in the range 0..32767? Do you know a CP/M compiler handling that? A converter WEB-to-C was then developped, that makes porting much easier. Today you can get the source for TeX in C. All implementations known to me under MSDOS starting from the C code use an internal virtual memory management because the 640k addressing space is not large enough. Even if such a management would be ported to CP/M, I do not see how the memory swapping and overlayed code and work areas could be packed in 60k of memory left on a banked system. It could be a challenge, but not something practical. DVI drivers, you ask. One could think of TeXing the document on some other machine, downloading the intermediary DVI file to a CP/M machine, and using the CP/M system to display the output. A Previewer is probably feasible under CP/M as what you need is a bit map of the screen (in some graphics mode, not all CP/M system has such a feature). And to print, but probably you would want to print on a cheap Epson-like device: there again memory bitmaps are required, and with the much higher resolution again the driver will essentially exercise the hard disk, and the user will be frustrated. It already takes FIVE MINUTES if not more to print one page of TeX output on an Epson printer with a 10 MHz 8086 processor!!!! I know only one reasonable way to TeXing under CP/M. Purchase one of those cheap PC-clones, with 640k RAM and at least 20 Mb hard disk, and a graphics card, and declare it to yourself and friends as a co-processor to the CP/M machine. As a SLAVE, the idea of keeping a PC is perhaps tolerable.... If however you NEED TeX the right machine to purchase is OF COURSE not the PC junk. What you want is an AMIGA. TeX on an Amiga outperforms just about anything existing except powerful workstations. Speed is not the main issue. With the Amiga you see the output and the input on the same screen side by side, without printing, and the turnaround to prepare a document is minimized. Too bad, it ain't CP/M.... Jacques ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 91 23:18:53 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!csc.anu.edu.au!csis!ken@uunet.uu.net (Ken Yap) Subject: TeX under CP/M ??? Message-ID: <1991Jan1.231853.14879@csis.dit.csiro.au> >Ben Wildasin asked for it. > >Ben, I am addicted to TeX and no less to CP/M. >But TeX under CP/M, I wouldn't try to turn the dream into reality. I second that. Don't even think of it. I just finished a tangle (sorry for pun) with getting TeX running on a Tandy 6000 (68k based Xenix machine) with 1 M memory and tens of Mb of disk. My major problems: Needed flexnames cpp (got free version). Needed long identifiers (used shortc and cpp). Bug in compiler for large multi-d arrays. And the sheer amount of time needed to compile and test. I would say the minimum configuration that will support TeX comfortably is 1 M memory, 20 Mb disk, flexnames C compiler with 32 integer type. Below this you'll need ugly tricks. So go buy yourself a cheap PC clone instead. Oh, if there are any t6k readers, I'll announce the diffs in the Tandy newsgroup soon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 91 08:25:12 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: Unauthorized Duplication of Turbo Pascal Message-ID: <9101020825.AA25534@LL.MIT.EDU> About a week ago (just before I left on vacation) Earl Phillips wrote: >> Someone posted a request for turbo pascal on a 5-1/4" >> disk. I have turbo pascal an both 8" and 5-1/4". Email >> me if you haven't already got it, and we'll aange to >> mail you a copy. I would like to point out that Turbo Pascal is a copyrighted program. If it were no longer available for purchase (or if this were a request for a replacement for a damaged copy), I would not post this caution. However, though no longer available from Borland, it is in current production by Alpha Systems in San Jose (and carried by my wife's company, Sage Microsystems East). -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 91 08:25:16 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: Where can I get a KayPLUS ROM ? Message-ID: <9101020825.AA25538@LL.MIT.EDU> >> Anyone know where I can pick up a KayPLUS ROM for an '83 KP-II? Emerald >> Microware's brochure describes it in glorious detail, but has a big >> "N/A" written over the price :-( I can't help you with the KayPLUS ROM, but we are slowly making progress with bringing the Plu*Perfect TurboROM back into production (since Advent has gone out of that business). -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 91 03:04:40 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!Charles.Cotham@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Charles Cotham) Subject: Zmp15 Osborne 1 Overlay Message-ID: <4957.278165BA@urchin.fidonet.org> I just received Klaus Schauer's Osborne 1 overlay for ZMP15 comm program, and uploaded it to NW Znode Houston @ 713-937-8886. Give it a try, ZMP15 by Ron Murray from Australia is a nice comm program that gives CP/M users Z modem protocal. Thanks to Klaus it now runs on the Osborne 1. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #1 *********************************** 4-Jan-91 09:27:17-MST,8538;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 91 09:18:52 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #2 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910104091908.V91N2@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 4 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 2 Today's Topics: Changes at The Computer Journal? CPM signel board computer good news Help with embedded ^Z (2 msgs) TeX under CP/M and ``TeX clones''. Trouble Installing ZSDOS on a Xerox 820-II UUCP and CPM Plus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Jan 91 17:02:51 GMT From: gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Changes at The Computer Journal? Message-ID: <61849@bbn.BBN.COM> I received a letter from Chris McEwen the other day, announcing that he was taking over Art Carlson's job as editor of The Computer Journal. He didn't get into the details, and I'd let my subscription lapse after issue #47. There was a file, either on Jay Sage's Z-Node or BCS's ZI/TEL BBS explaining what happened, but I failed to obtain a copy. Does anyone have more information? Chris McEwen alluded to health problems that finally forced Art Carlson to step down. Personally, the Z-System bias of the magazine made it less attractive for me, since I'm still struggling with a CP/M 1.3 clone (Cromemco CDOS), leaving me out of the running for a Z-System. The hardware articles were disappointing, too. Of course, *now* Chris McEwen announces that they've done an article on building a SCSI interface, and it's the in issue I just missed. . -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 91 21:08:04 GMT From: msk!@uunet.uu.net (Mark Kaplan) Subject: CPM signel board computer Message-ID: <740@msk.scs.com> Toy needs good home. Digital Research "Big Board" complete single board computer system. Designed to run CPM. Z80 with all peripherals, PIO, SIO, Clock, etc. Completely loaded with 64K RAM. It worked the last time I tried it (About 5 years ago). Needs: Power supply, terminal (or monitor and keyboard) and (2) 8" disk drives. I have a keyboard, which I have never tried. It will need some rewiring to use with this board. I used a terminal. Make an offer. (No offer too low!) Home: (201) 531-4331 Work: (201) 580-0102 ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 91 19:32:25 GMT From: kwgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Karol Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: good news Message-ID: <75182@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. I got the K10 working. Here's how (maybe someone else got a non-working one too) If you take the case off and face the HD controller board, try to locate all the mounting screws for the PCB. There should be 4. Now, look at the top-left one (nearest the face panel on top) and take it out (with a screwdriver). The problem with my K10 was that, after years of vibrations, the HD controller shifted so much as to make a resistors lead touch the grounding screw. That's why, early on, it's a just a "flakey" HD drive and only later (after many angry HITS on the right side ;-) does it fail completely... Well, all I did was put a small plastic washer on that mounting screw, formatted the drive, and let it run all night. No problems yet! [wheeeeee] Now for the question (no, not related). I would like to know more about the TurboROM. I took out the old 10MB drive and put in a 40 MB 28 ms. I UNDERSTAND that the most I can get is a speed improvement, but I want MORE :-) A person I know put in 2 10MB drives and just put a switch on the front panel so he can switch them in and out ! :-) Viola, 20MB! [grin] Take care. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 91 15:13:57 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!rex!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!prism!jm59@ucsd.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: Help with embedded ^Z Message-ID: <19135@hydra.gatech.EDU> -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 91 14:47:51 GMT From: usc!samsung!rex!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!prism!jm59@ucsd.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: Help with embedded ^Z Message-ID: <19134@hydra.gatech.EDU> ^Z? A friend disassembled the @#$% thing to learn how to get that error message. I would first try simply _editing_ your original (corrupted) file under Word Master. You should be able to see and delete the offender. (If you copied the file using a 'dumb' utility, it may have been truncated. Hope that hasn't happened.) It's been a long time since I used it, but Word Master shouldn't balk at ^Z (except for giving you some unsolicited advice). -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 91 08:01:25 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: TeX under CP/M and ``TeX clones''. I did not know that there exists or has existed anything like a stripped down TeX or something resembling TeX. IF IT EXISTS, KEEP YOUR HANDS AWAY. Because TeX is TeX only if it is TeX. This is not a joke. One of the most important FACTS about TeX, explaining at least in part its popularity in the academic community, is that THE SAME INPUT FILE PRODUCES IDENTICALLY THE SAME DOCUMENT ON ANY OUTPUT DEVICE USING ANY COMPUTER. If you use ``something like'', you will start up happy to use your CP/M machine with it. Then you will want MORE, BETTER QUALITY with a laser printer for example. You will transfer the input to another machine, and IT WON'T WORK. Unless you care for guaranteed frustration, DO NOT START. Jacques ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 1991 05:48:00 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Trouble Installing ZSDOS on a Xerox 820-II Message-ID: <" 3-Jan-91 8:48:00 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Has anyone ever installed ZSDOS (by Plu*Perfect) on a Xerox 820-II? Can it be done? I have had one heck of a time trying!!! Bridger gave me the phone number for one of the authors, but before I go bothering anyone at their home, I thought I would first check here. When I tried using INSTALOS in the normal way. I got an error message saying "Bit relocatable table not found" (or something like that). The error, when checked in the manual, said that something was probably non-standard, and suggested trying MOVCPM to create a file, and use INSTALOS with the /A option. So, I tried MOVCPM * *. I kept getting the message SYNCRONIZATION ERROR, and the computer locked up, forcing me to push the reset button. I finally reformatted the disk I was trying to put ZSDOS on, and SYSGEN'ed it from my Master System Disk. I did NOT run CONFIGUR like I normally would. Once the needed CP/M and ZSDOS files were copied over, I ran MOVCPM * * again. This time, MOVECPM worked. It would have defaulted to a filename of CPM60.SYS, but I named it SYSTEM.MDL so I could use the default in INSTALOS. At that point, I ran INSTALOS /A, and used SYSTEM.MDL. It seemed to work this time, though it came up with the following. CCP 0000H BDOS 0800H BIOS 1600H Not exactly what I was expecting for a 60K system!!! Not being happy with this, I continued on anyway, and replaced the DOS using ZSSYS.ZRL. I then SYSGENED the disk using the resulting MDL file. As expected, the computer locked up when I tried to boot it. I really don't know what to do next. Any suggestions? ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 91 23:05:29 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: Thanks for all the help the net has given. As you can see, I have now got DG's UUCP package. -- Paul Martin pm111@tharr.uucp nowster!pm@tharr.uucp ..!uunet!tharr!nowster!pm ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #2 *********************************** 6-Jan-91 15:37:46-MST,6721;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 6-Jan-91 15:26:23 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 91 15:26:23 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #3 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910106152624.V91N3@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 6 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 3 Today's Topics: good news (2 msgs) Help with embedded ^Z (2 msgs) MP/M osborne 1 to kaypro 2x Pallio still offline? Searching for XLISP Stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 91 14:30:08 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!f601.n106.z1.fidonet.org!CHARLES.COTHAM@handies.ucar.edu (CHARLES COTHAM) Subject: good news Message-ID: <5127.27855D83@urchin.fidonet.org> Karol, Leave me you address or number and I will get intouch with you about the Osborne boot disks you needed. Charles Cotham ---MSBBS V0.08 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 91 15:15:16 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!f601.n106.z1.fidonet.org!MARC.NEWMAN@handies.ucar.edu (MARC NEWMAN) Subject: good news Message-ID: <5128.27855D88@urchin.fidonet.org> > Now for the question (no, not related). I would like to > know more about the TurboROM. I took out the old 10MB drive > and put in a 40 MB 28 ms. I UNDERSTAND that the most I can > get is a speed improvement, but I want MORE :-) A person I > know put in 2 10MB drives and just put a switch on the > front panel so he can switch them in and out ! :-) Viola, > 20MB! [grin] Carol, I have a Kaypro 10 with the Advent Turbo Rom, and also the clock they used to sell, and I ADDED a 56 meg drive. The original one in it was a 10 meg 1/2 high, and it was a fairly simple matter to add another 1/2 high drive. Took a new control cable with an extra connector, a second data cable, a Y for the power cable to split off power to 2 drives, and the ROM and Formatter Advent used to sell. You would have 50 megs if you left your original drive in. There is a minor speed improvement with the Turbo Rom. I hear that since Bridger Mitchell wrote the Rom and Formatter originally, he is selling them now. Can someone else verify this? Good luck, and I will be glad to help if needed. Marc Newman ---MSBBS V0.08 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 91 15:15:45 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!rex!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!prism!jm59@ucsd.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: Help with embedded ^Z Message-ID: <19136@hydra.gatech.EDU> Sorry - Un-truncated text was: Did you get Word Master's message when you originally _entered_ the ^Z? A friend disassembled the @#$% thing to learn how to get that error message. I would first try simply _editing_ your original (corrupted) file under Word Master. You should be able to see and delete the offender. (If you copied the file using a 'dumb' utility, it may have been truncated. Hope that hasn't happened.) It's been a long time since I used it, but Word Master shouldn't balk at ^Z (except for giving you some unsolicited advice). -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 91 16:21:44 GMT From: hsdndev!spdcc!jin@CS.YALE.EDU (Jerry Natowitz) Subject: Help with embedded ^Z Message-ID: <5751@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> In article <19136@hydra.gatech.EDU> jm59@prism.gatech.EDU (MILLS,JOHN M.) writes: >... but Word Master shouldn't balk at ^Z (except for giving >you some unsolicited advice). In fact Word Master gave me no advise about the ^Z, it just refused to read the file past that point (which was in the first line, of course). I ended up using BASIC to edit the file as a random access file. -- Jerry Natowitz Guest user on: ARPA jin@ursa-major.spdcc.com UUCP {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!jin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 91 12:53 EDT From: JSHIN%HAMPVMS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: MP/M Yes, it is time for simple and mundane questions that comes up periodically. I hate to be the one, but... 1) Who created/produced/sells MP/M? I'd like to get a packet (once I get out of this broke-ness spell) and play with. While you're at it, any comments? 2) Could anyone tell me a phone number for Digital Research or whoever it is that sells CP/M for them now? DR's 800 number disappeared. Thnx! -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 91 18:39:38 EST From: rr2g@composite.ce.Virginia.EDU (Rhonda Gaines) Subject: osborne 1 to kaypro 2x Message-ID: <9101042339.AA12951@composite.ce.Virginia.EDU> I have recently acquired dbaseII for the osborne 1 and don't know how to use it on my kaypro 2x. When I put the disk in it says it can't read my diskette. Any ideas on how to convert these osborne disks to kaypro so I can use them? -thanks -- Rhonda Gaines | University of Virginia phone: 804-924-6265 | Thornton Hall bitnet: gaines@virginia.bitnet | Applied Mechanics Program internet: gaines@virginia.edu | Charlottesville, VA 22903-2442 ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 91 15:34:15 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Adam David) Subject: Pallio still offline? Message-ID: <2597@krafla.rhi.hi.is> I tried mailing to Dave Goodenough dg@pallio.UUCP and it bounced because pallio was not back in the UUCP maps. Can anyone enlighten me? Adam David. adamd@rhi.hi.is ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 91 10:31:21 PST From: "Strong data types for weak minds." Subject: Searching for XLISP Stuff Message-ID: <9101041823.AA10123@volition.pa.dec.com> Does anybody know of a BBS where I could find either: 1) an XLISP V1.2 executable '.COM file and/or 2) sources for XLISP V1.1 I need a ready-to-go '.COM for CP/M with matching sources to rebuild in another environment. Regards, rcs ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #3 *********************************** 7-Jan-91 13:22:44-MST,12936;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 13:15:07 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #4 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910107131508.V91N4@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 7 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 4 Today's Topics: Changes at TCJ (The Computer Journal) No Slot Clock for Kaypro 10 Pallio still offline? ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 14:04:01 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: Changes at TCJ (The Computer Journal) Message-ID: <9101071404.AA11545@LL.MIT.EDU> Jim Gonzalez wrote recently: >> I received a letter from Chris McEwen the other day, announcing that he >> was taking over Art Carlson's job as editor of The Computer Journal...Does >> anyone have more information? Chris is taking over not only as editor but as publisher. The complete text from an announcement file on my Z-Node is attached below. If our community is to retain this tremendously valuable resource (all the others have folded or defected), we must have new subscribers and contributors coming on board. Please give the magazine a try. >> Personally, the Z-System bias of the magazine made it less attractive for >> me, since I'm still struggling with a CP/M 1.3 clone (Cromemco CDOS), >> leaving me out of the running for a Z-System. I don't think Jim really expects TCJ to cover CP/M-1.3!! With such an old version of CP/M, Jim in not likely to find much applicable material in TCJ or anywhere else. While the CP/M coverage in TCJ is largely concerned with Z- System (after all, that is where by far most of the action is in CP/M programming), TCJ covers much more than just Z-System. We are especially looking toward expanding the coverage of embedded controllers and local area networks. The next issue will probably include articles on both (assuming I finish mine describing the controller I built to run my home's heating and electrical system). >> The hardware articles were disappointing, too. What was wrong with them, and what would you like to see? More specific comments would be more helpful. The management is very much open to suggestions! >> Of course, *now* Chris McEwen announces that they've done an article on >> building a SCSI interface, and it's the in issue I just missed. . If that is the article I am thinking of, it described a way to attach a Bernouilli box to a CP/M computer. If I could find a surplus Bernouilli box, as the author did, I'd love to try that out. Here is the set of news releases about changes at TCJ. Please note that I have no financial stake in TCJ (unless you count losing money by underwriting the cost of new subscriptions placed with Sage Microsystems East). I am strongly committed to keeping this last true hobbyist magazine alive. Besides writing my own columns, I also solicit and edit submissions from other authors. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 27 December 1990 NEWS RELEASE Art Carlson, editor and publisher of The Computer Journal (TCJ) has announced his retirement. Chris McEwen is named as the new editor and publisher. Art cites health as his reason for the change. "The past few years have been a struggle due to my personal health," Art writes. "It is time to get help. I spent a lot of time thinking about the type of person who could continue TCJ from its present base, and expand it without ruining what we have worked so hard to achieve. It had to be someone interested in our areas of computing." Chris states that no changes in format or editorial policies are anticipated. "The traditional strengths of TCJ as a technical journal--its quality articles and reader involvement--will continue. We look forward to building on the solid foundation that Art gave us." The Computer Journal publishes technical papers relating to micro computers, embedded controllers and operating systems. "Upcoming articles include use of ground as a surge sink for power line protection and assembly language programming for the high level language programmer," the new editor reports. TCJ also provides thorough coverage of the CP/M and Z-System operating systems. The journal, published six times per year, is expected to expand soon from its current 40 to 48 pages. Chris explains, "Our most recent issue went to press with just two column inches uncommitted. We have a growing backlog of good articles awaiting space." The new address for TCJ is: The Computer Journal, PO Box 12, South Plainfield, New Jersey 07080. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ TCJ ANNOUNCEMENT FREE TRIAL SUBSCRIPTIONS A subscription policy change is announced concurrent with the news release of Art Carlson's retirement from the position as editor and publisher of The Computer Journal. Previously, TCJ was available only through prepaid subscriptions. This required readers to pay prior to seeing their first issue of the journal. Effective immediately, subscriptions will be accepted without pre-payment. New subscribers will be given an opportunity to review their first issue before being asked to pay. Should you feel that TCJ is not for you, simply mark the invoice "Canceled" and return to us. Alternately, and for a limited time only, prepaid subscriptions will be given a discount of $2 per year for US subscribers or $3 per year for foreign subscribers. This offer is valid for both new subscriptions and renewals, but expires on 31 May 1991. What do you get when you subscribe to The Computer Journal? TCJ stands as the sole remaining general circulation magazine providing full support for CP/M, Z-System and 8-bit operating systems. Articles written by such Z-System notables as Jay Sage, Carson Wilson, and Bridger Mitchell appear regularly. Use of Z-System and its tools are discussed in depth. But we don't stop with that. Articles include advanced programming techniques, such as using logarithms to speed mathematical calculations. Interfacing devices on micro computers is covered, as a recent article on building an RS-422 interface showed. And real world solutions to real world problems are given: The March/April issue will have a paper describing the dangers of MOVs and using the ground line to dissipate surges in power line conditioners. If you are a CP/M or Z-System user, or if you are an advanced user of any micro computer system, you should take a look at TCJ. 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If you question if your topic is suitable for publication, please contact the publisher at the above address. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 91 12:57:12 CST From: Steve Westlund Subject: No Slot Clock for Kaypro 10 Wanted: No slot clock for Kaypro 10. I am interested in buying a no slot clock for my Kaypro 10. It is one of the earlier models without the timer or internal modem. Does anyone know of a company that still sells a no slot clock for a Z80 machine? It would be great to use in date and time stamping files on my system. Thanks, Steve Westlund C08920SW@WUVMD Washington University St. Louis, Missouri ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 91 18:29:41 GMT From: att!pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman) Subject: Pallio still offline? Message-ID: <7V8cV1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David) writes: > > I tried mailing to Dave Goodenough dg@pallio.UUCP and it bounced because pall > was not back in the UUCP maps. Can anyone enlighten me? > > Adam David. adamd@rhi.hi.is pallio may not be on the UUCP maps, but he is online. I'd have to dig out a piece of mail I got from him. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 91 14:14:13 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II Message-ID: <9101071414.AA11573@LL.MIT.EDU> Mike Sprague described his travails with getting ZSDOS installed on his Xerox computer. >> So, I tried MOVCPM * *. I kept getting the message SYNCRONIZATION ERROR, >> and the computer locked up, forcing me to push the reset button. That shows that the system you were running at the time was not one created by that version of MOVCPM, which checks the DOS serial number in the first six bytes of code. Digital Research punishes one for trying to use a 'borrowed' MOVCPM by locking up the system. >> MOVECPM ... seemed to work this time, though it came up with the >> following. >> >> CCP 0000H >> BDOS 0800H >> BIOS 1600H This may or may not be a problem. I don't remember what those values are supposed to be. I'd recommend that you look at that image file and see where the CCP, DOS, and BIOS appear. Normal SYSGEN images have them at 980H, 1180H, and 1F80H, respectively. I would also suggest that you make up a new boot disk based on the system generated by MOVCPM and make sure it works. Then go back to the ZSDOS installation. Chris McEwen at Z-Node #32 runs this stuff, I'm quite sure, on Xerox 16/8 computers. If it will work there, it should work on your simpler machine. Also, I seem to recall that the clock module menu includes something for the Xerox 820 (though I may be mistaken). Good luck. --- Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #4 *********************************** 8-Jan-91 15:28:36-MST,9070;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 91 15:16:31 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #5 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910108151637.V91N5@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 8 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: Need WordStar utility (2 msgs) osborne 1 to kaypro 2x (2 msgs) Pallio still offline? ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Jan 91 22:06:02 GMT From: autodesk!catnip!bandy@apple.com (Gun Control is Hitting Your Target) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <972@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: > Aha! Some versions of WordStar supported direct write to screen >memory on the (few) machines that had screen memory as part of >system RAM. I suspect that setting the high bit is the way the >Osborne knew to highlight the current character. Yes and no. No, WordStar for the Osborne 1 did not come configured for memory mapped video - I don't know why - it's orders of magnitude faster than going through a jillion layers of software. Yes, you could set the underline attribute by or'ing with 0x80. -- real address: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us last choice: lll-winken!catnip.berkeley.ca.us!bandy ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 91 13:59:40 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!linus!jfoster@uunet.uu.net (John Foster) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1991Jan8.135940.6289@axion.bt.co.uk> From article <972@catnip.berkeley.ca.us>, by bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Gun Control is Hitting Your Target): > wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: > > >> Aha! Some versions of WordStar supported direct write to screen >>memory on the (few) machines that had screen memory as part of >>system RAM. I suspect that setting the high bit is the way the >>Osborne knew to highlight the current character. > > Yes and no. > > No, WordStar for the Osborne 1 did not come configured for memory mapped > video - I don't know why - it's orders of magnitude faster than going through > a jillion layers of software. > > Yes, you could set the underline attribute by or'ing with 0x80. > -- > real address: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us > last choice: lll-winken!catnip.berkeley.ca.us!bandy Actually, WordStar on the Osborne 1 didn't come configured for any of the features of the machine; it was just shipped as plain vanilla, as far as I could ever tell. For example, the arrow keys on the machine were set up to deliver CP/M codes, and you had to do a messy setup operation to switch back and forth between those and the codes that WordStar expected. I found it much easier to use after I dug into the customisation info, and set the screen help delays etc to what I thought were sensible values. I also found and published a patch for the arrow keys problem, but that's a longer story ... | John Foster, DNR3.14, Room G44C, SSTF, British Telecom Research Labs, | | Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, UK. | | Phone: +44 473 646019 Fax: +44 473 643019 Telex: 987137 | ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 91 21:29:40 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!ogicse!pdxgate!parsely!percy!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@ucsd.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: osborne 1 to kaypro 2x Message-ID: <1991Jan6.212940.5315@techbook.com> In article <9101042339.AA12951@composite.ce.Virginia.EDU> rr2g@COMPOSITE.CE.VIRGINIA.EDU (Rhonda Gaines) writes: >I have recently acquired dbaseII for the osborne 1 and don't know >how to use it on my kaypro 2x. When I put the disk in it says it >can't read my diskette. Any ideas on how to convert these osborne >disks to kaypro so I can use them? there is a program for the kaypro called mfdisk, which is supposed to allow you to set one of your disk drives to the osborne format, as well as format a disk in that format. while i have not tried it myself, i would guess that it works. there is a selection in that utility that is supposed to let you read/ write, and format an ibm pc disk, but i haven't been able to get that to work. would it be safe to assume that only works for cp/m 86 and not msdos?? (msdos has a very different directory structure than cp/m. perhaps it works with msdos 1.xx or so...) -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 91 07:25:59 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!vax1.sara.nl!hasara11!a512janw@uunet.uu.net (Jan Wim Wesselius) Subject: osborne 1 to kaypro 2x Message-ID: <91007.234442A512JANW@HASARA11.BITNET> > I have recently acquired dbaseII for the osborne 1 and don't know > how to use it on my kaypro 2x. When I put the disk in it says it > can't read my diskette. Any ideas on how to convert these osborne > disks to kaypro so I can use them? > Rhonda Gaines | University of Virginia With my Kaypro-2 came a program which enabled it to read Osborne disks. If the only problem is the disk format that should solve it. I suppose you can get it from another Kaypro owner, as it came bundled with your machine and you have some sort of right to it. If, however, dbaseII needs to be customized for use on a particular CP/M machine, it will not be that easy, I am afraid :-( (I simply do not know) Jan Wim Wesselius - University of Amsterdam A512JANW@HASARA11 / WESSELIUS@SARA.NL ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 91 18:18:48 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: Pallio still offline? Message-ID: <1583@tharr.UUCP> Dave Goodenough is at dg%pallio@wet.uucp or ...!wet!pallio!dg -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. Paul Martin. pm111@tharr.uucp INTERNET: pm111%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 1991 14:15:45 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II Message-ID: <" 7-Jan-91 17:15:45 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Jay, thanks much for the info!!! >> So, I tried MOVCPM * *. I kept getting the message >> SYNCRONIZATION ERROR, and the computer locked up, forcing >> me to push the reset button. > That shows that the system you were running at the time was > not one created by that version of MOVCPM, which checks the > DOS serial number in the first six bytes of code. Digital > Research punishes one for trying to use a 'borrowed' MOVCPM > by locking up the system. Hmmmm, seems strange that DR would try to keep you from using MOVCPM, when it *seems* to be standard utility on a CP/M System Disk. Odd! I'm not sure if that was the case here, however. My normal System/Boot disk was created using the original System/Boot disk. Using my normal System/Boot disk, I had formatted, sysgen'ed, and configured the disk on which I was trying to put ZSDOS. MOVCPM is not on my normal System/Boot disk, because it's something I never use (normally). I grabbed MOVCPM for the ZSDOS disk from the original system/boot disk. (And yes, I do have a backup of the original system disk :-) Does this then mean that only a disk formatted and sysgened by the original System/Boot disk can be used by MOVCPM? Or does this mean that the version of MOVCPM supplied with my System/Boot disk is useless with that disk? I was wondering if the problem was in that I had configured the system. Xerox supplied a utility called CONFIGUR which allows you to set the defaults upon booting. Things like the floppy drive step rate (the default 30mS is a tad slow), options for the serial ports, 7 or 8 bit keyboard, and things like that. I usually run it when I sysgen a disk, to set a faster floppy step rate, changed the printer to 9600 baud, and the keyboard to 8 bits. > Chris McEwen at Z-Node #32 runs this stuff, I'm quite sure, on > Xerox 16/8 computers. If it will work there, it should work on > your simpler machine. Chuckle it's the same machine, not a simpler one. A 16/8 is nothing more than an 820-II with the 16/8 board (8086 CPU w/128K RAM) installed!! The software is slightly different, in that you get CP/M, CP/M-80 and CP/M-86. CP/M-80 itself might be more complex than CP/M, in that it is meant for concurrent operation with the 16/8's CP/M-86. Even so, when you boot the machine, your booting CP/M, not CP/M-80. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #5 *********************************** 8-Jan-91 22:24:37-MST,13948;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 91 22:15:07 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #6 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910108221508.V91N6@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 8 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 6 Today's Topics: good news Help with embedded ^Z Is MIX C still available for cp/m? TCJ 1990 Article List (200+ lines) Zmp15 Osborne 1 Overlay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jan 91 16:25:47 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucsd.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: good news Message-ID: > Now for the question (no, not related). I would like to > know more about the TurboROM. I took out the old 10MB drive > and put in a 40 MB 28 ms. I UNDERSTAND that the most I can > get is a speed improvement, but I want MORE :-) A person I > know put in 2 10MB drives and just put a switch on the > front panel so he can switch them in and out ! :-) Viola, > 20MB! [grin] > The TurboROM is now being marketed and supported by Sage Microsystems East. Contact Jay Sage, uucp address sage@LL.MIT.EDU. TurboROM (or another ROM upgrade) is required on a K-10 in order to access more than one hd of 10MB. TurboROM allows a total of 2 hard drives of up to 56MB each (simultaneously, no switches!). In addition, it provides a type-ahead keyboard buffer, a built in screen dump, cursor configuration, built in screen blanking after 10 minutes of nonuse, onscreen time display if you have a built in clock (some K-10's do), auto-detection of a variety of floppy disk formats (many more using Plu*Perfect's MULTICOPY), support for time/date stamping of files (requires Plu*Perfect DateStamper), and last and possibly not least, support for up to 4 floppy drives. I guess that about sums it up. I hope it's OK to post this. I don't make any money off of TurboROM, but use one in my personal K-10 and also in my BBS K-10. I'm happy to see that Jay has picked up the ball on this one. Lindsay Haisley "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 91 00:06:21 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucsd.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Help with embedded ^Z Message-ID: jin@spdcc.COM (Jerry Natowitz) writes: > I was adding some control characters to a text file for a printer and, > without realising the consequences, added a control Z in the first line > of the file. > > I've tryed using pip thus: > >pip > *a.a=b.b[osStuff^Z] > > Where "Stuff" is a string that occurs in the second block of the file. > > No luck, Word Master still won't edit the file. I don't have a lot of > the utilities around, BASIC-80 and PIP usually do the trick. I tryed > reading the file in BASIC, no luck. > > Any help would be appreciated ... > -- > Jerry Natowitz > Guest user on: > ARPA jin@ursa-major.spdcc.com > UUCP {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!jin Your problem is a relatively simple one but requires the right tool, in this case any one of several will do. A public domain program called SZAP is available on many BBS's around which is a "binary" file editor, which is to say that it doesn't recognize ^Z as an EOF marker and allows you to change bytes anywhere in the file. An other utility which will do the job is a disk editor. Two of them DU (many versions around) and SODU (which is screen oriented and must be taylored for individual terminals) are fairly common. These programs allow you to edit disks by track and sector or by group, which is the logical data unit referenced in the CP/M directory The easiest solution, if the file is small, is to use DDT, or any other debugger, load the file into memory (it must all fit), change the offending ^Z to whatever, quit DDT and SAVE the appropriate number of pages to the filename of your choice. Lindsay Haisley "Everything works if you let it!" --- The Roadie ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 91 05:41:05 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucsd.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: <7yy3u2w163w@austex> pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: > pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: > > > gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: > > [...some stuff deleted...] > > > > > > > By the way, they claim to support the full K&R standard, including bit > > > fields plus enums and structure assignments. You may not want to use the > > > features yourself, but it's increasingly likely that you'll encounter the > > > in PD source. Just yesterday I was burned by BDS C's refusal to allow > > > static assignment of character arrays. This further complicated building > > > of sgrep from a C Users' Group diskette. I *still* prefer BDS C to Aztec > > > for stuff I need to run small and fast, though. > > > > > > On the other hand, be sure that these advertised features are actually > > > in the *CP/M* version; many commercial vendors are simply selling older > > > versions, having ceased development years ago. These often started as > > > "subset" compilers, and were done well before enums, etc. became popular. > > > Good luck. > > > > > > Oh yes, please post what you learn, particularly about the status of thei > > > CP/M support. > > > > > > -Jim. > > > I believe that BDS C is now being supported by Sage Microsystems East, and has been upgraded to be fully compatable with ZCPR3. Mail to Jay sSage can be addressed to sage@LL.MIT.EDU. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 91 22:03:58 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@apple.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: TCJ 1990 Article List (200+ lines) Message-ID: <61961@bbn.BBN.COM> I thought it might be helpful for readers to see how the mix of articles evolved over 1990. This exercise has convinced me that TCJ may, both by moving forward and stepping back, become something of great value to us humble CP/M folk. I'll talk to Jay tonight, and probably resume by subscription. -Jim. =========================================================================== The Computer Journal - 1990 Tables of Contents -- Issue #42 - January/February ------------------------------------------- Dynamic Memory Allocation Techniques for alocating memory at run time with examples in Forth. By Dreas Nielsen. Using BYE with NZCOM Getting BYE and NZCOM to peacefully coexist is not easy - here's how to do it. By Chris McEwen. C and the MS-DOS Screen CHaracter Attributes How to talk to the screen with C. By Clem Pepper. Forth Column Lists and object oriented Forth. By Dave Weinstein. The Z-System Corner Genie Roundtable discussions, BDS Z and a review of some Z-System fundamentals. By Jay Sage. 68705 Embedded Controller Application An example of a single-chip microcontroller application. By Joe Bartel. Advanced CP/M PluPerfect Writer and using BDS C with REL files. By Bridger Mitchell. Real Computing The NS 32000. [ NS32 trap mechanism, NS 32303 ICU, etc. ] By Richard Rodman. Computer Corner [ Video standards. ] By Bill Kibler. -- Issue #43 - March/April ------------------------------------------------ Standardize Your Floppy Disks Using Dysan's Diagnostic to check your floppy drives. By Eugene L. Langberg. LSH A new history shell for Z-System. By Rob Friefeld. Letwin's Prior Progeny Heath's HDOS, then and now. By Kirk L. Thompson. The Z-System Corner Software Update Service, and customizing NZCOM. By Jay Sage. Graphics Programming With C Writing graphics routines for the IBM PC, and the Turbo C graphics library. By Clem Pepper. Lazy Evaluation How to save time by ending the evaluation of logical expressions as soon as the result is known. By Marla Bartel. S-100 There's still life in the old bus. Installing a new disk controller and video board. By Michael Broschat Advanced CP/M Passing parameters when space is at a premium and complex error recover must be managed. By Bridger Mitchell. Real Computing The NS 32000. [ New NS32 Systems, More Free OS's (Xinu, Minix), etc. ] By Richard Rodman. The Computer Corner [ WESCON, Embedded Systems, Forth for PC ] By Bill Kibler. -- Issue #44 - May/June --------------------------------------------------- Animation in Turbo C Part one in this issue covers the basic tools and the Turbo C Ver. 2.0 graphics libraries. By Clem Pepper. Multitasking in Forth Implementing multitasking with New Micros F68FC11 and Max-Forth. By Matthew Mercaldo. Mytsteries of PC Floppy Disks Revealed Here's the information you need to understand FM, MFM, and the twisted cable. By Richard Rodman. DosDisk The MS-DOS disk format emulator for CP/M systems. By Daniel J. Mareck. Advanced CP/M ZMATE System programmer's editor and using lookup and dispatch for passing parameters. By Bridger Mitchell. Real Computing The NS32000. [ Benchmarks, etc. ] By Richard Rodman. Forth Column Forth news, and handling strings in Forth, By Dave Weinstein. The Z-System Corner Working with the MEX telecommunications package. By Jay Sage. The Computer Corner [ VGA, etc. ] By Bill Kibler. -- Issue #45 - July/August ------------------------------------------------ Letters Embedded Systems for the Tenderfoot Designing a Z80 RS-232 communications gateway, part 1. By Art Carlson. Advanced CP/M String searches and tuning JetFind. By Bridger Mitchell. Animation with Turbo C Part 2, screen interactions. By Clem Pepper. Real Computing The NS 32000. [ Bare Metal 0.6 announcement, etc. ] by Richard Rodman. The Computer Corner [Software development issues, EXORMACS ] By Bill Kibler. -- Issue #46 - September/October ------------------------------------------ Build a Long Distance Printer Driver When RS-232 is too slow, and the parallel port won't handle the distance, build an RS-422 parallel port. By Stuart R. Ball. Embedded Systems for the Tenderfoot Using the 8031's built-in UART for serial comunications. By Tim McDonough. Foundational Modules in Modula 2 Abstract data types and information hiding. By David L. Clarke. The Z-System Corner Patching The Word Plus spell checker, and the ZMATE macro text editor. By Jay Sage. Animation with Turbo C Ver. 2.0 Part 3: Text in the graphics mode. By Clem Pepper. Z80 Communications Gateway Part 2: Prototyping, Counter/Timers, and using the Z80 CTC. By Art Carlson. Real Computing The NS32000. [ New fax and laser printer versions, Futurebus ] By Richard Rodman. The Computer Corner By Bill Kibler. -- Issue #47 - November/December ------------------------------------------ Controlling Stepper Motors with the 68HC11F The first in a series on controlling steppers. By Matthew Mercaldo. The Z-System Corner The ZMATE Macro Command Language. By Jay Sage. Embedded Systems for the Tenderfoot Using 8031 interrupts. By Tim McDonough. T-1 What it is and why you need to know. By Richard Rodman. ZCPR3 and Modula Too Modula2 makes the Z-System connection. By David L. Clarke. Tips on Using LCDs Interfacing to the 68HC705. By Karl Lunt. Real Computing Debugging, NS32 Multitasking Trick, and Distributed Operating Systems. By Richard Rodman. Long Distance Printer Driver Corrected schematics from issue #46. ROBO-SOG 90 A report on the ROBO-SOG happenings. By Michael Thyng. The Computer Corner [ Minix (for PC and Atari ST), FORTH and the RTX (Harris micro) Design Contest ] By Bill Kibler. