1-Sep-92 20:46:56-MDT,8315;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:45:06 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #90 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920901204508.V92N90@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 1 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 90 Today's Topics: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk? Looking for Modem Software Modems and Kaypros Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (5 msgs) Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #80 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 09:41:07 -0500 From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder) Subject: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk? Message-ID: <9209011441.AA16789@tmpcu.mdc.com> I recently purchased the original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 that was mentioned here earlier this summer. The main reason I bought it was for the manual, but the other members of the CP/M SIG and I would like to play around with the distribution disk. All the disk says is that it is in "Xerox" format. Well, one member's Xerox 820 wont read it and wont boot it. Anyone out there know what format to select in one of the format conversion programs (Uniform, 22disk, etc,) to read this disk? Thanks in advance for your help! Curt Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company | ----------------------------------------------------------------| These opinions are mine, mine, mine! I | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com | am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - | ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 15:12:22 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!porpoise!network.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Craig Carpenter) Subject: Looking for Modem Software Message-ID: <1992Sep1.151222.23482@mlb.semi.harris.com> -- I have a Sony Model 35 Series 10 system the has 2 3.5" drives in it. I am looking for some software to drive a modem that also can boot itself or I need a boot disk also. The machine currently only has some word processing software for it, but I would like to use it as a terminal. So, if anyone has or knows where I can get it (ftp or otherwise), please let me know. I also am looking for a cheap 2400 baud modem that will work with this setup. Thanks ============================================================================= Craig Carpenter HARRIS CORPORATION E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD Phone : (407)984-6444 I S D D Fax : (407)984-6327 I SSSSSSSS D D I S D D "Me, Myself, and I have IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD these opinions, not the company" ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 18:01:07 GMT From: synchrods.UUCP!daniel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Senderowicz) Subject: Modems and Kaypros Message-ID: <9209011801.AA11820@synchrods.synchrods.com> I use both QTERM and kermit 4.11 on my kaypro II as terminal programs. QTERM has a command to hang up the modem (^\,) which doesn't seem to work. Has anybody been succesful in hanging up the modem on a kaypro II? I was told that the problem is due to an unusual wiring scheme in the machine. Thanks, Dan (daniel@synchrods.com) ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 92 17:27:29 GMT From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!epx.cis.umn.edu!lemay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lawrence LeMay) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Aug31.172729.26385@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes: >hi, > > > Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... >???????????????????????? >-- >..................................................................... >: Etop Udoh Eudoh@sct.edu : >: 1112 Hudson Rd. Southern College of Technology : >: Marietta, Ga 30060 Marietta, Georgia : >: : >: Abandon all hope ye who have entered " CYBERSPACE " : >:...................................................................: I dunno, but if you find out, LET ME KNOW!!!!! I wanted to buy some of these disks (no hub rings, etc..), but even when i found a place that claimed they had what i wanted (Maxell MD2DD) then gave me MD2D instead....Sigh. -Lawrence LeMay lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 00:26:44 GMT From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net (Bill Marcum) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: In article <1992Aug31.172729.26385@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes: > >I dunno, but if you find out, LET ME KNOW!!!!! > >I wanted to buy some of these disks (no hub rings, etc..), but even when >i found a place that claimed they had what i wanted (Maxell MD2DD) then >gave me MD2D instead....Sigh. > Did you try them? I think 360K disks should work in a 720K drive. Your mileage may vary. Bill Marcum bmarcum@world.std.com ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 03:23:02 GMT From: panix!jeffj@nyu.edu (Jeff Jonas) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep1.032302.10236@panix.com> I've used 360k floppies on my 720k drives and they work fine. Unless you're using real old floppies that are barely qualified for double sided, modern floppies are quite capable of the higher track density. I once calculated the bit densities for track-to-track and bits along a track. Even at double density, the density along a track is significantly higher than track to track. I've done quite well with the bulk floppies. You should not be spending more than a quarter a piece. (heck - I've bought 8" double sided floppies for a dime each, and I've recently been getting them for free). - Jeffrey Jonas jeffj@synsys.uucp ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 92 21:14:08 GMT From: sun-barr!west.West.Sun.COM!hobbes!gerardka@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Gerard Kam) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes: >hi, > > Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... >???????????????????????? >-- Try: Lyben Computer Systems 1-313-649-4500 Global Computer Supplies 1-800-845-6225 Both carry 3M 747-0RH, which is a 5.25" quad density diskette for about $20-$24 per box of 10. I have used 3M DSDD diskettes in 96tpi Shugart and Panasonic drives with no ploblem; they are a lot cheaper than the QD diskettes! Regards -- Gerard ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 07:37:04 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!ifi!