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 91 19:38:58 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucsd.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Zmp15 Osborne 1 Overlay Message-ID: Charles.Cotham@urchin.fidonet.org (Charles Cotham) writes: > I just received Klaus Schauer's Osborne 1 overlay for ZMP15 comm program, > and uploaded it to NW Znode Houston @ 713-937-8886. Give it a try, ZMP15 > by Ron Murray from Australia is a nice comm program that gives CP/M > users Z modem protocal. Thanks to Klaus it now runs on the Osborne 1. Thanks for the number for Znode 45. You might have noticed when you uploaded ZMP15 that the RCPM there is using RZMP16 for Zmodem u/d loads. This is a serious upgrade of ZMP15 which makes use of BYE rather than terminal overlays. The .LBR is available there as RZMP16.LBR. Thanks again to Ron Murray. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #6 *********************************** 10-Jan-91 00:34:20-MST,8470;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 00:24:29 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #7 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910110002430.V91N7@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 10 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: Help with Zenith system NorthStar Advantage Osborne1 to Kaypro 2X (3 msgs) Pointers to XLISP or RCPMs Wanted Searching for XLISP Stuff Tandon Drive docs/info ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Jan 91 15:09:15 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!milano!uudell!bigtex!texsun!newstop!eastapps!hienergy!jimv@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jim Vienneau - Sun Microsystems) Subject: Help with Zenith system Message-ID: <3832@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> I recently aquired at auction some Zenith PCs that I believe are CP/M machines, but I'm not sure. They are all-in-one boxes with a 12" green monitor, two (what look like 360K) diskette drives, a keyboard and several I/O ports on the back. Typing the "help" key at boot time displays a diagnostic menu. I did not receive any OS with these and would really appreciate hearing from anyone who knows what they are and/or has the OS for them (will pay all costs). The model number on the back is: ZFG121-32 if that means anything to you. Thanks for taking the time to read this! Any insight appreciated! Jim Vienneau, Sun Microsystems Inc - Billerica, MA Email: jvienneau@east.sun.com Amateur Radio: WB1B Good old Ma Bell (well old anyway): (508)671-0372 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 03:16:12 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Fox@apple.com (Lance W Rund) Subject: NorthStar Advantage Message-ID: <37803@cup.portal.com> Howdy... I just found a NorthStar Advantage in perfect condition. There's just one problem... no boot disk. Help? (if anyone can provide comm software, too, I'd be ever so grateful...) ...lance rund fox@portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jan 91 06:59:36 GMT From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!tcs@ucsd.edu (Ted C. Smith) Subject: Osborne1 to Kaypro 2X Message-ID: <4615@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US> Rhonda Gaines writes: > I have recently acquired dbaseII for the osborne 1 and don't know > how to use it on my kaypro 2x. When I put the disk in it says it > can't read my diskette. Any ideas on how to convert these osborne > disks to kaypro so I can use them? Well, there are a couple of programs around that can handle this. I use Media Master by Spectre Technologies (22458 Ventura Blvd., Suite E, Woodland Hills, CA 91364; phone 818-716-1655). Uniform is another program that should be able to do the trick -- I think you can get it from FOG. And, a more circuitous route would be to use a shareware package like 22NICE which permits IBM-compatibles to emulate an Osborne or Kaypro disk drive (I've used it to move SuperCalc files from my old Ozzy to my new 386 machine). -- Ted Smith -- tcs.sactoh0.SAC.CA.US California Division of Mines and Geology Call our MS-DOS based bbs (CDMG ONLINE) at 916-327-1208 8-N-1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 10:19:35 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: Osborne1 to Kaypro 2X Message-ID: <9101091819.AA00877@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> In <4615@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US> tcs@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Ted C. Smith) writes: >Rhonda Gaines writes: > >> I have recently acquired dbaseII for the osborne 1 and don't know >> how to use it on my kaypro 2x. When I put the disk in it says it >> can't read my diskette. Any ideas on how to convert these osborne >> disks to kaypro so I can use them? >Well, there are a couple of programs around that can handle this. >I use Media Master by Spectre Technologies (22458 Ventura Blvd., >Suite E, Woodland Hills, CA 91364; phone 818-716-1655). Uniform is >another program that should be able to do the trick -- I think you >can get it from FOG. And, a more circuitous route would be to use >a shareware package like 22NICE which permits IBM-compatibles to >emulate an Osborne or Kaypro disk drive (I've used it to move >SuperCalc files from my old Ozzy to my new 386 machine). I have said this before (tired of hearing it??), but be very careful about software like MediaMaster before putting big bucks into it. I was fooled by their documentation and impressive list of "formats handled". It (apparently) works fine with a format like Kaypro's DSDD, that is quite common. I can tell you, from personal experience, that it will NOT read these Ozzy diskettes, if they are single density, on a vanilla PC clone unless you have a specialized controller/drives. It has problems with single density diskettes (early Osbournes used SD). There are other formats that they advertise, that will not work (Cromemco DSDD is a notable example). Try before you buy. Of course the same is true for Uniform and 22NICE, but I have not had the opportunity to try them. Please don't respond with "I have it and love it. It works with xxxx" etc. I'm glad that you like it, but if you're thinking about buying it for reading some format that you commonly use, and you have no direct knowledge that it works with that format -- proceed with caution!! Flames to /dev/null. roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 91 23:05:04 GMT From: att!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: osborne 1 to kaypro 2x Message-ID: <1991Jan8.230504.29093@simasd.uucp> rr2g@COMPOSITE.CE.VIRGINIA.EDU (Rhonda Gaines) writes: >I have recently acquired dbaseII for the osborne 1 and don't know >how to use it on my kaypro 2x. When I put the disk in it says it >can't read my diskette. Any ideas on how to convert these osborne >disks to kaypro so I can use them? > You should have the utility MFDISK.COM with your 2X which will permit reading the Osborne disk. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 21:06:58 PST From: "Strong data types for weak minds." Subject: Pointers to XLISP or RCPMs Wanted Message-ID: <9101100504.AA23239@volition.pa.dec.com> Wanted: pointers to sources for XLISP V1.1, V1.5, or a CP/M-80 'COM for XLISP V1.2 wanted and/or pointers to current RCPMs. XLISP V1.1 files wanted are from SIGM Volume 118 and are XLBIND.C or XLOBJ.C. Much grass ! rcs ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 16:29:44 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net (What a Guy!) Subject: Searching for XLISP Stuff Message-ID: <15813.278c9678@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <9101041823.AA10123@volition.pa.dec.com>, secrist@msdoa1.enet.dec.com ("Strong data types for weak minds.") writes: > > Does anybody know of a BBS where I could find either: > > 1) an XLISP V1.2 executable '.COM file and/or > 2) sources for XLISP V1.1 > > I need a ready-to-go '.COM for CP/M with matching sources > to rebuild in another environment. > > Regards, > rcs I believe it is in SIMTEL. I think I got it around Sept, or OCT of last year. Good luck Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jan 91 18:31:12 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucsd.edu (Phillip Evans) Subject: Tandon Drive docs/info Message-ID: I have just inherited a pair of Tandon Drives and have no information on them. Would anyone who knows how many side/what density/how many tracks or who has documentation for these please reply. The drives are: Tandon TM 100-4 full height, and TM 65-4 half height. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #7 *********************************** 10-Jan-91 15:26:27-MST,10587;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 15:17:07 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #8 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910110151709.V91N8@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 10 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 8 Today's Topics: CP/M & MBASIC question MP/M Need WordStar utility Zenith Z100 OS??? ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jan 91 07:15:55 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@ucsd.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: CP/M & MBASIC question Message-ID: <77348@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings I have a Kaypro 10 and am starting to experiment with CP/M. (My first z80 machine) I have several questions: 1) Is there a command in Miscrosoft BASIC (M-80) that will clear the screen and home the cursor? I have all docs but they say nothing. 2) I have a simple CLS.COM program that is about 15 bytes long that clears the screen. Now, I DUMPed it and converted the hex to decimal and poked those values from within BASIC. When I CALL it, it clears the screen and does a "Warm Boot" [bummer]. Anyways, I got rid of the JMP 0000h (for the warm boot) but now in hangs. [bummer^2] Arghh... Good lord, even my Apple ][+ has a HOME command! ;-) 3) How do I load a binary file so I can use it with the USR# function? I have an assembler (RMAC), a linker, a BASICLIB.REL (what is that <--- ?), and MBASIC. Is this all I need? Oh, yeah, I have a hard disk so space in not a problem. (I have the source for SAFETY.COM, which also clears the screen, but even that does not work when POKEed from BASIC. Can I use &HD000? I have no idea where empty space is in BASIC.) Anyone? I also don't have a text editor (WS died) so I wrote my own in basic.... can't use the "," with INPUT... it gives a "Redo from start" (or something similar). 4) Anyone know how to read a text file using random-access? I tried every possible combination. I can create but I can't read it. (Remember, you can't read a file that contains ","s with the INPUT# statement) Maybe I should stick to assembly..... [grin] (Yeah, but you need an editor for that - Catch 22???) Take care. P.S. Please e-mail. I will archive everything. Before sending a "send everything to me", give me a few days to organize :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Karol Gieszczykiewicz Address: kwgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu This message posted for: Filip Gieszczykiewicz (fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 20:14:28 GMT From: drivax!riddle@uunet.uu.net (Riddle) Subject: MP/M Message-ID: In article JSHIN@HAMPVMS.BITNET (Is PShirley getting married bare-footed?) writes: > >Yes, it is time for simple and mundane questions that comes up >periodically. I hate to be the one, but... > >1) Who created Digital Research Inc. > /produced generic ==DRI Specific == Each Hardware manufacturer > /sells MP/M? Each Hardware Manufacturer. But, if your manufacturer is "Out of Business" or never did the port of MP/M, you can buy generic package from: Discus 408 424-5851 340-46 El Camino Real South Salinas, CA 93901 > While you're at it, any comments? If you buy the generic package you'll need to write your own BIOS and XBIOS. Most of which will already exist in your CP/M BIOS. Or, you can find somebody with the same type of machine with a BIOS already written. > >2) Could anyone tell me a phone number for Digital Research or whoever > it is that sells CP/M for them now? DR's 800 number disappeared. address above -- -- Riddle@Digital Research, Incorporated uunet!drivax!riddle Integrated Systems Business Unit riddle%drivax@uunet.uu.net 70 Garden Court, B206 (408) 647-6581 (vmail) Monterey, California 93940 (408) 649-0750 (fax) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jan 91 15:48:19 GMT From: usc!samsung!dali.cs.montana.edu!ogicse!pdxgate!parsely!percy!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@ucsd.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1991Jan8.154819.10851@techbook.com> In article <972@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Gun Control is Hitting Your Target) writes: >wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: > > >> Aha! Some versions of WordStar supported direct write to screen >>memory on the (few) machines that had screen memory as part of >>system RAM. I suspect that setting the high bit is the way the >>Osborne knew to highlight the current character. > >Yes and no. > >No, WordStar for the Osborne 1 did not come configured for memory mapped >video - I don't know why - it's orders of magnitude faster than going through >a jillion layers of software. the memory mapped video on the osborne is somewhat strangely laid out, and micropro never bothered to adapt the memory mapped version of wordstar. but soon pd text editors began showing up for the ozzy, such as vdo and its successor, vde. for a machine like a stock osborne, thay are actually much better than wordstar. download them from a bbs near you. vde ended at 2.66 (eric meyer still does work on his PC version of vde, which is (INHO) the best text editor available for msdos machines. (it even runs on a dec rainbow)) but is very stable and has no major bugs. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 16:23:19 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!eastapps!hienergy!jimv@ucsd.edu (Jim Vienneau - Sun Microsystems) Subject: Zenith Z100 OS??? Message-ID: <3869@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> Does anyone happen to have any OS kicking around for a Zenith Z100? I bought a few of these at auction and didn't get any software or documentation with them. If you happen to have it, I'll gladly pay any and all costs (either doc or OS). A couple of folks sent me mail identifying them for me, I tried to reply, but the mail bounced (arpanet). Thanks for the help! Jim Vienneau, Sun Microsystems Inc - Billerica, MA Email: jvienneau@east.sun.com Amateur Radio: WB1B Good old Ma Bell (well old anyway): (508)671-0372 ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jan 91 19:25:02 GMT From: att!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II Message-ID: <1991Jan9.192502.16019@simasd.uucp> sage@LL.MIT.EDU (Jay Sage) writes: > That shows that the system you were running at the time was not one >created by that version of MOVCPM, which checks the DOS serial number in the >first six bytes of code. Digital Research punishes one for trying to use a >'borrowed' MOVCPM by locking up the system. > That sounds like the basic information needed to patch MOVCPM to eliminate the problem. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 11:10:39 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II Message-ID: <9101101110.AA28480@LL.MIT.EDU> Mike Sprague answered: >> Hmmmm, seems strange that DR would try to keep you from using MOVCPM, when >> it *seems* to be standard utility on a CP/M System Disk. Odd! MOVCPM is a standard program that comes with CP/M, but it contains the licensed software for that machine: the CCP, the serialized BDOS, and the manufacturer's (or DRI's) proprietary BIOS. It is not a utility that can be moved from system to system; it is the basic operating system generation program. SYSGEN, on the other hand, is a more-or-less universal utility. It extracts the operating system from the system tracks on a diskette and/or writes it to a new diskette. It does not generate a new system; it only copies it. It may be used with MOVCPM to put the system created by MOVCPM onto the system tracks of a diskette for booting. If you got a synchronization error report when you ran MOVCPM, then the operating system that you were running at the time was not one that was created by that copy of MOVCPM. Specifically, the BDOS in use either was not the Digital Research BDOS (perhaps you has installed something else) or had a different serial number. People have published, by the way, the simple patch for defeating the serial number check. >> I was wondering if the problem was in that I had configured the system. >> Xerox supplied a utility called CONFIGUR which allows you to set the >> defaults upon booting. CONFIGUR probably just changes values a specific locations in the BIOS code, and this should have no effect on the operation of MOVCPM or the installation of ZSDOS. >> Chuckle it's the same machine, not a simpler one. A 16/8 is nothing more >> than an 820-II with the 16/8 board (8086 CPU w/128K RAM) installed!! Yes, but I would call a machine without the extra board and the software complications required to deal with it a "simpler" one. Even more reason to contact Chris McEwen if you are still having trouble after generating a clean, new system disk. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 21:25:38 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucsd.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II Message-ID: <3576@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> To be fair, most MOVCPM`s incorporate at least minimal BIOS type code to boot the system, so for a general user to use a different version of MOVCPM than the one intended for the system would be pointless and confusing to diagnose. Obviously this doesn't apply to hackers, who find their own workarounds. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #8 *********************************** 11-Jan-91 20:28:44-MST,10389;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 91 20:15:42 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #9 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910111201600.V91N9@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 11 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 9 Today's Topics: CP/M & MBASIC question cp/m mbasic DecMate 2 Long winter nights. Pied Piper manual wanted Tandon Drive docs/info Using MediaMaster and Uniform (was Re: Osborne1 to Kaypro 2X) (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jan 91 10:26:50 GMT From: usc!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cica!news.cs.indiana.edu!bsu-cs!bsu-ucs!00prneubauer@ucsd.edu (Paul Neubauer) Subject: CP/M & MBASIC question Message-ID: <55017@bsu-ucs.uucp> In article <77348@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) writes: > Greetings I have a Kaypro 10 and am starting to experiment > with CP/M. (My first z80 machine) > > I have several questions: > > 1) Is there a command in Miscrosoft BASIC (M-80) that will > clear the screen and home the cursor? I have all docs but they > say nothing. No, there is no such command in MBASIC to do that. The reason is that most CP/M computer manufacturers failed to get together on ways to do obvious things like screen handling, so they are (nearly) all different. > 2) I have a simple CLS.COM program that is about 15 bytes long > that clears the screen. Now, I DUMPed it and converted the > hex to decimal and poked those values from within BASIC. > When I CALL it, it clears the screen and does a "Warm Boot" > [bummer]. Anyways, I got rid of the JMP 0000h (for the > warm boot) but now in hangs. [bummer^2] Arghh... Good lord, > even my Apple ][+ has a HOME command! ;-) Yes, that is certainly a bummer all right. The easy thing to do with a Kaypro is simply: PRINT CHR$(26); All Kaypros that I know of treat a control-z sent to the screen as meaning clear the screen and home the cursor. > I also don't have a text editor (WS died) so I wrote my own > in basic.... can't use the "," with INPUT... it gives a > "Redo from start" (or something similar). I like VDE as a text editor. It is fast and relatively stable. Different people will have different preferences, but for an "in-memory" text editor, I find VDE to be about the fastest and least buggy one around. It works well on Kaypros. Its only problem shows up when you need to edit a file larger than about 35KB. Then you need the virtual memory functionality of something like WS or Perfect Writer (an attempt at an EMACS clone). There is probably someone there in Pittsburgh (I assume from your address) who can supply you with numerous PD programs, including editors. If not, send me email and I may be able to help. ======== Paul Neubauer neubauer@bsu-cs.bsu.edu 00prneubauer@bsu-ucs.bsu.edu neubauer@bsu-cs.UUCP 00prneubauer@bsu-ucs.UUCP 00PRNEUBAUER@BSUVAX1.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 23:18:01 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@ucsd.edu (Earl W Phillips) Subject: cp/m mbasic Message-ID: To the fellow w/questions re:mbasic and clearing the screen, try this: 10 blah, blah 20 print chr$(26) 30 blah, blah . . . . This should do it! ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 15:59:27 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!muvms3!hsl001@ucsd.edu (Ed Dzierzak) Subject: DecMate 2 Message-ID: <34567@muvms3.bitnet> A friend of mine picked up an old DecMate 2... It has some software but no boot disk. We suspect this is a CPM machine. Is it? If so, where can we get a boot disk? Thanks in advance... Ed Dzierzak HSL001@MUVMS3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 91 19:27 EDT From: Is PShirley getting married bare-footed? Subject: Long winter nights. Excuse me, but... I was going through some old mail files to free up account space and noticed that the last time we did intel-bashing was last april. Some memorable quotes were: "Let Segment:Offset be the punishment for your sins" and "Would you trust a company whose logo is falling apart?" Both from the same person - sorry, I cannot "scroll" on this terminal to check your name again... has anyone heard of "Tab" terminals? Anyways, from the messages, it was apparent that the spring energy was driving us through the clever quotes and some vicious remarks. But, spring being b spring, we can do more positive things then. Why not spend all our negative energy these long, cold, (or warm, for those of you with not-yet-fossilized heating) winter nights? Any takers? -John P.S. Oh, I'm not gonna be involved in it again... I learned some good lessons about human decency last time... but I won't hesitate to encourage others. P.P.S. If you wanna yell at me for posting this, please do it privately. I don't want everybody to suffer just because _I_ am miserable. My address is JSHIN@HampVMS.bitnet, or call me at (413)549-4600 ext. 517 during the day and (413)253-0713 otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 22:37:30 GMT From: metaphor!mnementh!rush@apple.com (Ed Rush) Subject: Pied Piper manual wanted Message-ID: <1965@metaphor.Metaphor.COM> A friend of mine, who does not have Usenet access, has a Pied Piper computer, made by Semi-Tech, but does not have its manual(s). Apparently, the company is long gone. Does anyone out there have a Pied Piper manual? David would be happy to pay photocopying costs or, if you are in the San Jose area, borrow it and do the copying himself. If you have or know of a Pied Piper manual, it would be best to e-mail directly to him: McGlone_David@tandem.com Or, you can call him in the daytime at (408)285-5759 or at home at (408)293-5176. If all that fails, you can send a reply to me and I'll pass it on to him. Thanks in advance and in absentia for your help. ----------------------------------------- Ed Rush, employed by but not speaking for Metaphor Computers, Mtn. View, CA UUCP: [...!{apple|decwrl}!]metaphor!mnementh!rush Internet: rush@mnementh.metaphor.com ----------------------------------------- "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 19:45:03 GMT From: att!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: Tandon Drive docs/info Message-ID: <1991Jan10.194503.5464@simasd.uucp> pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: >I have just inherited a pair of Tandon Drives and have no information on >them. Would anyone who knows how many side/what density/how many tracks >or who has documentation for these please reply. The drives are: > >Tandon TM 100-4 full height, and TM 65-4 half height. > The 100-4 is a double side 96-tpi drive. From the common dash number, I would assume that the 65-4 is also 96-tpi. Look for an upper head to see if it is double sided. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 91 09:58:33 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: Using MediaMaster and Uniform (was Re: Osborne1 to Kaypro 2X) Message-ID: <9101111758.AA15785@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> In <1991Jan10.200431.1893@intelhf.hf.intel.com> snelson@ptdcell0.intel.com (shannon nelson) writes: ......stuff deleted > number of off-the-wall systems. However, I have noticed that I usually > must format the transfer diskette with MM or Uniform before copying the ......more stuff deleted This is a hint given in the documentation, but in my case, it didn't help. I tried lots of different combinations, without success. I guess I have no problem with these programs; they are *VERY* useful *IF* they work. My problem is that the vendor makes expansive claims about the formats that they can process, and the warning to potential users is that these claims *CAN* be untrue. Be careful!! Particularly if the format you are interested in reading is single-density and/or not-so-common. Even worse, in the case of MediaMaster, phone calls to the vendor for help were treated as a nuisance. Then you are really stuck. Again, the bulk of these comments are directed toward the MediaMaster product. I have little experience with Uniform or 22Disk. roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jan 91 15:33:08 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucsd.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Using MediaMaster and Uniform (was Re: Osborne1 to Kaypro 2X) Message-ID: <3603@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> 22disk in its documentation mentions the single density problem, and a simple (2-patch wires) hardware modification for some pc disk controllers. with this patch, my pc reads single density ok using 22disk. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #9 *********************************** 12-Jan-91 12:32:01-MST,10346;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 91 12:15:18 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #10 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910112121519.V91N10@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 12 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 10 Today's Topics: Apple II+ & CP/M compatible forsale (lots o' stuff) CP/M & MBASIC question good news Using MediaMaster and Uniform (was Re: Osborne1 to Kaypro 2X) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Jan 91 16:22:02 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!mstr!mstr!mill7761@apple.com (jeff miller) Subject: Apple II+ & CP/M compatible forsale (lots o' stuff) Message-ID: <1991Jan12.162202.12743@mstr.hgc.edu> *** Apple II+ and CP/M *** Help! I've got a Basis 108 super Apple II+ compatible dual 6502/Z80 for sale. It's one of those machines that is now of little use to me but perhaps to an Apple or CP/M person it might be of great value. Just the pair of Shugart 850s in Morrow Designs cases w/ power supplies are worth a small chunk of change. o 128kb memory o Prometheus Applesurance diagnostic disk controller with Basis-specific diagnostic ROM. o Extra Prometheus Applesurance controller w/ Apple ROM (controller has some problem but ROM is good) o Dual Panasonic JA551 (Shugart SA455 OEM) 1/2-height 5-1/4" 40-track drives (read & write regular Apple 35-track normally) with Shugart technical OEM & service documentation o Dual 8" DS/DD Shugart SA850 floppy drives (1Mb each) in Morrow Designs cases with Vista A800 8" drive controller and drivers and utilities for P-System, Apple DOS 3.3, and CP/M, and including Shugart technical OEM and service manuals o Extra Vista A500 5-1/4" disk controller o PCPI Applicard 6MHz Z80 coprocessor (note: the Basis also has its own built-in Z80 which is independent of the Applicard, and runs included Microsoft SoftCard CP/M) o Videx UltraTerm video card (160x48, etc. - great w/ Wordstar 3.3 included) (note: the Basis also has its own built-in video) o USI Pi-3 1000-line hires amber monitor (the best in its day) o Extra Apple Monitor III composite green screen o Built-in RGB and composite video output o ThunderClock with X-10 interface and software o Serial and parallel ports o A2D joystick o CP/M 2.2 w/ ZCPR o CP/M 3.0 w/ DRI manuals o UCSD P-System o Apple DOS 3.3 o ProDOS o Switchable dual bootable Apple/Basis ROMs o Excellent detached keyboard with a separate numeric keypad and programmable function keys. o A huge amount of programming languages with manuals including UCSD Pascal and Fortran, MBasic for CP/M, Aztec C for Dos 3.3, CBasic for CP/M, 6502 and Z80/8080 assembler, Mix C and editor for CP/M, Turbo Pascal 2.0, Fortran-80 for CP/M, Applesoft Basic, and more o Utilities, games, mucho communications & application software (too much to list) for all three operating systems o Many technical books, including original Apple manuals, and lots of documentation on everything related to the system. o Lots of 5-1/4" and 8" diskettes including DS/DD 8" (1024 kb). o Almost all issues of the First Basis Users Group newsletter. This machine is built like a tank and was the best of the best in its time which now seems to be slightly behind us. I rarely use it anymore but it is still a valuable machine in the right hands. This is a giant pile of excellent stuff. Everything is in good working order and all goes together. Asking $300 plus shipping or make offer. Call Jeff at (203)644-4273 <== best way to make contact Usenet: mail to ...!philabs!pwa-b!mstr!mill7761 or mill7761@mstr.hgc.edu America Online: EMail to MelData AppleLink: D3264 Compuserve: 71505,1355 Jeff Miller (but I rarely log on) ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jan 91 20:16:03 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucsd.edu Subject: CP/M & MBASIC question Message-ID: <1991Jan11.141603.46631@cc.usu.edu> In article <77348@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, kwgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) writes: > Greetings I have a Kaypro 10 and am starting to experiment > with CP/M. (My first z80 machine) > > 1) Is there a command in Miscrosoft BASIC (M-80) that will > clear the screen and home the cursor? I have all docs but they > say nothing. Try this: PRINT CHR$(26) : REM Clear screen PRINT CHR$(27);"=";CHR$(X+31);CHR$(Y+31) : REM move cursor CP/M machines work the way God intended (they have terminals instead of standard hardware that everyone has to know about), so it was not possible for Microsoft to put those commands in. I might have the coordinate order backwards, and +31 means that the upper left hand corner is (1,1). If you want it to be (0,0), add 32 instead. > 2) I have a simple CLS.COM program that is about 15 bytes long > that clears the screen. Now, I DUMPed it and converted the > hex to decimal and poked those values from within BASIC. > When I CALL it, it clears the screen and does a "Warm Boot" > [bummer]. Anyways, I got rid of the JMP 0000h (for the > warm boot) but now in hangs. [bummer^2] Arghh... Good lord, > even my Apple ][+ has a HOME command! ;-) If you have the manuals, you should look up how to call a machine language routine; it's been long enough since I played with BASIC at that level (I've discovered the magic of assemblers now) that I don't remember. At the very least you have to replace the JMP 0000h with a RET (opcode C9H). If you just delete the JMP, you'll wind up wandering through memory; I usually trash a disk when that happens, so I tend to be careful. > 3) How do I load a binary file so I can use it with the > USR# function? I have an assembler (RMAC), a linker, a > BASICLIB.REL (what is that <--- ?), and MBASIC. Is this > all I need? Oh, yeah, I have a hard disk so space in not > a problem. I used to hand poke them, but I have done things like read a binary image into a string and use that to construct a source statement on disk. Getting machine code into BASIC is not easy. BASICLIB.REL is the run-time library for a BASIC compiler, e.g., BASCOM, which compiles Microsoft BASIC. I seem to recall that its library was called BASLIB, though. > (I have the source for SAFETY.COM, which also clears the screen, > but even that does not work when POKEed from BASIC. Can I use > &HD000? I have no idea where empty space is in BASIC.) The traditional way to do this is store the code in a string variable and use VARPTR to find the address of the variable; if you've got manuals you can figure out how to do that. I seem to recall that VARPTR( A$ ) is the length of A$ and then VARPTR( A$ ) + 1 contains the low-order byte of the data area and VARPTR( A$ ) + 2 contains the high-order byte. But it's been a while. > I also don't have a text editor (WS died) so I wrote my own > in basic.... can't use the "," with INPUT... it gives a > "Redo from start" (or something similar). Try using LINE INPUT. > 4) Anyone know how to read a text file using random-access? > I tried every possible combination. I can create but I can't > read it. (Remember, you can't read a file that contains ","s > with the INPUT# statement) Try using LINE INPUT#. -- =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 91 02:27:26 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucsd.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: good news Message-ID: > I hear that since Bridger Mitchell wrote the Rom and Formatter > originally, he is selling them now. Can someone else verify this? > > Good luck, and I will be glad to help if needed. > > Marc Newman > ---MSBBS V0.08 Bridger Mitchell can be reached through Znode 2, 213-670-9465. Most Plu*Perfect products are also sold by Sage Microsystems East. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 20:04:31 GMT From: littlei!intelhf!ptdcell0.intel.com!snelson@uunet.uu.net (shannon nelson) Subject: Using MediaMaster and Uniform (was Re: Osborne1 to Kaypro 2X) Message-ID: <1991Jan10.200431.1893@intelhf.hf.intel.com> In article <9101091819.AA00877@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes: > > ... I can tell you, from personal experience, >that it will NOT read these Ozzy diskettes, if they are single density, >on a vanilla PC clone unless you have a specialized controller/drives. >It has problems with single density diskettes (early Osbournes used SD). >There are other formats that they advertise, that will not work (Cromemco >DSDD is a notable example). ... > I've worked with both MediaMaster and Uniform, though not with a large number of off-the-wall systems. However, I have noticed that I usually must format the transfer diskette with MM or Uniform before copying the data onto the disk. When formatted by the target machine, MM & Uniform often can't read it. When formatted with MM or Uniform, usually both can read and write the diskette. Hope it helps... -- ============================================================================== Shannon Nelson Portland Technology Development, Intel snelson@ptd.intel.com (503) 642-8149 I don't speak for Intel Parents can't afford to be squeemish. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #10 ************************************ 16-Jan-91 10:25:38-MST,10931;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 91 10:15:04 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #11 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910116101505.V91N11@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 16 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 11 Today's Topics: cp/m boot disk CP/M emulation under Unix? (2 msgs) Looking for Molecular Series 9 utilities Need WordStar utility Using BYE as a relocatable RSX ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Jan 91 23:03:18 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@apple.com (Earl W Phillips) Subject: cp/m boot disk Message-ID: I understand someone is looking for a boot disk for a 5-1/4" cp/m system. Send me email, maybe I can help. I know people who are giving up cp/m for dos. (I know not why!) :-) ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== ///////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// * * | `------' * * -JR- | Space;........the final * * | frontier............... * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 91 09:22:43 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: CP/M emulation under Unix? Message-ID: <9101151722.AA07082@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> In <2283@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> rct@erasure.East.Sun.COM (Robert C. Terzi - Sun Consulting) writes: > Does a Z-80/8080 emulator exist that runs under Unix, preferably > that can boot CP/M, using files to emulate the floppies? an emulator was recently released on the network. don't know the details, I haven't tried it. > Failing that any cross-assemblers or compilers that will run under > Unix and generate binaries that will run under CP/M? You Bet!! The C Users Group has released a diskette of cross assmebler sources that includes one for the Z80 written by Will Colley (sp??) called "AZ80" (I think). I run it on an MS-DOS machine, and find it quite nice. I believe it was also posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc *VERY* recently. It is written in C, so I see no reason why an enterprising Sun-ite couldn't port it to UNIX (or most any place that has a decent C compiler.) > Thanks, > --Rob > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >|Robert C. Terzi Internet: rct@Sun.COM| >|Sun Consulting Services UUCP: ...!sun!rct, {sun,philabs}!gotham!rct| >|Sun Microsystems, Inc. BellNet: (212) 558-9137| >|USnail: Sun Microsystems, Inc. 14 Floor, 45 Broadway, New York, NY, 10006| >+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ You are welcome. roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 91 16:07:45 GMT From: sun-barr!newstop!texsun!erasure.East.Sun.COM!rct@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Robert C. Terzi - Sun Consulting) Subject: CP/M emulation under Unix? Message-ID: <2283@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> I may be dreaming, but I thought I would ask anyway... Does a Z-80/8080 emulator exist that runs under Unix, preferably that can boot CP/M, using files to emulate the floppies? Failing that any cross-assemblers or compilers that will run under Unix and generate binaries that will run under CP/M? Reasons why you make ask? 1. to run old software, thus really eliminating the need to keep old equipment around. -- OR -- 2. to be able to find some use for said dust gathering old machines. Anyone find any interesting uses for old machines (other than the obvious planter/doorstop etc.? (I.E. device (BSR or otherwise) controller, serial mux, printer switch, etc?) (I'm new to this group so forgive me if this has been asked before...) Thanks, --Rob +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Robert C. Terzi Internet: rct@Sun.COM| |Sun Consulting Services UUCP: ...!sun!rct, {sun,philabs}!gotham!rct| |Sun Microsystems, Inc. BellNet: (212) 558-9137| |USnail: Sun Microsystems, Inc. 14 Floor, 45 Broadway, New York, NY, 10006| +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 14:34:50 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!skyler.mavd.honeywell.com!rlb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Randal L. Barnes) Subject: Looking for Molecular Series 9 utilities Message-ID: <1991Jan16.083450.33@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com> I recently acquired a Molecular Series 9 (CP/M) system. One of the distribution disks was unreadable. It contained the streamer tape utilities among other things. As I understand it, Molecular has been out of business for some time. Does anyone out there know where I can get a copy of this disk? Randy -- Randal L. Barnes rlb@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com Tea, Earl Grey, HOT! ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 15:42:35 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > download them from a bbs near you. vde ended at 2.66 (eric meyer still > does work on his PC version of vde, which is (INHO) the best text editor > available for msdos machines. (it even runs on a dec rainbow)) but is > very stable and has no major bugs. > VDE is still supported by Carson Wilson as ZDE (for ZCPR3). Check his Lilliput Znode (I think) in the Midwest. The number is on any Znode list. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: austex!roadhog@emx.utexas.edu OR roadhog%austex.uucp@emx.utexas.edu BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jan 91 20:43:59 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!spool2.mu.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Using BYE as a relocatable RSX Message-ID: <1F8RV1w163w@austex> I recently upgraded by BBS from Z33 to Z34 with NZCOM. I read with interest Chris McEwen's article in TCJ #42 on using BYE with NZCOM, however I found the job to be not as formidable as advirtised. NZCOM is easy to configure and BYE is a bear, but once tamed and properly configured, it coexists with NZCOM with no apparent problems. I did not encounter any of the bugs which Chris reported. I suspect that his maxdrive and maxuser quirk was an artifact of QBBS. HBBS, which is written in assembler had the same problem - maxdrive was set one drive lower than it should have been. The bug was easily killed. I would like to know if anyone has tried rewriting BYE to run as a relocatable RSX under Z34. Z34, NZCOM and JetLDR allow dynamic reloction of files by two different mechanisms. A "type 4" COM file contains a PRL style relocation bitmap and an elegant relocation header (thanks, Bridger!) which places the working image of the file in high memory just below the CCP. JetLDR has the capability as well of placing an RSX at the memory location of your choice using a CFG file interface. The RSX is in a .REL format and JetLDR is capable of handling all the hooks via multiple common declarations in the RXS relocatable module. I'm probably going to jump into this one and try it myself at some point, however if anyone has done this before I'd like to take advantage of his or her (hopefully successful) experience. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 1991 12:24:40 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: ZSDOS on Xerox 820-II Message-ID: <"14-Jan-91 15:24:40 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Thanks again Jay, and others, for the info. If my MOVCPM and operating system do not match, then I am afraid they will NEVER match. However, I still think it might have had something to do with CONFIGUR. I kept getting the synchronization error until I formatted a floppy with the master, sysgened it BUT did not configure it. Formatting, sysgening and configuring it, even using the master, resulted in a synchronization error. Anyone know the patch for defeating the serial number check for MOVCPM? I may need it here. >> Chuckle it's the same machine, not a simpler one. A 16/8 is nothing more >> than an 820-II with the 16/8 board (8086 CPU w/128K RAM) installed!! > Yes, but I would call a machine without the extra board and the software > complications required to deal with it a "simpler" one. Even more reason to > contact Chris McEwen if you are still having trouble after generating a > clean, new system disk. What I meant to say is that CP/M is CP/M is CP/M. Unless you start using the 16/8 board, with concurrent CP/M-80 and CP/M-86, there is NO difference between running CP/M on a 16/8 or the 820-II. Even so, I suspect the changes for ZSDOS might be no different for CP/M-80, than for CP/M, assuming it could even be installed. CP/M-80 is NOT sysgened onto the boot tracks of the bootable floppy (nor is CP/M-86). Normal CP/M is what gets installed. You have to run an application (I don't remember what it is off the top of my head) to shift from CP/M to CP/M-80. Thus, I suspect you can't even install ZSDOS on the 16/8's CP/M-80. I may not be exactly correct here, as it's been a while since I messed with a 16/8 board. It seems that there is so little software for CP/M-86, that it's really not worth my time. This does not mean, however, that I will not contact Chris McEwen. Is there a way I can contact him, besides the Z-nodes? Someday I'm gonna hook a modem to one of my computers ... someday. :-) ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #11 ************************************ 16-Jan-91 12:21:26-MST,8851;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 91 12:15:21 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #12 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910116121524.V91N12@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 16 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 12 Today's Topics: Compupro Disk 2 (2 msgs) CP/M & MBASIC question CP/M emulation under Unix? cpm emulators under unix Kaypro 2 w/ 5 1/4" single-sided disks. Wanted - System disk for SANYO MBC 1000 CP/M machine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Jan 91 15:40:40 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Compupro Disk 2 Message-ID: <6970@crash.cts.com> In article <38075@cup.portal.com> John_A_Pham@cup.portal.com writes: >Does anyone know anything about this board (Compupro Disk 2 cntrl)? >I believe it is a hard disk controller to SA-4000 . Is SA-4000 compatible >with ST-506? The Disk 2 is a two board set. If you don't have both boards, you can't use it. CompuPro's Disk 2 is a SA-1000 ( ie. 8" ) HD interface. Specs basically read like those for the Disk 3, except for the interface (DMA across 64k boundaries, intelligent controller, etc. ) It's no longer supported, but CompuPro will still answer questions about it. The manual is still available from them, too. Give tech. support a call. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 01:16:22 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!John_A_Pham@apple.com Subject: Compupro Disk 2 Message-ID: <38075@cup.portal.com> Does anyone know anything about this board (Compupro Disk 2 cntrl)? I believe it is a hard disk controller to SA-4000 . Is SA-4000 compatible with ST-506? John ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 06:03:18 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@CS.YALE.EDU (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: CP/M & MBASIC question Message-ID: <8ZRuV1w163w@austex> kwgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) writes: > 1) Is there a command in Miscrosoft BASIC (M-80) that will > clear the screen and home the cursor? I have all docs but they > say nothing. The clear screen command for the Kaypro 10 is ^Z, aka 1b hex, aka CHR$(26) in Basic, I think. Any way you can send this to the screen will work. > 2) I have a simple CLS.COM program that is about 15 bytes long > that clears the screen. Now, I DUMPed it and converted the > hex to decimal and poked those values from within BASIC. > When I CALL it, it clears the screen and does a "Warm Boot" > [bummer]. Anyways, I got rid of the JMP 0000h (for the > warm boot) but now in hangs. [bummer^2] Arghh... Good lord, > even my Apple ][+ has a HOME command! ;-) You have to change the JMP 0 to a RET (C9 hex). This will return program control to the CCP rather than to the BIOS warm boot. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: austex!roadhog@emx.utexas.edu OR roadhog%austex.uucp@emx.utexas.edu BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 17:00:14 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!spool2.mu.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: CP/M emulation under Unix? Message-ID: <3844@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> The recent CUG release (292???) did not contain all the source files necessary to recompile. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 00:25:34 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@apple.com (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: cpm emulators under unix Message-ID: <3813@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> I'm using a cp/m emulator for unix that I got from the U. Of Tokyo ftp site a year or so ago. It does 8080 only, and is not complete emulation of all flags. In particular Wordstar does not run. For some reason, WS uses JPO in a way that depends on a very good emulation ( this is jump on odd parity). The implementor of my version tried to just always save the last arithmetic result and then recreate the flags when needed. This should work for reasonable code, but obviously fails for code like lxi h, arbitrary_word push h pop psw Anyway, the version I have runs CP/M, MAC, M80, L80, MBASIC, etc, so I haven't made the ultimate effort to track down the last ergs fr the emulation. You can try out the look and feel of CP/M-80 by rlogging into "cpm@hopf.math.purdue.edu". This is readonly system, so about all you do without getting kicked off is run SD, MBASIC, etc. Clarence Wilkerson ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 91 00:27:07 GMT From: usenet!jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU!kenns@cs.orst.edu (Kenn R. Stump) Subject: Kaypro 2 w/ 5 1/4" single-sided disks. Message-ID: <1991Jan15.002707.10289@usenet@scion.CS.ORST.EDU> I'm posting this for a friend as the machine he is on doesn't have the ability to Postnews... -----rip here----- >The system is a Kaypro 2 w/ 5 1/4" single-sided disks. What I'm looking >for is the system disk with pip, baud, config, etc. utilities on it. >Thanks for the help. I'd really like to get the stuff copied and running so >I can get the computer back to him. >Thanks again, > >dave -----rip here----- And that's the bottom line, folks. . . If you have access to this stuff or own this stuff or can even catch a whiff of the stuff in the wind, could you please send mail to smith@talon.ucs.orst.edu saying so? he's in kind of a hurry to get this machine back to his friend. If you can't get mail to him, then send mail to either me (kenns@jacobs.cs.orst.edu) or my brother (kean@argh.ucs.orst.edu) please. Put "To: Dave Smith" or "Dave, your machine is crud, Smith Re: CPM master disks" in the subject line please. blah blah blah . . . ob-cuteness: "AdThanksvance" Replies would be oh-so appreciated . . . Thanks muchly! - Kenn . : kenns@jacobs.cs.orst.edu : . -+- . : kenns@nyssa.cs.orst.edu : -+- | -+- +---------------------------+ | | : {ogicse,hp-pcd} He Came To Die On A Cross Of Wood; :!orstcs!jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU!kenns And He Made The Hill On Which It Stood;: Kenn R. Stump ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 01:55:07 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!cc-server4.massey.ac.nz!G.Moretti@uunet.uu.net (Giovanni Moretti) Subject: Wanted - System disk for SANYO MBC 1000 CP/M machine Message-ID: <1991Jan16.015507.2553@massey.ac.nz> Help --- a friend has managed to obtain a SANYO MBC1000 system which is apparently a CP/M machine, but he doesn't have any software for it, and more specifically, a systems disk. I'm assuming that this contains the utilities necessary to format disks and generally fire up the machine. If you would be prepared to send us a copy of such a disk (I know this sounds a bit vague, but then I've never used CP/M :-), let me know how we might go about easing the transfer. Normally I'd use UUENCODE and PKZIP, but have no idea on how to get the info from a PC to a CP/M disk. Thanks Giovanni -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Giovanni Moretti, Consultant | G.Moretti@massey.ac.nz, Pkt-ZL2BOI@ZL2BFJ Computer Centre, Massey University| Ph 64 63 69099 x8398, FAX 64 63 505607 Palmerston North, New Zealand | QUITTERS NEVER WIN, WINNERS NEVER QUIT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #12 ************************************ 17-Jan-91 08:22:51-MST,10106;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 91 08:15:22 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #13 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910117081523.V91N13@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 17 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 13 Today's Topics: Compression algorithms wanted (2 msgs) cpm emulators under unix Help with Zenith system No Slot Clock for Kaypro 10 osborne 1 to kaypro 2x Wanted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Jan 91 20:14:47 GMT From: agate!shelby!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Compression algorithms wanted Message-ID: <3743@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> I think I got sources for Unix versions of LU, UNCRUNCH, USQ, etc from the UNIX-C.CPM section of Simtel20. Clarence Wilkerson ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 91 15:22:31 GMT From: agate!linus!nixbur!nixpbe!ugun13!ugum01!josef@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (josef Moellers) Subject: Compression algorithms wanted Message-ID: Hi, I am currently writing a utility to handle .LBR-files under UNIX. What I need for this are descriptions (or even code) of the algorithms that crunch/squeeze/compress files. -- | Josef Moellers | c/o Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG | | USA: mollers.pad@nixdorf.com | Abt. STO-XS 113 | | !USA: mollers.pad@nixdorf.de | Heinz-Nixdorf-Ring | | Phone: (+49) 5251 104662 | D-4790 Paderborn | ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 22:07:58 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!telly!druid!darcy@apple.com (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) Subject: cpm emulators under unix Message-ID: <1991Jan16.220758.2078@druid.uucp> In article <9101152311.AA10420@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu> David Watola writes: >rct@erasure.East.Sun.COM (Robert C. Terzi - Sun Consulting) writes: >>Does a Z-80/8080 emulator exist that runs under Unix, preferably >>that can boot CP/M, using files to emulate the floppies? > >what a coincidence. my emulator is just about done. 'just about'? >well, that means there are a few bugs to work out whenever i find Mine needs a little work but it is running code. It also has a built in debugger which is handy. That is the part that needs the most work right now. The debugger is a compile time option because it is slooooooooow with it in. I haven't compiled it under anything but my 386 system so I can't guarantee plug and play but it is mainly ANSI so should work on ANSI compilers. I use GNU C. I'll post it to alt.sources. Comments are greatly appreciated. I thought there was a mailing list for discussing this. It seemed like everyone was writing a CP/M emulator at one point and someone started a mailing list to swap code and ideas. I remember joining the list but I can't remember who was running it and I haven't seen anything. Anyone know if this is still happening? >the time. right now it runs Manx Aztec CII, M80, L80, and a few >other applications without any problem. but it chokes on Wordstar >(not that i would ever use such a pig--but its a great test) and, >more importantly on ASM and MAC. anyone ever try to debug a program Aztec C, MAC, HEX and a bunch of others work on mine. One thing needed is a test suite. My idea is to run instructions and jump to zero on error. A debugger can then watch to see where the jump occurs since the error immediately stops the system. Of course it is important to test the test and jump instructions rather early. >that emulates a microcode interpreter? it sucks tracking down that >single instruction that isn't working quite right. the good news That's why I built in a debugger. It helps debug the processor itself. >though, is that it >runs very fast on my 25MHz 68040 even though it is in C. faster than >z80mu (which is mostly machine code) runs on a 20MHz 386. i think >that when i finally write the entire thing in 68000 assembly language >it will run (on the average) about as fast as a 3.5 or 4 MHz Z80. >on the other hand, it really pokes along on a 25MHz 68030. Mine isn't too bad. I emulate CP/M rather than loading a real copy. It helps speed things up. An interesting side effect of the method I use is that the TPA can stretch from 0100 to fffe, 258 bytes short of the entire 64k, as long as the high 1 or 2 k is only used for stack or data. Programs that do standard checking for top of TPA still have up to fec0 where the BDOS seems to sit. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid) | D'Arcy Cain Consulting | There's no government West Hill, Ontario, Canada | like no government! +1 416 281 6094 | ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 21:38:57 GMT From: hpcc05!col!hpldola!hp-lsd!howardr@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Howard Rebel) Subject: Help with Zenith system Message-ID: <8190007@hp-lsd.COS.HP.COM> My guess is that what you have are what is known as Heath/Zenith 89 computers. Two five inch drives are mounted vert. to the right of the screen. There should be a fan mounted in the top-right-rear of the case. This is a 2 MHZ computer but can be modified to run at 4. This machine was built/designed by Heathkit. Heathkit was purchased by Zenith which started calling Heath's computers 'Zenith Data Systems.' These computers ran both CPM and HDOS (Heath-DOS). The problem you now face is to determine what type of disk drives you have. Heath used one hard sector format and at least two soft sectored formats. Howard Rebel. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jan 91 03:08:39 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@ucsd.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: No Slot Clock for Kaypro 10 Message-ID: <5kuqV3w163w@austex> C08920SW@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU (Steve Westlund) writes: > Wanted: No slot clock for Kaypro 10. > > I am interested in buying a no slot clock for my Kaypro 10. It is one of the > earlier models without the timer or internal modem. Does anyone know of a > company that still sells a no slot clock for a Z80 machine? It would be great > to use in date and time stamping files on my system. > > Thanks, > > Steve Westlund C08920SW@WUVMD > Washington University > St. Louis, Missouri Our BBS uses a Kenmore Ztime-I Calendar/Clock in our Kaypro 10. It was, I understand, widely used a few years ago as a Kaypro add-on clock. The company is Kenmore Computer Technologies, 71 Argonne Drive, Kenmore, NY 14217. Phone (716) 877-0617. I don't know if they are still in business. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jan 91 02:53:15 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: osborne 1 to kaypro 2x Message-ID: fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > there is a program for the kaypro called mfdisk, which is supposed to > allow you to set one of your disk drives to the osborne format, as well > as format a disk in that format. while i have not tried it myself, > i would guess that it works. > > > -- > fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... > > American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! There is a program called Uniform from Micro Solutions, Inc. (Lord knows if they're still in business) which is commercial and an excellent disk format xlater for CP/M machines. You must have the version written for your machine. It will both copy and format to a large variety of other CP/M disk formats. You can also find a friend with a MS-DOS machine and use an excellent DOS program called 22DISK (v 12 is current) to read and write CP/M formats via a DOS machine. We have 22DISK and MFDISK available on the Kaypro Club of Austin BBS here. I'm not sure if they are up, but if you look and don't find them, leave a msg and they can be posted. "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 03:05:08 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Wanted Message-ID: <1991Jan16.030508.6982@simasd.uucp> DDDDDDD II NN NN OOOOOO SSSSSSSS II GGGGGGGG DD DD II NNN NN OO OO SS II GG DD DD II NN N NN OO OO **** SSSSSSSS II GG GGG DD DD II NN NNN OO OO SS II GG GG DDDDDDD II NN NN OOOOOO SSSSSSSS II GGGGGGGG Dina-SIG has requests for the following software, and would be very thankful for any assistance in obtaining it: Bondwell Laptop (CP/M) system disk VICTOR 9000 (CP/M) system disk VISUAL Technology AMIGO (CP/M) system disk CP/M-68K Manuals (Digital Research Inc.) CP/M-68K software UCSD p-system software If you have any of these, or know anyone who does, please leave e-mail for me telling me about it or whom and how to contact. Many thanks. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #13 ************************************ 19-Jan-91 03:04:03-MST,7368;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 19-Jan-91 02:56:55 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 91 02:56:54 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #14 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910119025655.V91N14@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 19 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 14 Today's Topics: CP/M emulation under Unix? cpm emulators under unix disks Need file split program. Wanted - System disk for SANYO MBC 1000 CP/M machine Ztime Clock, Uniform ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 08:29:36 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: CP/M emulation under Unix? Message-ID: <9101181629.AA14291@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> In <3844@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) responds to my comment about cross assemblers available from the C Users Group: > The recent CUG release (292???) did not contain all the source files > necessary to recompile Bummer....I have that volume, but haven't had much time to do anything with it. I was thinking of CUG #276 which is a bunch of cross compilers written by Will Colley (sp??). The Z80 version, called "az80", has complete sources. I compiled it with Turbo C on an XT clone, and it seems to work very well. It is very similar to M80, which I have gotten used to thru the years. I would think that a reasonably talented person could port it to, say Sun, without a great hassle. Have not tried it however. If you're out there Will Colley --- thanks for a nice piece of software!!! roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 18:05:17 EST From: Mark Eichin Subject: cpm emulators under unix Message-ID: <9101182251.AA19634@xuucp.ch.apollo.hp.com> >>thought there was a mailing list for discussing this. It seemed >>like everyone was writing a CP/M emulator at one point and someone >>started a mailing list to swap code and ideas. I remember joining >>the list but I can't remember who was running it and I haven't seen >>anything. Anyone know if this is still happening? I got about half a dozen responses and started the list. Send mail to "z80-emulator@sipb.mit.edu" with discussion; send mail to "z80-emulator-request@sipb.mit.edu" to get added to the list. _Mark_ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jan 91 20:19:47 GMT From: usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!Charles.Cotham@apple.com (Charles Cotham) Subject: disks Message-ID: <5970.279631E1@urchin.fidonet.org> Klaus, Hope you got the disks OK. Let me know if you can do anything with the ROS overlays for the Osborne 1. Charles Cotham ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jan 91 15:55:08 GMT From: hpcc05!col!hpldola!hp-lsd!howardr@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Howard Rebel) Subject: Need file split program. Message-ID: <8190009@hp-lsd.COS.HP.COM> I have an urgent need for a file split program(s) that runs under CPM. I tried simtel20 but it has been refusing connection. Are there other archives or bbs's where I could find CPM programs. Failing that could some one mail me one. Thanks Howard Rebel hplabs!hp-lsd!howardr ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 91 19:05:03 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@apple.com (Don Maslin) Subject: Wanted - System disk for SANYO MBC 1000 CP/M machine Message-ID: <1991Jan16.190503.22537@simasd.uucp> G.Moretti@massey.ac.nz (Giovanni Moretti) writes: >--- a friend has managed to obtain a SANYO MBC1000 system which >is apparently a CP/M machine, but he doesn't have any software for >it, and more specifically, a systems disk. > Alas, I have only the system disk for the MBC-1100 and that is not compatible with the -1000. >I'm assuming that this contains the utilities necessary to format >disks and generally fire up the machine. > Exactly right. >If you would be prepared to send us a copy of such a disk (I know >this sounds a bit vague, but then I've never used CP/M :-), let me >know