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Weber) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep1.073704.13451@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes: > Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... Under DOS I could format standard 360K 5-1/4" disks to 720K with a programm called FDFORMAT. -- Juergen G. Weber Student am Institut fuer Informatik Universitaet Stuttgart - Germany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:26 DST From: ANDREA@AGRCLU.ST.IT Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #80 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #90 ************************************ 2-Sep-92 20:49:37-MDT,9255;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:45:12 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #91 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920902204514.V92N91@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 2 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 91 Today's Topics: COMPUPRO 8-16 FOR SALE (BEAVERTON OR) ncr decisionmate help Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (2 msgs) Re: CPM For Sale (2 msgs) The easiest way to convert formats ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Sep 92 20:39:40 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!robertj@uunet.uu.net (Robert Jaquiss) Subject: COMPUPRO 8-16 FOR SALE (BEAVERTON OR) Message-ID: <1207@tekgen.bv.tek.com> I have a Compupro 8-16 for sale. I bought it for a project but no longer need the equipment. If interested please call or write. Robert Jaquiss Phone: (503) 627-4444 (Work) (503) 626-7174 (Home) Internet: robertj@tekgen.bv.tek.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 92 00:47:55 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!canrem!dosgate![blair.groves%canrem.com]@ames.arc.nasa.gov (blair groves) Subject: ncr decisionmate help Message-ID: <1992Sep1.1042.2819@dosgate> Hello out there in networld! I have just aquired an NCR DecisionMate V computer, and need some help with it: Although I have boot disks and CP/M manuals for it, I have no users manual for the actual machine itself. I will send what it costs to copy your manual if you have such a machine... Second dilemma: the machine came with no I/O ports, I believe these are plug-in modules for RS-232 and Centronics Parallel. Does anyone have any spares of these, or know where I can obtain them? Alternatley, if you can send me a schematic for them, I can produce my own. (Pre-fab'd parts preffered though.) There is also a curious DB-9 male connector on the right-hand side of the keyboard... can anyone tell me what it is used for? Much Thanks in advance for anyone who can help! BTW, I am also looking for a good communications package for the NCR too! blair.groves@canrem.com --- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044 ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 00:36:54 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Aug31.173655.22450@crash> gI have had no trouble at all using generic 360k diskettes at 720k. The track density doubles, but the recording density remains the same. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:36:48 PDT From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <" 2-Sep-92 8:36:48 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap. Note, however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think). I have not used them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried. ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 17:21:35 GMT From: agate!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Craig Carpenter) Subject: Re: CPM For Sale Message-ID: <1992Sep1.172135.27475@mlb.semi.harris.com> --Mail to you bounced so,.............. 550 uonline.com.tcp... 550 Host unknown 550 rjus@uonline.com (ren_just)... Host unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by dw3z.ess.harris.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03964; Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:09:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:09:34 -0400 From: ccarpent To: rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) Subject: Re: CPM For Sale -- --Cardinal 2400 Baud External Modem $ 35 --Plain Hayes compatible (No FAX, MNP), includes --Procomm and Telix to get you started. Good solid --case like external Hayes Smartmodem. Does this include CP/M software (bootable??) or can I get a boot disk from you as well. Need 3.5", I have a Sony Model 35 Series 10 and only have word processing disks for it, not a standalone boot disk. If this will work, I will buy this from you (with cable ??) thanks ============================================================================= Craig Carpenter HARRIS CORPORATION E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD Phone : (407)984-6444 I S D D Fax : (407)984-6327 I SSSSSSSS D D I S D D "Me, Myself, and I have IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD these opinions, not the company" ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 92 02:54:38 GMT From: infoserv!uonline!rjus@uunet.uu.net (ren_just) Subject: Re: CPM For Sale Message-ID: <92.5505@uonline.com> mamason@portroyal.world (Mason) writes: : : I might be interested in the Morrow, depending on cpu/terminal model. : My email to you bounces. : Sorry folks, both the Morrow and the Altos have been sold. After numerous offers, I wish I had more of these units. Surprising how many people are using these things still (or are you folks collecting them for use in a musesum? ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 09:53:57 SET From: Jacques Goldberg Subject: The easiest way to convert formats Message-ID: <9209020357.aa29394@WHARF.BRL.MIL> Hello. May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway idle anywhere. There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples. I also have the Media Master package on CP/M, which costed me some money, but I never use it, as it is so more convenient to transit on a PC with 22DSK. Regards - Jacques ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 22:51:44 CDT From: "Andy Stewart, Reference Librarian" Message-ID: <920901.225144.CDT.C3038B@UMRVMB> May I add to the veritable flurry of CP/M systems being offered for sale?? I have had no mechanical/electronic problems (or, for that matter, modifications) with the Osborne 1 (SS/SD) I bought about ten years ago. Used it for relatively lightweight word processing, and, more recently--very lightly as a terminal to the local "BIG" computer. I don't have any idea as to the market value (but wondered if the Boston Computer Exchange even "lists" Osbornes any more?....), so will be glad to hear from Osborne enthusiasts who may need a working machine for spare parts, as a backup machine, or whatever with offers to purchase!! [Please, I'd feel badly accepting anything over $10,000 :-) ] More details: Grey case Osborne 1, 64K, two floppy drives All original copies of software which was included: Wordstar (v.2.26?) dBase II (never used!!) complete with _two_ manuals and a keyboard template SuperCalc Blue-cover paperback user's manual Osborne Townsend, Carl, _Using dBase II_, Osborne-McGraw-Hill, 1984 Miller, Alan R, Mastering CP/M, Sybex, 1983 IMP (communications) software "ready to go" with cable included 2 dozen or so floppy diskettes whatever else I can find that will fit into the original box and packing material. If you're not interested in buying this package, but have an opinion as to its value, I'd be glad to get a brief message, but it's too late to convince **ME** as to the relative merits of CP/M over DOS. I just don't have the time to dig into the guts to get CP/M to do what I want it to--more or less on my own. Please respond directly--there's no need to clutter up INFO-CPM with responses (this is too long already!) Andy Stewart 314-341-4007 (work) 314-341-2789 (home Internet: c3038b@umrvmb.umr.edu Bitnet: c3038b@umrvmb (I think this will work; I've never tried it) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #91 ************************************ 4-Sep-92 13:18:30-MDT,8047;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13:15:13 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920904131514.V92N92@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 4 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 92 Today's Topics: ASCII transfers cpm-80 to Macintosh os Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (3 msgs) Re: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk? Re: The easiest way to convert formats Term Program for Apple CP/M (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Sep 92 19:04:49 GMT From: mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!bu.edu!dartvax!Walter.E.Stephens@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Walter E. Stephens) Subject: ASCII transfers cpm-80 to Macintosh os Message-ID: <1992Sep3.190449.19115@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> I have an old Epson Geneva PX-8 laptop that I use as a notebook for wordprocessing. Does anyone know of software set-up that will allow me to transfer files (ASCII in Portable WordStar) to the Macintosh? I know it exists because I used to do it regularly four years ago. Unfortunately, the software dreamed up by a developer here no longer works for me, I suspect because my operating system on the Macintosh is too new. I've tried all the old o.s.'s I could get hold of and nothing works. Currently I use Macintosh system 6.0.8 on Mac Plus, SE-30, and LC. Grateful for *any* help. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Sep 92 13:24:11 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!killer@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Francis J Park) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep3.132411.20887@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive? It seems since the media is the same, it should work. -- ****************************************************************************** Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94 Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu S-1, Pershing Rifles, Co E, 8th Rgt WWIVLink 1@14060 ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 3 Sep 92 19:25:11 GMT From: destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@gumby.wisc.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep03.122511.14458@crash> Francis J Park (killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote: : Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive? : It seems since the media is the same, it should work. : Sorry, the media are distinctly NOT the same! It is unlikely that the 720 drive could even successfully format the disk - much less write data to it. The 1.2 floppy requires a much higher magnetic force to write to it. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 05:20:34 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!naos!ewen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) writes: > Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive? > It seems since the media is the same, it should work. > If it were, you could. But it isn't. 1.2MB floppies are High Density. 720K floppies are Quad Density. 360K floppies are Double Density. Now it turns out that the media currently used in 360K floppies copes with 720K format (more tracks, no higher bit density in the track) better than 1.2M floppies (which expect a higher bit density in the track). I've had better results with 360K floppies than I've had with 1.2MB ones, and they're cheaper too :-) > Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94 Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.ed -- Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Sep 92 22:18:40 GMT From: csus.edu!netcom.com!aclark@decwrl.dec.com (Al Clark) Subject: Re: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk? Message-ID: <94lnlwa.aclark@netcom.com> In article <9209011441.AA16789@tmpcu.mdc.com> curts@TMPCU.MDC.COM (Curt Schroeder) writes: > >I recently purchased the original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 that was mentioned >here earlier this summer. The main reason I bought it was for the manual, but >the other members of the CP/M SIG and I would like to play around with the >distribution disk. All the disk says is that it is in "Xerox" format. Well, >one member's Xerox 820 wont read it and wont boot it. Anyone out there know >what format to select in one of the format conversion programs (Uniform, 22disk, >etc,) to read this disk? > >Thanks in advance for your help! > >Curt > The early Kaypro II's could read the Xeror 820 format, as I remember. You might try it out. -- Al - aclark@netcom.com - My opinions are my own. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT From: deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!news!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!atom.enet.dec.com!opalka@decwrl.dec.com (Bill Opalka) Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats Message-ID: <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> |> |>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite |>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway |>idle anywhere. There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its |>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about |>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange |>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard |>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola |>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples. |> |>Regards - Jacques |> I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use a communication program to do the transfer. More than likely it will be easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. Many CPM boxes will allow you to run the comm port a 9600 or 19200 (of course KAYPROs are the exception). I've used this approach for years and I've been very successful at it. Rarely have I not been able to move files from one machine to another. Now if your CPM box nolonger work s, than try the software approach but if you want something quick and dirty use a communication program. /Bill ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 04:23:39 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!aficom!francois@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Francois levesque) Subject: Term Program for Apple CP/M Message-ID: <5D8JqB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca> Would anyone know where I may find a term program that allows an Apple II+, or IIe to write downloaded files to the CPM format? In lieu of that is there a program that turns files downloaded to the DOS 3.3 or Prodos formats to the CP/M format? Any info would be most welcome. Francois Levesque ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 04:23:39 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!aficom!francois@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Francois levesque) Subject: Term Program for Apple CP/M Message-ID: <5D8JqB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca> Would anyone know where I may find a term program that allows an Apple II+, or IIe to write downloaded files to the CPM format? In lieu of that is there a program that turns files downloaded to the DOS 3.3 or Prodos formats to the CP/M format? Any info would be most welcome. Francois Levesque ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #92 ************************************ 5-Sep-92 11:54:02-MDT,9873;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 11:45:18 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #93 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920905114519.V92N93@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 5 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 93 Today's Topics: CP/M make utility CPM Software Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (3 msgs) Re: Access to Internet through CP/M Re: The easiest way to convert formats WANTED: Xerox 820 word processing software ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Sep 92 22:39:23 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!watserv2.uwaterloo.ca!watmath!undergrad.math.waterloo.edu!napier.uwaterloo.ca!dmwick@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dale Wick) Subject: CP/M make utility Message-ID: Does anyonew know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles? And if not, I guess I should port one or something. I would imagine that it could use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are current. BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't include a make utility. Dale -- dmwick@descartes.uwaterloo.ca | Ask me about my Coleco Adam. It does tricks CompuServe: 76545,2566 | Come to AdamCon05 in Salt Lake City, Utah. Sometimes: u190@cs910.cciw.ca | My favorite clone: MS-DOS from CP/M President MTAG -- Metro-Toronto Adam user's Group ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 16:10:42 GMT From: littlei!linda!linda@uunet.uu.net (Linda Harbin) Subject: CPM Software Message-ID: <2313@gandalf.intel.com> We have an old (8 years old) Epson 8086 CPM computer. We recently got a new 386 DOS machine but kept the Epson in hopes of giving it to our 6-yo daughter. We would like to get some educational software and games for it but cannot find anything in the stores. Everything is for Apple of DOS! Can anyone suggest a place where we could get some software for this ancient computer? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. *************************************************** Linda Harbin Hillsboro, Oregon 503-696-2261 linda@littlei.intel.com *************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:54:25 PDT From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) asks: > Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive? > It seems since the media is the same, it should work. Not quite. There *IS* a difference in media between IBM 1.2 meg disks and IBM 360K disks / Quad density 720K disks. If you don't believe me, try taking a 360K disk, and formatting it to 1.2 megs. OTOH, as has been noted you can format 360K disks to 720K (or even 800K) in an IBM 1.2 meg drive: I have a couple of utilities to do this, and use the 800K format for all my archival backups. It provides by far and away the best cost per megabyte: 25 cents for 800K works out to about 32 cents per megabyte. dg --- + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Most GUI's I've seen are pretty gooey ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 19:42:26 GMT From: ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!spt@rutgers.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes: > >> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... > >Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap. Note, >however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think). I have not used >them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried. > I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing this for a few months). Scott ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 21:54:55 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!epx.cis.umn.edu!lemay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lawrence LeMay) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes: >In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes: >> >>> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... >> >>Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap. Note, >>however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think). I have not used >>them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried. >> > >I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing >this for a few months). > > Scott Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies do not have these rings... So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings, for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad density disks? -Lawrence LeMay lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 20:19:12 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!haworth@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Dwight A. Haworth) Subject: Re: Access to Internet through CP/M Message-ID: <1992Sep4.201912.7211@news.unomaha.edu> I use both a 4/84 and a 4+88 to work with the internet. The obstacle you will encounter is that your host machine may not have software that works gracefully with the Kaypro. Some editors presume function keys; some host software does the same. The problem lies not in the Kaypro but in your host mainframe. If your systems people cannot help you out with an editor and/or support for the ADM-3A that the Kaypro emulates, perhaps you can find a keypad redefinition program (several were available for the Kaypro at one time) that will allow you to program the function key codes into the numeric keypad. I'm not sure if it is possible, but it is certainly worth a try if your host system won't support the Kaypro. Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 92 10:03:33 GMT From: access.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!shad04@decwrl.dec.com (Dan Fandrich) Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats Message-ID: <1992Sep5.100333.763@ccu.umanitoba.ca> In article <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> opalka@atom.enet.dec.com (Bill Opalka) writes: >|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite >|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway >|>idle anywhere. There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its >|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about >|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange >|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard >|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola >|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples. >I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use >a communication program to do the transfer. More than likely it will be >easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. I've written Yet Another CP/M disk conversion for the PC which I think is pretty keen. It installs as a device driver instead of being run as a standalone program so you can manipulate files right off your CP/M floppy instead of copying them to an MS-DOS disk first. The drive letter it gives you can be accessed like any MS-DOS drive, but reading your CP/M disk. This would be especially handy when you're running a CP/M emulator like Z80MU or looking at dBase files. It is limited to reading only. I'm finishing up the documentation now, so I'll have a beta test version ready Real Soon Now. If you're interested in beta testing this program (called CP/M Reader), let me know and I'll send you a copy when it's ready. It currently has about 40 or 50 different disk formats built-in, so it should work on just about any 512 byte per sector MFM format disk. I only have my own computer to test it on, so I can only say that Superbrain disks work like a charm (except for my disk alignment problem, grrr). I'll post a notice here when it's out of beta test. >>> Dan -- Internet: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca Compu$erve: 72365,306 ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 92 01:44:00 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!cats.ucsc.edu!scotty@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Scotty Brookie, UCSC Social Sciences Computing) Subject: WANTED: Xerox 820 word processing software Message-ID: <1893d0INN1sm@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Hello, I'm looking for word processing software, preferably Wordstar, that will run on a Xerox 820 with 5.25" disks. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Scotty Brookie scotty@cats.ucsc.edu Social Sciences Computing, UCSC scotty@cats.bitnet Santa Cruz CA 95064 408 459 4625 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #93 ************************************ 5-Sep-92 23:48:39-MDT,12539;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 23:45:34 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #94 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920905234535.V92N94@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 5 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 94 Today's Topics: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92 Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor Re: Z80 language compilers z80 language comp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Sep 92 23:51:58 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep5.235158.15422@bilver.uucp> In article <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes: >Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT >having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies >do not have these rings... >So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings, >for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad >density disks? Hub rings have nothing to do with the density, capacity, etc. The reason hub rings are not needed on the high-density drives, is that the drive spins on inserting the disk. The hub motion is self-centering because of the rotation. The older designed drives, the full-height ones, used varying tapers on the clamping cones. These drives did NOT rotate upon insertion, and the hub rings were the added re-inforcment to keep the center holes of the disks from crimping. You could really crunch the older disks too, as the drive was done via a belt and you could really get some torque going in comparison to the direct drive units. I had disks (in the 1979/80) era that would spin in the full height drives, but would not in the half-height direct drive units. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org bill.vermillion@oau.org - bill@bilver.uucp - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 23:06:54 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92 On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:15:13 MDT said: > >Date: 4 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT >From: > >deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!news!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!atom.enet.dec.com!opalka@decwrl. > dec.com (Bill Opalka) >Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats >Message-ID: <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> > >|> >|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite >|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway >|>idle anywhere. There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its >|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about >|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange >|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard >|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola >|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples. >|> >|>Regards - Jacques >|> > >I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use a > communication program to do the transfer. More than likely it will be easiler > than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. Many CPM > boxes will allow you to run the comm port a 9600 or 19200 (of course KAYPROs > are the exception). I've used this approach for years and I've been very > successful at it. Rarely have I not been able to move files from one machine > to another. Now if your CPM box nolonger works, > than try the software approach but if you want something quick and dirty use > a communication program. >/Bill Sure, Bill, except that you made an implicit assumption which in my case does not work: my Z80 CP/M Lobo is my HOME workhorse, while there is a PC on my OFFICE desk. To follow your recommendation I would need to leave the PC powered up at all times, to inflige a modem to any person calling me when I am out of office, to deny phone calls to my family, and to work much slower than you say with the old 1200 bauds modems which I own. Instead, when I need a copy here and there, 22DSK on the PC does it instantly! By the way in the CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 (not MSDOS, CP/M), there IS a program that works very well on my Lobo to read/write in PC-compatible format, I just forgot its name. / Jacques ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 1:33:30 EDT From: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor Message-ID: <9209060133.18926.w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil> In a three-part uuencoded posting to comp.os.cpm totaling about 180,000 bytes, grebyn!daily!bob@uunet.uu.net (Robert A. Baumann) wrote: > # This is a fully-functional version of Joan Riff's "Z80MU PROFESSIONAL" Z80 > # and CP/M 2.2 Emulator, which allows you to run [most] CP/M 2.2 and Z80 or > # 8080 software on the IBM PC. This is the complete product, an exact image > # of the same emulator (version 5.2B) that we use here at CCS to produce Z80 > # controller software on the PC. > # > # This IS NOT a posting of a new product. It is a reposting of Z80MU > # PROFESSIONAL version 5.2B, necessitated by the flurry of inquiries that we > # are getting from Internet sites, especially in Europe and South America. I'd like to remind you of the long-standing policy against posting binaries to comp.os.cpm or its Internet counterpart the Info-CPM mailing list. The file you posted has been available from the WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil archives for several years. It was obtained direct from a representative of the author. Directory PD1: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== Z80MU52B.ARC B 117207 900108 CP/M (Z80 processor) emulator for MS-DOS An index of all files in the WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil MS-DOS collection is available in two formats: Directory PD1: Filename Type Description ============================================== SIMIBM.ARC B Comma-delim list of all MSDOS files w/descrip. SIMLIST.ARC B Text format list of all MSDOS files w/descrip. These files are updated every 7-10 days. See AAAREAD.ME in that directory for details. SIMTEL20 allows only nine ANONYMOUS FTP logins during weekday prime time, 5am to 3pm Mountain Time (GMT-7), but 27 otherwise. SIMTEL20 files are also available from mirror sites OAK.Oakland.Edu (141.210.10.117), wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4), ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9), nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100), src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.3.7), nic.switch.ch (130.59.1.40) or archie.au (139.130.4.6), by e-mail through the BITNET/EARN file servers, or by uucp from UUNET's 1-900-GOT-SRCS. See UUNET file uunet!~/info/archive-help for details. OAK.Oakland.Edu is the most up-to-date mirror because I maintain it, in addition to my duties at SIMTEL20. I run OAK's mirror program whenever new files are added at SIMTEL20. If you do not have FTP access to SIMTEL20 or its mirrors, files may be ordered by e-mail from LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU or LISTSERV@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU. Domain addresses in other countries: Turkey: trickle@ege.edu.tr Belgium: trickle@ufsia.ac.be Austria: trickle@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at Germany: trickle@rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de Israel: trickle@vm.tau.ac.il Netherlands: trickle@hearn.nic.surfnet.nl France: trickle@frmop11.cnusc.fr Columbia: trickle@unalcol.unal.edu.co Taiwan: trickle@twnmoe10.edu.tw If your mailer wants bang paths: uunet!