how we might go about easing the transfer. > >Normally I'd use UUENCODE and PKZIP, but have no idea on how to get >the info from a PC to a CP/M disk. > Probably, the best way is for the parties on both ends to get a copy of Sydex' TeleDisk (v2.04 or later). This shareware program permits making a file of the original disk and creating a clone of the disk from the file on the other end. It is very powerful and utilitarian software! If you are able to get a copy of the MBC-1000 disk, I'd sure appreciate a copy also! - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 13:47:04 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: Ztime Clock, Uniform Message-ID: <9101181347.AA08152@LL.MIT.EDU> Lindsay Haisley wrote: >> Our BBS uses a Kenmore Ztime-I Calendar/Clock in our Kaypro 10. It was, I >> understand, widely used a few years ago as a Kaypro add-on clock. The >> company is Kenmore Computer Technologies, 71 Argonne Drive, Kenmore, NY >> 14217. Phone (716) 877-0617. I don't know if they are still in business. I use these clock daughter boards in a number of my computers and have always been very happy with them. Their one shortcoming is that they do not keep track of the year. There are some extra registers, and there is a common convention for storing the year in one of those registers. Then one just has to remember every January 1 to update the year value. I do not know what the status of Kenmore Computer Technologies is. They moved at one point, and we lost track of them for a while. In any case, Chris McEwen, sysop of Z-Node 32, is a source for these units. He even offers, I believe, a discounted price. Contact him at Chris McEwen 433 Frederick Ave. South Plainfield, NJ 07080 201-753-3735 On another note, Lindsay mentioned Uniform. The company that makes it, Micro Solutions, Inc., is definitely still in business. Their Uniform for the PC is my first choice for handling foreign formats on the PC (I have MediaMaster also. As far as I know, although no further development seems to be underway with the CP/M products, they can still be purchased. Contact them at Micro Solutions, Inc. 132 West Lincoln Highway DeKalb, IL 60115 815-756-3411 -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #14 ************************************ 21-Jan-91 02:08:47-MST,7839;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 21-Jan-91 02:01:06 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 91 02:01:06 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #15 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910121020106.V91N15@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 21 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: CP/M & MBASIC question cpm-68k Info needed Need file split program. (2 msgs) TRS-80 Model II Turbo Pascal on Beehive Topper Wavemate Bullet/Super Bullet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Jan 91 07:13:15 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: CP/M & MBASIC question Message-ID: slsw2@cc.usu.edu writes: > > 1) Is there a command in Miscrosoft BASIC (M-80) that will > > clear the screen and home the cursor? I have all docs but they > > say nothing. > > Try this: > > PRINT CHR$(26) : REM Clear screen > PRINT CHR$(27);"=";CHR$(X+31);CHR$(Y+31) : REM move cursor > The move cursor sequence, while correct, is unnecessary since the act of clearing the screen with CHR$(26) leaves the cursor in the home position as well as clearing any video attributes which may have been set. Lindsay Haisley "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: austex!roadhog@emx.utexas.edu OR roadhog%austex.uucp@emx.utexas.edu BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 91 19:45:49 GMT From: psuvm!mjm13@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (MARK McKENNA) Subject: cpm-68k Message-ID: <91019.144549MJM13@psuvm.psu.edu> In the lab here at PennState there are 5 computers which run the CPM-68k operat ing system... (my advisor likes to program in 68000 assembly code).. does anyon e know of archives for cpm-68k programs... would there be some on simtel? ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 91 04:50:23 GMT From: kwgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: Info needed Message-ID: <81598@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. I was given a computer that I have no docs on. It consists of a keyboard, S100 card-cage, and power supply. It came with 2 8" drives. The computer is made by the "ProcessorTechnology" and is called "SoI Terminal Computer" Model # 20. I has several slots on the back: Parallel, Serial, Casette interface. There is also a card that controls the 2 8" drives with its own ribbon cable. I have a box of disks for it: CP/M-CDOS (FIG-FORTH) V1.2 8080 & Z80 (FORTH READABLE), MICROSOFT BASIC V5.03, UTILITY PROGRAMS, 48K WORK DISK, FORTH SCREENS, 8080 FORTH, FOTH Z-80 CP/M (INCLUDING FLOATING POINT), WORD PROCESSING, some more cryptic-labeled disks. The card-cage has these cards: 2708 module (personality module), Disk Jockey 2D/B (2D mod B) Rev 3, 16K static RAM (MM16K14) by The Memory Merchant, 32K static RAM by Industrial Micro Systems. Anyone have/had/remember one of these? It says that it is (C) by ProcessorTechnology in 1976....so I guess it's been a while. What I want is some info about how to boot it from the floppy drive(s) and what some of the DIP switches do. Anything... Take care. P.S. By the way, what is a "Tandy Model 16"? Interesting? Someone is selling them for $25, broken... Just wandering... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If reply bounces, try "kwgst@pittvms"... no? try "fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu" Did you hear? Some Poles burned the Russian flag near the Soviet embassy, in Poland. :-) :-) Why can't CIA just put up $200 million for Saddam's head? ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 91 20:34:47 GMT From: van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Phillip Evans) Subject: Need file split program. Message-ID: howardr@hp-lsd.COS.HP.COM (Howard Rebel) writes: > > I have an urgent need for a file split > program(s) that runs under CPM. > You can use PIP to primitive file splitting and concantenation. When I ran into this difficulty with a textfile I TYPE'd the file to the console and waited until what I thought was half of it had scrolled by, then did control-S and picked out what I hoped was a unique sequence of bytes The I did PIP =[Q^Z] and PIP =[S^Z] This can be undone by PIP =, ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 91 16:37:30 GMT From: hpcc05!col!hpldola!hp-lsd!howardr@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Howard Rebel) Subject: Need file split program. Message-ID: <8190010@hp-lsd.COS.HP.COM> I have found a local copy on the Simtel20 archives. No further help is needed thanks. Howard Rebel ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 91 05:09:28 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: TRS-80 Model II Message-ID: <81606@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. A friend of mine has a TRS-80 Model II with an 8" drive. The problem is that it came with a "canned" software package. There is no way to generate a "bootable" floppy or do anything interesting. He is looking for a CP/M start-up disk for his machine. Any utilities would also be welcome. If you don't have an 8" floppy, I'll send you one, you can copy whatever you want, and I'll pay the postage back. Reply to me or call him at: (412) 486 1404 John W. Zerbe 115 Lee Road Pittsburgh, PA 15237 Take care and thank you. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If reply bounces, try "kwgst@pittvms"... no? try "fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu" Did you hear? Some Poles burned the Russian flag near the Soviet embassy, in Poland. :-) :-) Why can't CIA just put up $200 million for Saddam's head? ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 91 04:16:38 GMT From: mothra!geh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory Holdren) Subject: Turbo Pascal on Beehive Topper Message-ID: <4480001@mothra.rose.hp.com> I recently bought two Beehive Topper II/U CP/M systems. I'm having a rough time installing Turbo Pascal on the computer. I have all the escape and ctrl code for the built in CRT screen but the rows get shifted up and down with lost characters. Is their anybody experience with the Toppers' CRT (in and outs) and/or installing TP on the machine? Any other info would be apreciated :^) TNX Greg Holdren geh@hprmokg.HP.COM ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 91 07:32:27 GMT From: van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Phillip Evans) Subject: Wavemate Bullet/Super Bullet Message-ID: Hi All - I am still looking for documentation on the Wavemate CP/M computers. To date I have recieved theory of operation-type-stuff on the Bullet, and this has helped me understand much of the Super Bullet (the problem at hand). Thanks to JAY SAGE and GARY INMAN. What I need are ***system disks***. If there is anyone who has or knows of one of these please reply. As well, if anyone has documantation specific to the Super Bullet I'd like to hear from you as well. Z80's will live forever.... ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #15 ************************************ 23-Jan-91 19:26:12-MST,8544;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 91 19:15:07 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #16 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910123191508.V91N16@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 23 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 16 Today's Topics: 8 meg limit (2 msgs) Are there any Cromemco CDOS/Cromix BBS's? CompuTime S-100 card CP/M Kermit-80 Source Wanted Osborne Kermit and VT52 emulation problem Problem with VDE266 on the TRS-80 Model 4. Ztime Clock, Uniform (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Jan 91 03:41:12 GMT From: van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Phillip Evans) Subject: 8 meg limit Message-ID: Where did/does the 8 meg limit on logical disk size in CP/M come from? ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jan 91 14:05:38 GMT From: spool2.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@uunet.uu.net (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: 8 meg limit Message-ID: <4314@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> I believe that the 8meg limit is set in the coding of the BDOS, and inforced in the BIOS in the sense that certain scratch ram in the BIOS data area has a preset size. I think several replacement BDOS clones, e.g. DOSPLUS, offer larger maximum logical disk size. There would be some perfomance penalties for using larger sizes, namely more directory entries to check or larger logical block sizes. Clarence Wilkerson ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jan 91 23:13:17 GMT From: titanic.cs.wisc.edu!tonyrich@speedy.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) Subject: Are there any Cromemco CDOS/Cromix BBS's? Message-ID: <1991Jan23.231317.11951@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Does anyone know the phone numbers and names of any Cromemco CDOS-specific or Cromix-specific BBS's that are still in operation? Please reply by email. Thanks in advance for any info! -- Tony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | EMAIL: tonyrich@cs.wisc.edu | The essence of learning is | | Disclaimer: I speak only for myself. | repetition, repetition! | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 91 09:28:27 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: CompuTime S-100 card Message-ID: <9101231728.AA21676@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> Does anybody have info on these cards (#CT-102A), like how to set them and read them??? It doesn't appear to have any battery back-up. Are they normally set at each boot?? Any info would be appreciated. roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov Do you know why the Iraqis don't teach driver ed. and sex ed. in high school at the same time?? Too hard on the camels. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 91 22:34:39 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!usc!samsung!umich!sharkey!nstar!baugo!jep@apple.com (Joseph Perry) Subject: CP/M Kermit-80 Source Wanted Message-ID: I'm looking for a copy of the standard Kermit distribution for the latest version of CP/M Kermit-80. I believe it will be ver. 4.09 or ver. 4.10. I want this for an Intel Series II development system running CP/M 2.2. As I don't have access to FTP to get it directly from host WATSUN.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU, another method is needed. I could get it through: a) email transfer b) dial-in uucp file transfer c) dial-in Kermit or Xmodem file transfer d) 5-1/4" or 3-1/2" MS DOS disk e) 8" SSDD or SSSD CP/M disk Does anyone have the latest version of the CP/M Kermit-80 sources? --- Joseph Perry Osceola, IN USA UUCP: uunet!mailrus!iuvax!ndcheg!nstar!baugo!jep Internet: jep%baugo@nstar.rn.com -or- jep@baugo.UUCP --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 91 19:01 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Osborne Kermit and VT52 emulation problem Message-ID: Hello, I noticed a bug in the VT52 emulation for Kermit using the Osborne overlay. The escape code for clearing the screen is sent, and the screen does not clear. The same sequence works fine with kermit with the overlay for the model 4. Has anyone experienced this problem? I would like to know before I go digging into the kermit source for a solution. Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks, Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 91 19:47 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Problem with VDE266 on the TRS-80 Model 4. Message-ID: Hello again, I have another question -- Is anyone running the memory mapped version of VDE266 on their TRS-80 model 4 noticing a problem where the character in column 1 in the line below the cursor getting erased when changing the line the cursor is on? The character is not deleted, but is erased off the display. It does get restored if any editing is done to that line. Is there a fix to this problem? Thanks, Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 91 21:57:48 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@eddie.mit.edu (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Ztime Clock, Uniform Message-ID: <62254@bbn.BBN.COM> In article <9101181347.AA08152@LL.MIT.EDU> sage@LL.MIT.EDU (Jay Sage) writes: > I do not know what the status of Kenmore Computer Technologies is. They >moved at one point, and we lost track of them for a while. In any case, >Chris McEwen, sysop of Z-Node 32, is a source for these units. He even >offers, I believe, a discounted price. Contact him at > > Chris McEwen > 433 Frederick Ave. > South Plainfield, NJ 07080 > 201-753-3735 If anyone tried the above number and it failed, try area code 908-753-3735. South Plainfield is in the part of New Jersey that moved to area code 908, and the grace period (during which 908 calls dialed to 201 are rerouted) may have ended by now. I left a message on his machine this morning before leaving for work, and will report what I learn this evening. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jan 91 16:36:00 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@eddie.mit.edu (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Ztime Clock, Uniform Message-ID: <62267@bbn.BBN.COM> In article <62254@bbn.BBN.COM> I wrote: >I left a message on his machine this morning before leaving for work, and >will report what I learn this evening. Well, I'm a little late in reporting, but here's what I found out: Kenmore Technologies is still in business, and is still producing the clock. Their price is $99.95. Chris is buying bare boards from them (he could simply copy the board design but he's "not in the business of ripping off people's intellectual property"), and populating the boards himself. He's offering the finished product for $79.95, including shipping. The board plugs into the Z-80's socket, and then the Z-80 plugs into the board. For machines which lacke the clearance above the CPU socket for the addtional board, there is a version that connects with a ribbon cable, allowing the board to be sited elsewhere. One needs to be careful of how the cable is routed, avoiding RF noise from switching power supplies, etc (the only failed installation Chris ever heard of was with an Altos whose switcher drove the CPU nuts). The device (a National 58167) appears at I/O address 0xE0 (0E0h for you old-timers :-), and can be moved to a different address with trace cuts and jumpers. Checks should be written to Chris McEwen, and sent to him at: P.O. Box 12 South Plainfield, NJ 07080-0012 908-755-6186 The above phone number is covered by an answering machine, whereas the one Jay gave earlier may not be. You're more likely to reach Chris directly in the evening, by the way. Around 8pm seems to work. -Jim. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #16 ************************************ 24-Jan-91 15:21:42-MST,8729;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 15:15:13 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #17 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910124151514.V91N17@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 24 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 17 Today's Topics: 8 meg limit (3 msgs) CPM FTP sources Info needed Telcom for Apple CP/M Ztime Clock, Uniform (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Jan 91 04:36:18 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!src.honeywell.com!skyler.mavd.honeywell.com!rlb@rutgers.edu (Randal L. Barnes) Subject: 8 meg limit Message-ID: <1991Jan23.223619.49@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com> In article , pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: > Where did/does the 8 meg limit on logical disk size in CP/M come from? It has to do with the fact that CP/M uses a 16 bit logical block pointer, Since CP/M also uses 128 byte logical sectors (sector blocking/deblocking routines change the physical sector size on the disk but the logical sector size remains at 128), the maximum logical disk size is: 65536 * 128 = 8192K My Molecular Series 9 system has drive B set up as an 8 meg drive. Doing a STAT B:DSK: yields the following: B: Drive Characteristics 65536: 128 Byte Record Capacity 8192: Kilobyte Drive Capacity 1024: 32 Byte Directory Entries 0: Checked Directory Entries 256: Records/ Extent 32: Records/ Block 256: Sectors/ Track 0: Reserved Tracks -- Randal L. Barnes rlb@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com Tea, Earl Grey, HOT! Honeywell Military Avionics Division 612/542-5021 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 13:26:09 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucsd.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: 8 meg limit Message-ID: <4402@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> It seems to me like RLB's reply is a good explanation of why the maximum size of file would be 8 megs, if we can access sectors of the file by a 16 bit integer. Why does it dictate the max. logical size of the disk, however? Clarence ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 17:33:58 GMT From: maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!syswtr@uunet.uu.net Subject: 8 meg limit Message-ID: <1991Jan24.113358.460@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> > pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: >> Where did/does the 8 meg limit on logical disk size in CP/M come from? NOte that this restriction is removed in CPM3 and MPM2. The file size restriction is limited by the 16 bit record pointer in MPM2 (I haven't combed the CPM3 manuals that closely), but the logical device size is limited by the cluster size. Device size is expressed in terms of the number of clusters, so the maximum device is 32767*16384 (or 65535*16384) as the largest allocation cluster is 16K bytes. When you get these large devices, however, MPM2 signifigantly slows down when doing any directory operations as it scans the (potentially) large directory. A little work with caching the directory can make a world of difference... Willy ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 01:38:46 GMT From: usc!samsung!rex!uflorida!springs.cis.ufl.edu!pm0@ucsd.edu (Patrick Martin) Subject: CPM FTP sources Message-ID: <26469@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> I apologize if this if one of the frequently asked questions but I just got a CPM emulator from the Amiga and was wondering where I could FTP some CPM software and if in fact that software would run. The software emulates the 8080 with H19 Terminal Emulation. What I really need is a good public domain assembler for a class I am taking. I would also be interested in taking a look at stuff like Mbasic and other software as well. Thanks, Pat ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 00:11:48 GMT From: usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!turnkey!orchard.la.locus.com!fafnir.la.locus.com!dana@ucsd.edu (Dana H. Myers) Subject: Info needed Message-ID: <1991Jan24.001148.2853304@locus.com> In article <81598@unix.cis.pitt.edu> kwgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) writes: > > Greetings. > > I was given a computer that I have no docs on. It consists > of a keyboard, S100 card-cage, and power supply. It came with > 2 8" drives. The computer is made by the "ProcessorTechnology" > and is called "SoI Terminal Computer" Model # 20. The Sol was a relatively popular S-100 based computer made for several years - the first really good Trek game I ever saw ran on one. Processor Technology was located in Emeryville at first, experienced tremendous growth, moved to enormous quarters in Pleasanton and then quickly went bust. Too bad, too; the Sol was neat 'coz it was essentially what people wanted in an Imsai 8080 but sized to fit on a desk. > P.S. By the way, what is a "Tandy Model 16"? Interesting? > Someone is selling them for $25, broken... Just wandering... Yeah, these were 16 bit Radio Shack computers, based on the 68000 chip, and they ran Xenix and some mutation of TRS-DOS, as I recall, circa 1983. What a trip down sentimental lane. Afterall, I learned assmebly language on an 1802 Elf computer.... -- * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ | Views expressed here are * * (213) 337-5136 | mine and do not necessarily * * dana@locus.com | reflect those of my employer * ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 17:48:39 GMT From: pyramid!athertn!paul@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Paul Sander) Subject: Telcom for Apple CP/M Message-ID: <34118@athertn.Atherton.COM> Does anyone know of any good telecommunications program available for Apple CP/M? It must run on an ALS CP/M Card, under CP/M Plus. In the past, I've tried patching Modem7 and Kermit without success. Many thanks in advance. -- Paul Sander (408) 734-9822 | "Passwords are like underwear," she said, paul@Atherton.COM | "Both should be changed often." {decwrl,pyramid,sun}!athertn!paul | -- Bennett Falk in "Mom Meets Unix" ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 00:35:21 GMT From: ulysses!rick!ahm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andy Meyer) Subject: Ztime Clock, Uniform Message-ID: <450@rick.att.com> In article <9101181347.AA08152@LL.MIT.EDU> sage@LL.MIT.EDU (Jay Sage) writes: [re: sources of Kenmore Ztime-I Calendar/Clock] > I do not know what the status of Kenmore Computer Technologies is. They > moved at one point, and we lost track of them for a while. In any case, > Chris McEwen, sysop of Z-Node 32, is a source for these units. He even > offers, I believe, a discounted price. Contact him at [home address deleted] (As I write this, I have Chris on the phone. He doesn't have net access "yet?") Chris would prefer that people contact him at: Socrates Z-Node 32 P.O. Box 12 S. Plainfield, NJ 07080 (908) 755-6186 BTW, this is the same address for _The Computer Journal_ (plug, plug) which ensures that if you need to leave a message it will get to him. Andy [Disclaimer: I am affiliated with _TCJ_ only as a satisfied reader.] . . Andreas Meyer, N2FYE ahm@rick.att.com . O _ AT&T Computer System Technical Services _/=/ South Plainfield, NJ ..!att!rick!ahm | _/ \_ "Jugglers do it 'til they drop." ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 13:21:26 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucsd.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Ztime Clock, Uniform Message-ID: <4401@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Does the Kaypro have any 28 pin EPROM sockets? If so one could use the Dallas Semiconductor "SMART WATCH". You just slip it between the EPROM and the old socket. The usual price seems to be about $40, but I sometimes see it for $25. It does need some software, because it's not the usual read a RAM address or port. Clarence ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #17 ************************************ 25-Jan-91 12:28:04-MST,10869;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 91 12:15:23 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #18 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910125121525.V91N18@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 25 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 18 Today's Topics: 8Mbyte limit 8 meg limit CP/M-68K, CP/M model II CP/M Kermit-80 Source Wanted Info needed Maximum CP/M volume size Need Description of Disk Parameter Block Z80 Emulator (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Jan 91 22:14:10 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Paul Martin) Subject: 8Mbyte limit Message-ID: Is CPM 3.1 (plus) restriced to the file length limit of 8 MBytes, as CPM 2.2 is? -- Paul Martin pm111@tharr.uucp pm.nowster@tharr.uucp ..!uunet!tharr!nowster!pm <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 01:24:06 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: 8 meg limit Message-ID: <1991Jan25.012406.13752@techbook.com> In article <4314@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu.UUCP (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >I believe that the 8meg limit is set in the coding of >the BDOS, and inforced in the BIOS in the sense that >certain scratch ram in the BIOS data area has a preset >size. > I think several replacement BDOS clones, e.g. >DOSPLUS, offer larger maximum logical disk size. > There would be some perfomance penalties for >using larger sizes, namely more directory entries >to check or larger logical block sizes. >Clarence Wilkerson well, not really. it is limited by the directory structure that is at the heart of all cp/m disk operations. cp/m only allows for a maximum of 65536 128 byte blocks. that is the maximum size of a file, or a whole disk. there is a built in mechanism in cp/m to allow the creation of partitions on a single physical disk. dosplus is essentially a different operating system than cp/m, and it allows a larger total disk space through a somewhat revamped directory structure. zcpr3 and zsystem do it through other techniques. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 20:33:20 -0600 From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox) Subject: CP/M-68K, CP/M model II Message-ID: <9101250233.AA13243@emx.utexas.edu> For Mark McKenna, you might want to check the SIMTEL20 archives. There are some files there for -68K. If you are looking for something in particular, you might also try TriSoft. We have some things that are PD, but were not uploaded because they were specific to the machines like you have. Give them a call at (512) 472-0744, ask for James Knox. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 22:19:40 GMT From: usc!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.iastate.edu!sharkey!nstar!baugo!jep@ucsd.edu (Joseph Perry) Subject: CP/M Kermit-80 Source Wanted Message-ID: jep%baugo@nstar.rn.com (Joseph Perry) writes: > I'm looking for a copy of the standard Kermit distribution for the > latest version of CP/M Kermit-80. I believe it will be ver. 4.09 or > ver. 4.10. I want this for an Intel Series II development system > running CP/M 2.2. [stuff deleted] From my request (^^^), I got several offers to provide me with the CP/M Kermit-80 source files for ver. 4.09, the current version. I now have a copy on the way. Thanks to all that replied via e-mail! --- Joseph Perry Osceola, IN USA UUCP: uunet!mailrus!iuvax!ndcheg!nstar!baugo!jep Internet: jep%baugo@nstar.rn.com -or- jep@baugo.UUCP --- ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 01:05:21 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!afthree.as.arizona.edu!tom@arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: Info needed Message-ID: <921@organpipe.UUCP> Not really a follow up article, but another question of the same class. I just purchased a computer at an auction - couldn't pass it up - a nice S-100 box with two boards, one a "pickles and trout" looks like a video board ??? And the other (the one I am hoping someone may have info on, or even a BOOT DISK!!!! ??) is a Intercontinental Micro Systems Corp. single board computer. This little rascal has a Z80A, 9519 interrupt ctlr, 1793 FDC, Z80A SIO/0, 64K of ram, DMA chip and more!! Wow! this looks like one of the neatest little Z80 CP/M boards I have yet to see. However, I have no manuals or software -- can anyone help? -- Tom Trebisky ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (Internet) Steward Observatory University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 20:25:53 PST From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Maximum CP/M volume size Message-ID: <00943348CC8AFDE0.00000618@dcs.simpact.com> I'm not sure there is a maximum *volume* size. The maximum file size is 8MB, or 0xfff (largest available number) x 128 (sector size) bytes. A larger file couldn't be accessed randomly, since you'd run out of sector numbers. I don't know if there's any reason you can't have a volume bigger than the largest possible file, but if you do the maths you may find, given a reasonable allocation block size, that you run out of space in, say, the disk map around the maximum file size. Good luck - Will cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 13:24:09 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@apple.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Need Description of Disk Parameter Block Message-ID: <62314@bbn.BBN.COM> I'm in the process of getting UNARC16 working on my Cromemco under CDOS. Since CDOS provides only CP/M 1.3 calls, it complains when UNARC16 does a call to the CP/M 2.x function 0x1F. For those who don't have their function tables handy (add another Post-It note to your favorite email/readnews terminal :-), 0x1F is Get Disk Parameters Block, which is used to get a pointer in order to query and (possibly) alter aspects of the disk via this DPB. This function is used mostly by file compression and disk directory programs like Super Directory. What I need to know is the format of a DPB. Armed with that knowledge, I can patch UNARC16 to request the same information from with appropriate (non-CP/M 1.3) CDOS call. It only uses one entry from the DPB, so I'm sure it's just looking for the block size. By the way, Waite & Lafore's _Soul_Of_CP/M_ has been no help in this regard. They acknowledge the existence of function 0x1F, but say nothing more about it or DPB's. So much for getting to the "soul" of CP/M. What they *do* cover they explain pretty well, but it's annoying what they leave out. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 05:01:50 GMT From: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!austex!roadhog@apple.com (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Z80 Emulator Message-ID: Discussion on this newsgroup of Z80 emultors brings me to a question to which I've been looking for an answer for some time. Is there an MS-DOS based Z80 emulator out there which does a >>full<< emulation of the CP/M BIOS, including disk functions. I'm looking for an emulator with a monitor debugger which will allow me to work effectively on CCP, BDOS and ZCPR3 system components. The emulators I've seen so far (which isn't very many) allow running plain vanilla CP/M programs under a simulated BDOS and, as in the case of Z80MU, don't really support disk functions. Joan Riff and company don't seem to understand that a CP/M disk is just a doubly sub- scripted array from the point of view of the BIOS, and any managing software need only be able to import and optionally export "files" from this data structure to and from true files in the MS-DOS environment, a fairly simple job. The BDOS file handling system is much more complex, but there are enough copies of the CP/M BDOS, ZRDOS, NovaDOS, ZSDOS, etc. around to handle the job if BIOS emulation is properly done, and a boot routine is provided to load some system software into the emulated 64K Z80 memory domain. Such a system would provide maximum flexibility in CP/M emulation. Riff seems to have the attitude that anything other than plain vanilla CP/M (e.g. ZCPR3) or stock MS-DOS (e.g. 4DOS) is a sin against nature and the users of same should take their computers and go straight to the Warm Place. On top of that, newer versions of Z80MU are severely overpriced (considering that they don't do a true CP/M BIOS emulation) at $150, for which price I can buy Borland's Turbo C++ Professional or similar package with loads of disks, documentation, examples, etc.... Lindsay Haisley "Everything works if you let it!" --- Travis J. Redfish +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ uucp: austex!roadhog@emx.utexas.edu OR roadhog%austex.uucp@emx.utexas.edu BBS: (512) 259-1261 (Z-Node 77 - aka - Kaypro Club of Austin) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 13:15:54 GMT From: usc!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@apple.com (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Z80 Emulator Message-ID: <4486@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> I don't want to get into the "RIFF" wars again. I think Z80MU has a certain market that is happy to use it. If you don't want the bells and whistles of the newer versions, the last public domain version is still kicking about. If you just want a RAW z80 emulation package that will potentially run any z80 operating system, I haven't seen any. Your best bet would be to get source to one of the existing emulators, for example, the Heath User's group emulator. If speed is not an issue, there have been at least a couple of emulators issued on usenet for z80's, written in C. Complete z80 implementations may be hard to find, because often people get tired of thinking about half parity flags and DAA, etc. Clarence Wilkerson ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #18 ************************************ 25-Jan-91 23:21:39-MST,9371;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 91 23:15:18 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #19 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910125231519.V91N19@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 25 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 19 Today's Topics: Bug in Kermit V4.09 TRANSMIT command CompuTime S-100 card CP/M emulation under Unix? Need Description of Disk Parameter Block Z80 Emulator ZMP suggestions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 91 00:06 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Bug in Kermit V4.09 TRANSMIT command Message-ID: Hello, I think I have discovered a bug in the TRANSMIT command of cp/m Kermit V4.09. It seems that the TRANSMIT function looses characters. When I send the following file using TRANSMIT: :104000005468697320697320612074657374206F2C :10401000662074686520656D657267656E637920DA :1040200062726F6164636173742073797374656D18 :104030002E202054686973206973206F6E6C79207C :104040006120746573742E2020496620746869733A :1040500020686164206265656E2061207265616C14 :1040600020656D657267656E63792C20796F7520A8 :10407000776F756C642068617665206265656E2077 :10408000696E666F726D656420776865726520740D :104090006F2074616B65207368656C7465722E2087 :0000000000 The following is actually sent: :104000005468697320697320612074657374206F2C :10401000662074686520656D657267656E637920DA :1040200062726F616463617374207379737456D18 :104030002E202054686973206973206F6E6C79207C :104040006120746573742E2020496620746869733A :1040500020686164206265656E206207265616C14 :1040600020656D657267656E63792C20796F7520A8 :10407000776F756C642068617665206265656E2077 :10408000696E666F726D65420776865726520740D :104090006F2074616B65207368656C7465722E2087 :0000000000 The hex files were created from the following assembler source, assembled with z80mr: org 4000h db 'This is a test of the ' db 'emergency broadcast ' db 'system. This is only a ' db 'test. If this had been ' db 'a real emergency, you ' db 'would have been informed ' db 'where to take shelter. ' end Has anyone else experienced this problem with the TRANSMIT command? I would appreciate hearing from you if you have -- before I attack the Kermit source to find the fix. Any assistance would be appreciated. Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt.bitnet Notice the dropped character in the third, sixth, and nineth lines. Has anyone else experienced this problem. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 14:44:51 GMT From: aurs01!luce@uunet.uu.net (J. Luce) Subject: CompuTime S-100 card Message-ID: <59476@aurs01.UUCP> In article <9101231728.AA21676@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes: - -Does anybody have info on these cards (#CT-102A), like how to -set them and read them??? It doesn't appear to have any battery -back-up. Are they normally set at each boot?? Any info would -be appreciated. - - roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov - rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov - I have full documentation on a CompuWATCH. I don't recognize CompuTime. If this is what you are looking for, let me know where to mail a copy. ------------------------------------------------------------------- John Luce | Life is the leading cause of death Alcatel Network Systems | ----------------------------------------- Raleigh, NC | Standard Disclaimer Applies 919-850-6787 | Mail? Here? Try aurs01!aurw46!luce@mcnc.org | or ...!mcnc!aurgate!luce -------------------------------- or John.Luce@f130.n151.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 14:14:05 GMT From: usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!crdgw1!antarctica!davidsen@apple.com (william E Davidsen) Subject: CP/M emulation under Unix? Message-ID: <1991Jan25.091405@antarctica.crd.GE.COM> In article <9101181629.AA14291@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov>, rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes: There was a CP/M emulator posted to alt.sources, did anyone try it? I't in my list of stuff to check out. The first posting was incomplete, but there was a 2nd, later. -- Bill Davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com, uunet!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen) GE Corp R&D Center, Schenectady NY Moderator of comp.binaries.ibm.pc and 386users mailing list "This is your PC. This is your PC on OS/2. Any questions?" ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 22:03:13 GMT From: prism!jm59@gatech.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: Need Description of Disk Parameter Block Message-ID: <20389@hydra.gatech.EDU> In article <62314@bbn.BBN.COM> gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: >I'm in the process of getting UNARC16 working on my Cromemco under CDOS. >Since CDOS provides only CP/M 1.3 calls, it complains when UNARC16 does a >call to the CP/M 2.x function 0x1F. .. deletions .. > >What I need to know is the format of a DPB. Armed with that knowledge, I ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ..etc.. Alan R. Miller, _Mastering_CP/M_, Sybex 0-068, 1983, ISBN 0-89588-068-7, has about 5 pages on this. There is also some in the DRI manual on adapting/modifying cp/m 2.2 (I forget the exact title.). -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 91 16:48:15 EST From: Mark Eichin Subject: Z80 Emulator Message-ID: <9101252151.AA21009@xuucp.ch.apollo.hp.com> From Lindsay Haisley : >>based Z80 emulator out there which does a >>full<< emulation of the CP/M >>BIOS, including disk functions. I'm looking for an emulator with a monitor Nick Sayer's emulator (posted to alt.sources a while ago, and written in reasonably portable (at least among larger machines) C) *only* fakes the BIOS (there's a table of BIOS entry points that does RST 38H for each, which is detected by the emulator - the emulator looks at the address, and does the appropriate BIOS function.) The BDOS is loaded in from an external file, but is a normal Z80 (or 8080) BDOS. The problem with this design is that it is *SLOW*. There are a number of places where the BDOS copies sectors around - that loop is emulated instruction by instruction, which takes a long time. From Clarence Wilkerson : >> If you just want a RAW z80 emulation package that will >>potentially run any z80 operating system, I haven't seen Nick's emulator can certainly run anything with a BIOS; in fact, if you disable the BIOS hooks and provide routines that do "the right thing" with IN and OUT you can probably emulate *any* z80... once I've got the time, I do intend to emulate the Radio Shack Model 4 (since I run TurboDOS on it - though I may try to get TRSDOS/LDOS up just for laughs...) >>in C. Complete z80 implementations may be hard to find, >>because often people get tired of thinking about half parity >>flags and DAA, etc. Nick's emulation is *very* careful, particularly due to my banging on it as an alpha tester... I also double checked everything against the Zilog Z80 manual for clarification of what the flags do. Half carry is done "live" as are all the flags (there is an "F" register, and everything tweaks it as it goes...) There isn't really any support for the different IM 0..2 interrupt modes, but I suspect that doesn't matter much for most uses - and that code would tend to need customization based on the particular hardware being emulated anyhow. _Mark_ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 01:26:16 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!altger!doitcr!jungkunz@apple.com (Helmut Jungkunz) Subject: ZMP suggestions Message-ID: <1581@doitcr.doit.sub.org> ZMP BBS MODEM uunet.munnari.oz!cc.curtin.edu.au!murray_RJ originated a request for ZMP proposals. ZMP is the famous ZMODEM program for CP/M that is in the public domain. Well, so far I'm very happy with ZMP, except for the lack of script-processing In this respect, i I am quite happy with what QTERM supplys. But why does one have to use all the different programs? WHy is there not one that does all? ZMP as far as I'm concerned, just lacks this important feature. If you people have soMething to add - feel fre to do so! Cheers from the Schneider/Amstrad CPC User Group Munich (SCUG) Helmut Jungkunz (jungkunz@doitcr.UUCP) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #19 ************************************ 28-Jan-91 06:22:47-MST,9313;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 91 06:15:08 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #20 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910128061509.V91N20@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 28 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: Bug in CP/M Kermit 4.09 TRANSMIT command (2) CompuTime S-100 card Fidonet postings Fix for Kermit TRANSMIT command bug. Got a really odd one here folks... wanted: bad sector lockout program (2 msgs) ZMP overlay for Televideo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jan 91 12:19 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Bug in CP/M Kermit 4.09 TRANSMIT command (2) Message-ID: Hello, I have found out a few more bits concerning the problem with the TRANSMIT command in cp/m kermit V4.09: 1). The every 128th character is being dropped, starting with the 1288th character. 2). The transmit function is handled by the file CPSTT.ASM in kermit. 3). The routines to handle the reading from the file into the big buffer are in the file CPSUTL.ASM 4). The characters are read from the big buffer one at a time into a retransmit buffer, for retransmission of the current line if specified by console input. 5). It seems that the 128th character is skipped when reading from the bug buffer into the line buffer. Any kermit experts out there willing to lend a hand? Lance taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 91 06:05:05 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: CompuTime S-100 card Message-ID: <1991Jan27.060505.5683@simasd.uucp> luce@aurs01.UUCP (J. Luce) writes: >In article <9101231728.AA21676@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes: >- >-Does anybody have info on these cards (#CT-102A), like how to >-set them and read them??? It doesn't appear to have any battery >-back-up. Are they normally set at each boot?? Any info would >-be appreciated. >- >- roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov >- rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov >- > >I have full documentation on a CompuWATCH. I don't recognize CompuTime. >If this is what you are looking for, let me know where to mail a copy. > I think you are both correct, as I believe the board in question is a CompuWatch by Compu-Time which does, I believe, have battery backup. Look for a little 'black-box' that says Data Sentry in the center right hand portion of the board. That is GE's 3.6vdc ni-cad package. - don > Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 91 03:09:22 GMT From: van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Phillip Evans) Subject: Fidonet postings Message-ID: Hello All. I am considering preparing a weekly digest of the messages posted in this newsgroup for posting to the Fidonet CP/M Tech Echo. If anyone has concerns in this regard they should let me know. I plan to start next week. I suppose I should get a signature................X <- my mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 91 20:03 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Fix for Kermit TRANSMIT command bug. Message-ID: Hello, I have found the fix to the bug in with the TRANSMIT command in version 4.09 of kermit. The bug is in the file CPSUTL.ASM. The problem is that subroutine INBUF: is pre-decrementing the byte count by 1, (decrementing an assembly generated constant) causing the last character of each record to be ignored. The line at fault was a few lines after label inbuf2: and read mvi a,bufsiz-1 ; Number of bytes in buffer (pre-decremented) this should be corrected to mvi a,bufsiz ; Number of bytes in buffer. This bug only shows when files to be send via TRANSMIT are greater than 128 bytes. The pausit: routine in the same file is also missing a return statement. The cpsker.hex file does not seem to have this problem, but the source file does not have the return listed in the (corrected) code fragment below: jz pausi1 ; loop until a key has been pressed. ret I hope this can help someone. Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 91 15:14:13 GMT From: mintaka!think.com!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!cynic!pevans@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Phillip Evans) Subject: Got a really odd one here folks... Message-ID: Mesg: 171 (R) Date: 24 Jan 91 Fldr: General Time: 22:55:18 Subj: oddball computers Rply: 171 (BOT-172) From: David Bowerman To: Philip Evans Philip, have you ever run across a computer called a "ADWIN-80"? It seems to be a single board Z-80 based system, 256K memory, 4 serial, 1 parallel printer, SCSI or SASI bus interface, WD2797 8/5/3" floppy controller, parallel keyboard interface and video display circuit. The person who owns it has no idea of where the boot disk or anything else for it is. I was thinking about picking it up (the price is right -- free) but not sure if I wanted to tie into another project such as you are having with the Bullet. Dismantling the ROMs just not something I want to get into for the next few months. Especially not on a machine as jammed as this one is. Stuffed the entire board into a 5.25" drive form factor. No ASICS so some chips are mounted under socketed LSI and all the other fun you can have cramming a board to it's maximum. According to Richard, it was originally mounted into a terminal and had one 5.25" floppy connected to it. At some point, it was removed from the terminal and kinda lost in a box. Evidently his brother who originally owned it is no longer into computers and hence he is willing to give it to me (for some strange reason, he thinks I might be willing to give it a good home). Folks I copied the above message from a local BBS that David Bowerman runs. He's a good fellow so if anyone has a lead then please respond. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 91 07:04:41 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!grad1.cis.upenn.edu!traw@ucsd.edu Subject: wanted: bad sector lockout program Message-ID: <36438@netnews.upenn.edu> I need a program to locate and lock out bad sectors on a hard disk running CP/M 2.2. The machine is a xerox 820-II, using a 10M shugart drive. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 91 12:07:00 GMT From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: wanted: bad sector lockout program Message-ID: <4658@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> You need FINDBAD. This works after formatting disks, and reads sectors to find bad ones. The bad ones are collected in a file stuffed in user number 15. Caution: Under CP/M a sector can belong to more than one logical file. After using FINDBAD, any bad sectors will belong to both the badsector file, and the previous owner. You can use DU to discover this problem. If the file is data, you can recover as much as possible by copying to a file of a different name, and then erasing the previous copy. Check the SIMTEL20 site for FINDBAD. It's a simple idea and works. Clarence Wilkerson ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 91 16:51:42 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!nowster!pm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: ZMP overlay for Televideo Message-ID: If anyone has a ZMP overlay which works on the Televideo 803, could they get in contact with me? (I have an overlay for the other Televideos, but the 803 is quite different in hardware.) -- Paul Martin ..!uunet!tharr!nowster!pm | CP/M systems never die. They pm.nowster@tharr.uucp (pm111@tharr.uucp) | just get more BIOSed with age. <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #20 ************************************ 29-Jan-91 12:25:44-MST,10708;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 91 12:15:05 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #21 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910129121506.V91N21@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 29 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: 8 meg limit (2 msgs) CP/M-68k Kermit CP/M TO MSDOS DISK CONVERTER NEEDED (PD?) (2 msgs) Heath/Zenith Z-100 still being used? HP 125 Boot disk Reply to INFO-CPM Digest V91 #13 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Jan 91 21:23:29 GMT From: usc!samsung!olivea!orc!inews!iwarp.intel.com!ogicse!pdxgate!parsely!percy!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@ucsd.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: 8 meg limit Message-ID: <1991Jan25.212329.27337@techbook.com> In article <4402@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> wilker@descartes.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes: >It seems to me like RLB's reply is a good explanation of why >the maximum size of file would be 8 megs, if we can access >sectors of the file by a 16 bit integer. Why does it dictate >the max. logical size of the disk, however? >Clarence well, it's like this - that same 16 bit integer that is used to address sectors in a file is also used to address blocks in a disk. therefore, the maximum available blocks on a disk is 65536, or 8192K bytes total. to access larger disks you would need a larger block pointer, something on the order of 24 bits or 32 bits. however, there is too much overhead associated with maintaining two pointers, and large ones at that, in an 8 bit system. it is just easier to accept the 16 bit pointers and work with them. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 91 13:23:04 GMT From: usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@apple.com (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: 8 meg limit Message-ID: <4725@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> But the size of a disk block can be large, i.e. 1k, 4k even 16k. Even 1k x 65535 = 64 megs. Of course it's hard to imagine doing a DIR to a disk with 64k 1k files....... Clarence ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 91 22:16:37 GMT From: psuvm!mjm13@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (MARK McKENNA) Subject: CP/M-68k Kermit Message-ID: <91028.171637MJM13@psuvm.psu.edu> Hi... I'm using a old STRIDE computer running cpm-68k. I'm in need of a versio n of kermit which allow transfers of binary files. Does anyone know of an FTP site? (Columbia doesn't seem to have anything) Thanks Mark ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 91 07:09:31 GMT From: usc!samsung!caen!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news@apple.com (George Wang) Subject: CP/M TO MSDOS DISK CONVERTER NEEDED (PD?) Message-ID: <1991Jan29.070931.25589@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Hello, I am looking for a program (Public domain if possible) that will read in a CP/M physically formatted diskette and convert it to a MSDOS readable version... The CP/M machine is a old EPSON CP/M 80 system with 5.25" floppies... Anyone know where I can get this program? Ftp? I think there was a program called XENOCOPY but that was a long time ago... Please email your answers. Thanks! George -- **************************************************************************** * George Wang - Computer Engineering T T * * University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign | T | * * INTERNET: gcw20877@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu \_|_/ * * UUCP: gargoyle!igloo!gwang PH: (217) 332-4019 - * **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 91 18:20:59 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!umriscc!mcs213f.cs.umr.edu!mcastle@ucsd.edu (Mike Castle {Nexus}) Subject: CP/M TO MSDOS DISK CONVERTER NEEDED (PD?) Message-ID: <2043@umriscc.isc.umr.edu> In article <1991Jan29.070931.25589@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gcw20877@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Wang) writes: >Hello, I am looking for a program (Public domain if possible) >that will read in a CP/M physically formatted diskette and >convert it to a MSDOS readable version... The CP/M >machine is a old EPSON CP/M 80 system with 5.25" floppies... The following are several CP/M associated programs. While only the last one really fits you description, I included the others in case you might find something useful. I'm not sure if the conversion program actually has an executable along with the source, but it should not be too much of a problem to find someone to compile it if it's not. Hope this helps. 22DSK134.ZIP PD1: CP/M<->Diskette xfer, over 100 formats. SYDEX AMPROCPM.ARC PD1: Read/write Ampro CP/M disks on MSDOS RWCPM.ARC PD1: Read & Write Epson CP/M diskettes 22NCE130.ZIP PD1: Z80 CP/M emulator for MS-DOS systems. SYDEX AME86.ARC PD1: CP/M-86 emulator for MS-DOS V2080J88.ARC PD1: Run CP/M-80 programs on system with V20 CPU V20BOOT.ZIP PD1: Turbo Pascal source code for V20 CP/M emulator Z80MU52B.ARC PD1: CP/M (Z80 processor) emulator for MS-DOS ZRUN321.ARC PD1: Z80 CP/M emulator for MS-DOS UNCR-DOS.ARC PD1: Uncrunch CP/M '?Z?' crunched files UNCR233.ARC PD1: Uncrunch CP/M 'Z' files on MSDOS, w/wild cards CONVERTB.ARC PD1: Turbo Pascal, convert CP/M data to DOS These are all available at: New Mexico: simtel20.army.mil (26.2.0.74) in the directory listed above (PDx: ) Missouri: wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) in mirrors/msdos/xxxxx Australia: sol.deakin.oz.au (128.184.1.1) in pub/PC/simtel-20/xxxxx There are several mail servers that will process the ftp commands for those who have access to e-mail, but not FTP. Addresses are: In North America (Simtel20 access only): LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU North Dakota State University. LISTSERV@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. In the body of the mail have the command: GET PDGET HELP PCSERV-L Also (any ftp site): BITFTP@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU In the body of the mail have the command: HELP Trickle servers (Simtel20 access only): In Denmark: TRICKLE@DKTC11 In Turkey: TRICKLE@TREARN In Italy: TRICKLE@IMIPOLI In Belgium: TRICKLE@BANUFS11 In Austria: TRICKLE@AWIWUW11 In Germany: TRICKLE@DTUZDV1 In Spain: TRICKLE@EB0UB011 In Israel: TRICKLE@TAUNIVM In Netherlands: TRICKLE@HEARN France: TRICKLE@FRMOP11 Germany: TRICKLE@DB0FUB11 Chile: TRICKLE@USACHVM1 Not sure: TRICKLE@DS0RUS1I (note: these are EARN/BITNET style addresses. Internet users should try BITNET domain addresses such as TRICKLE@TREAN.BITNET) In the body of the mail have the command: /HELP If anyone knows of any other mirrored archives of Simtel20, please let me know and I'll add them to this generic response. Thanks. -- Mike Castle (Nexus) S087891@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU (preferred) | ERROR: Invalid mcastle@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu (unix mail-YEACH!)| command 'HELP' Life is like a clock: You can work constantly, and be right | try 'HELP' all the time, or not work at all, and be right twice a day. | ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 91 17:46:37 GMT From: sun-barr!newstop!eastapps!hienergy!jimv@rutgers.edu (Jim Vienneau - Sun Microsystems) Subject: Heath/Zenith Z-100 still being used? Message-ID: <4076@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> I have some Heath/Zenith Z-100 PCs that I'm trying to find software for. If anyone knows of a user's group, or BBS that support's these systems, I'd sure like to know! It's an interesting piece of computer history, I'd sure like to gather some useful software for them. Thanks in advance for any leads! ps: I can't get to simtel20 from here... Jim Vienneau, Sun Microsystems Inc - Billerica, MA Email: jvienneau@east.sun.com Amateur Radio: WB1B Good old Ma Bell (well old anyway): (508)671-0372 ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 91 23:17:12 GMT From: schulte@june.cs.washington.edu (Richard Schulte) Subject: HP 125 Boot disk Message-ID: <14735@june.cs.washington.edu> A friend of mine picked up an HP 125. Being a neophyte, he erased his one and only boot disk. Does anyone have, or know where another boot disk can be found? Thanks, rich schulte@cs.washington.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 91 14:32:21 -0400 From: EUDOH@sctnve Subject: Reply to INFO-CPM Digest V91 #13 Message-ID: <5B011A0E1D0E013B-SCTNVE*EUDOH@sctnve> hi, anybody have any idea how I can get CP/M for the C-128.... I've tried ordering it, from the company, whose address I didn't think to write down. The money for it was taken out of the bank, but the CP/M never came !!!!!!!!! any ideas ?????? ........................................................................ : << Eudoh@sctnve.bitnet >> ============================ : : /|\ \\ Cyber Lab Consultant // : ) : // Etop Udoh \\ \\ & // : : ) : ------ A2 ------ \\ Computer Operator // : : //!\\ \\\\\\\\ ==================== : : : // \\ !! Computer Operations : : //!!!!!\\ //////// Southern College of Technology : : // \\ !! Marietta, Georgia 30060 : : : // \\ \\\\\\\\ : : Sometimes you just gotta say "what the f*ck" : :......................................................................: ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #21 ************************************ 31-Jan-91 00:00:38-MST,8218;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 30-Jan-91 23:50:48 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 91 23:50:48 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #22 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <910130235048.V91N22@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 30 Jan 91 Volume 91 : Issue 22 Today's Topics: can I use this with my Kaypro 10? CP/M for the C-128 needed Found the Syncronization Error problem with MOVCPM IEEE 488 for S-100 need CP/M file transfer binary for generic machine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Jan 91 07:01:18 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@ucsd.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: can I use this with my Kaypro 10? Message-ID: <85300@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. I got some custom hard drives for peanuts. When I took them apart (a nice enclosure with a PS for 2 HH Hard drives and a fan) I found: 1 custom board (Anyone hear of 8800 buss?) - Nothing interesting. It has one 50 pin connector and out comes another 50 pin connector that hooks with (below) 1 Xebec (FAB 10427 Rev 2 [(A)MLI-6] ASSY 104526) controller board - This has a 50-pin input (will this work with my K10's ribbon cable that connects the motherboard with the WD controller?) Out comes a 34-pin drive control and 20-pin data cables (ST-506) 1 ST-406 Hard drive. Looks old - 1982ish... It's a FH 5 1/4". Now, I know that I can use the enclosure for any standard ST-506 drive (or 2 HH) but I want to know if I can perhaps connect this to any machine. Again, anyone know if the K10 BIOS (CP/M 2.2F in general) supports Xebec controllers? It seems to have the same motherboard-controller cable. Take care. P.S. I asked several questions, here, about CP/M, MBASIC, and other stuff. Does anyone want me to summarize and post? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If reply bounces, try "kwgst@pittvms"... no? try "fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu" Did you hear? Some Poles burned the Russian flag near the Soviet embassy, in Poland. :-) :-) "Nothing is impossible if you don't have to do it yourself." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 91 14:45:47 -0400 From: EUDOH@sctnve Subject: CP/M for the C-128 needed Message-ID: <5B011E0E2A100003-SCTNVE*EUDOH@sctnve> hi, Looking for CP/M for the C-128...... I ordered it a while back and my check was cashed but the disk or anything else never came.... Didn't remember to write down the address or name of the company I ordered it from either (just tore the order form out of the C-128 users manual, and that was that...) really need CP/M for the C128, if anyone can help please speak now..... ........................................................................ : << Eudoh@sctnve.bitnet >> ============================ : : /|\ \\ Cyber Lab Consultant // : ) : // Etop Udoh \\ \\ & // : : ) : ------ A2 ------ \\ Computer Operator // : : //!\\ \\\\\\\\ ==================== : : : // \\ !! Computer Operations : : //!!!!!\\ //////// Southern College of Technology : : // \\ !! Marietta, Georgia 30060 : : : // \\ \\\\\\\\ : : Sometimes you just gotta say "what the f*ck" : :......................................................................: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 1991 13:00:49 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Found the Syncronization Error problem with MOVCPM Message-ID: <"29-Jan-91 16:00:49 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> If you remember, I was having trouble installing ZSDOS on a Xerox 820-II. One of the problems was in using MOVCPM to create an absolute file os the system. I kept getting a SYNCRONIZATION ERROR. Jay Sage explained that this was probably because the system was not created using that version of MOVCPM. I had trouble believing this, because I only HAVE one system disk, and unless it was screwed up, which did not seem to be the case, then MOVCPM and the system HAD to be the same. Well Jay was right, but not in the way he had ment. In playing around with it some more, it seems ZSDOS's INSTALOS modifies MOVCPM or something like that. Using the original master system disk, I formatted a new disk, sysgened it, and then copied MOVCPM and the other files needed to install ZSDOS. I then booted the system using the new disk, and ran MOVCPM. It worked fine, but I didn't do anything else with it. I then ran ZSDOS's INSTALOS in the normal way. Note that it uses MOVCPM. As before, I got the "bit relocatable table not found" error, so I decided to create an absolute file of the system. MOVCPM gave me a SYNCRONIZATION ERROR. I deleted MOVCPM and then copied it over from the master disk again. It ran without a problem. I tried this a couple more times, just to be sure. If I ran INSTALOS in the normal fashon, then I was NOT able to use MOVCPM anymore, until I deleted it, and copied over a new version. Strange! ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 91 21:52:01 GMT From: bbn.com!gonzalez@eddie.mit.edu (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: IEEE 488 for S-100 Message-ID: <62425@bbn.BBN.COM> I was thumbing through the new National Instruments catalog this afternoon. Imagine my surprise at spotting boards for the S-100 bus. They list a DMA-capable IEEE-488 (GPIB) interface for $1295, and I/O port version for $495, and drivers for either one in C for $300. If any wealthy S-100 owners are interested in this, their number is 800-IEEE-488 (that's 800-433-3488). These products also appear in the 1989 edition of the catalog, by the way, at the same prices. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 91 18:38:01 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!frip!andrew@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Klossner) Subject: need CP/M file transfer binary for generic machine Message-ID: <9981@orca.wv.tek.com> After ten years of Wordstar, my TRS-80 model II is fading away (one drive gone, keyboard is flaky, display column 2 overlays column 1), and I've bought a PC clone. I need to get my files off the old 8-inch disks. To that end, I'm looking for a CP/M serial port file transfer program. The constraints: -- It must be for "generic" platforms: it has to restrict itself to BDOS and BIOS calls. Going directly to the I/O ports won't work because the Pickles & Trout BIOS takes interrupts and snarfs input on those ports as soon as it arrives. -- It has to be in assembler or binary form -- I don't have a worthwhile C compiler. Best of all would be a program that runs in server mode, so I don't have to type two commands to transfer one file. Any protocol is okay, I can match software on the PC clone to fit. I tried a KERMIT.ASM with "gener" defined to TRUE, but the darn thing tried to write out my Centronics port. Looks like erroneous manipulation of the IOBYTE. I don't have enough machine left to debug this version. If I can get the software onto my VAX, I can get it onto my CP/M system. My VAX can FTP to much of the internet, but not to SIMTEL20 (sigh). Any references would be greatly appreciated. -=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) [UUCP] (andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA] ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #22 ************************************