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv uunet!vm.ecs.rpi.edu!listserv If you use bang paths, substitute your nearest neighbor which is also on the Internet for uunet in the examples above. Some examples are: ames, decvax, decwrl, harvard, hplabs, nosc, rutgers, sharkey, sun, ucbvax, ucsd, udel, uw-beaver, wuarchive. Send this command to the server to get its help file: GET PDGET HELP Sample command (which gets our catalog of MS-DOS files): /PDGET MAIL PD:SIMLIST.ARC UUENCODE These commands should be sent as the body of a regular email message. Do not include a signature because it confuses the server. If you have xxdecode, you may wish to specify XXENCODE instead of UUENCODE to avoid character translation problems. Comments, questions, and suggestions should be directed to the LISTSERV manager at one of these addresses, depending on which server you normally use: Internet BITNET "John Fisher" "Marty Hoag" "TRICKLE Maintainers" Please do NOT send your comment or question about the servers to SIMTEL20. However, if you wish to report a program bug or to request information on how to upload files to SIMTEL20, you may send e-mail to me at one of the addresses below. [Note: Do not use ftp-by-mail servers without the permission of your system administrator and (if fed via uucp) your uucp feed. Thank you. Justification: many sites simply don't have the disk space set up to do this without warning, and mail disruption may result.] Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 92 23:31:25 GMT From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!haworth@uunet.uu.net (Dwight A. Haworth) Subject: Re: Z80 language compilers Message-ID: <1992Sep5.233125.20594@news.unomaha.edu> Mix Software, 2116 E. Arapahoe, Suite 365, Richardson, TX, 75081, used to market a C compiler for CP/M. I still use my copy for CP/M programming and use Turbo C for the DOS environment. Only minor compatibility problems, and they usually arise when I want do use some of the extensions that Turbo C makes available. The Mix C documentation has been worth the price of the compiler. When I bought it the Mix C compiler was selling for under $30, and if it is still sold it should be worth the price. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 92 16:22:48 GMT From: sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!canrem!dosgate![larry.moore%canrem.com]@lll-winken.llnl.gov (larry moore) Subject: z80 language comp Message-ID: <19925.1042.2837@dosgate> Reply_to Message-ID: <9224115.20260@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Z80 language compilers >Hi, >I'm looking for a/some high level language compilers for the z80 series >of processors, eg, C, Basic, whatever.... >Preferably public domain or shareware, can anyone tell me where these >may be found and if they exist? >thanks in advance! > Marc Alexander maa@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au ph +61 3 3447689 fax 3446678 > Electrical and Electronic Eng. Dept. Melbourne University, Australia I hope you have received a number of replies by email, nothing has passed this way in this newsgroup. If Modula-2 is acceptable, there is a compiler package from Workman & Associates - since FTL was written in Queensland Oz, you might already know of this and have a more convenient source. The CP/M version was a very reasonable price and there is a version for MSDOS and TOS. For the language 'C', don't know of a really good public domain compiler package. BDS C isn't PD but is interesting ... | {canrem, dciem}!lfergus!larry | Nanet CP/M conference chair person. | | CP/M UUCP/mail(using David Goodenough's uucp21b on a TeleVideo 803H) | -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #94 ************************************ 8-Sep-92 07:50:10-MDT,9209;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 07:45:22 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920908074523.V92N95@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 8 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 95 Today's Topics: CP/M MAKE UTILITY Moving files between Apple operating systems. Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 TeleVideo mouse software TRS80 Model III for sale Unix on tired iron - info needed about Altos box Western Digital.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Sep 92 04:16:03 GMT From: uunet.ca!canrem!lfergus!larry@uunet.uu.net (Larry Moore) Subject: CP/M MAKE UTILITY Message-ID: In message , Dale Wick asks: >z Newsgroup: comp.os.cpm >z Message-ID: >z Subject: CP/M make utility > >Does anyonew know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles? And if >not, I guess I should port one or something. I would imagine that it could >use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are >current. > >BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't >include a make utility. > > Dale There have been about four different versions of 'make' ported to CP/M. The source for one, in Manx Aztec C was written up in a back issue of 'Doctor Dobb's Journal'. Perhaps you might check the Periodical Index to find the right volume of DDJ, UofWaterloo has/had a fairly complete set of that magazine. If they've done a housecleaning in the last decade, leave a message here with the volume number needed. Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:29:50 -0500 From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder) Subject: Moving files between Apple operating systems. Message-ID: <9209081329.AA01201@tmpcu.mdc.com> There is a shareware utility called Chameleon that can move both text and binary files between DOS 3.3, Prodos 8, CP/M, and Apple Pascal. Works great! If you are using a super serial board and find a CP/M executable that talks to it, I would like to know. I have MEX and the SSB overlay, but have never gotten around to trying to get it working. Curt Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company | ----------------------------------------------------------------| These opinions are mine, mine, mine! I | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com | am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:34:55 -0500 From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder) Subject: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. Message-ID: <9209081334.AA01234@tmpcu.mdc.com> The disk is labeled as using the "Xerox 1800" disk format. Can anyone out there tell me what utility and what equivalent format to use to read this (uniform, 22disk, etc.). All our attempts thus far have come up dry. A Xerox 820 can not read or boot this disk. Thanks in advance for your help! Curt Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company | ----------------------------------------------------------------| These opinions are mine, mine, mine! I | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com | am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - | ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 92 02:35:04 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Christopher Browne) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: <1992Sep7.023504.14440@csi.uottawa.ca> Just as a possible irrelevant question: Can something like this system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible? -- Christopher Browne cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca University of Ottawa Master of System Science Program ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 92 09:00:55 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Grey) Subject: TeleVideo mouse software Message-ID: <18hq47INNsr3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Does anyone know of any software for the TeleVideo TS803, TS803H, or TPC-1 CP/M computers that utilize the TeleVideo SuperMouse besides TeleDraw? I pulled out my SuperMouse and TeleDraw the other day and wondered why there wasn't more software for it. Just thought I'd ask. Take care. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 92 20:34:19 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!daver!ditka!infopro!neptons@uunet.uu.net (Roger Barth) Subject: TRS80 Model III for sale Message-ID: <1476250@neptons.UUCP> I have a trs80 model III computer that works. One of the drives needs some work. TRSIII DOS and NEWDOS are included. Give me an offer plus shipping if you want it. ---- Roger Barth - Cameron Park, California USA Coherent 4.0.1 roger%neptons@antares.intel.com 916-677-9771 (voice) -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ ---- Roger Barth - Cameron Park, California USA Coherent 4.0.1 roger%neptons@antares.intel.com 916-677-9771 (voice) -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 92 03:14:45 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cavebbs!lesley@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lesley Walker) Subject: Unix on tired iron - info needed about Altos box Message-ID: <1992Sep06.031445.29003@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz> sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson) writes: > >In 1982 we were running Xenix on 8086 boxes from >Altos (with an Altos proprietary memory manager) and their own UNIX >port on the Onyx Z-8000 machines mentioned earlier. Both were 512k >machines, and both worked well. That first one sounds like a machine I am currently trying to repair. Does anyone have any technical information about the Altos 586? My immediate problem is with the floppy drive. I bought a replacement floppy drive for the one that died while I was trying to replace the crashed hard disc... The good news is, it is possible to boot up from the new floppy. The bad news is, the system will only read from the floppy if the drive is already spinning when the read attempt is made. Eg, the first boot attempt fails, but the second works, as long as the second attempt starts while the floppy is still spinning from the previous attempt. The question: Is there some way I can wire up the floppy drive so that the motor is always spinning as long as the power is on? (I realise this is a horrible solution, but it's the easiest I can think of) Or is there some sort of Drive Ready signal that I can fake somehow? Would any of the jumpers on the drive have anything do with it? The drive is 5.25" quad density made by Mitsubishi and it has jumpers on it labelled MX, HS, HM. There is a jumper in the HS position. (I have cross-posted fairly widely, and redirected followups to comp.periphs and comp.unix.xenix.misc, as this hardly qualifies as a folklore question) Replies by email would be appreciated, as the system I am posting from expires articles *very* quickly and I could easily miss something important. -- -=- The Leather Goddess (aka Lesley Walker) -=- Wellington, New Zealand -=- lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz Vote for MMP! DoD#258 -=- Yamaha XV1000 -=- Yamaha XS650 -=- Ford Cortina -=- Altos 586 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 3:25:05 EDT From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) Subject: Western Digital.... Message-ID: <9209070725.AA42281@st6000.sct.edu> hi, Does anyone have an address or phone number for Western Digital and do they have a tech support line ?????? -- ..................................................................... : Etop Udoh Eudoh@sct.edu : : 1112 Hudson Rd. Southern College of Technology : : Marietta, Ga 30060 Marietta, Georgia : : : : Abandon all hope ye who have entered " CYBERSPACE " : :...................................................................: ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #95 ************************************ 10-Sep-92 07:21:17-MDT,9628;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 07:15:10 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #96 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920910071511.V92N96@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 10 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 96 Today's Topics: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Re: CP/M make utility (2 msgs) Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 (2 msgs) Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Re: Message for Bill Vermillion Re: Western Digital.... (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:31:25 PDT From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <" 9-Sep-92 9:31:25 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Just to be nit-picky :-) 720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density, though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!! The drives/disks are DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density drive/disk. ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 92 04:53:02 GMT From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!ahm@rutgers.edu (Andreas Meyer) Subject: Re: CP/M make utility Message-ID: <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com> dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes: > Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles? And if > not, I guess I should port one or something. I would imagine that it could > use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are > current. > > BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't > include a make utility. Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA. As I recall, it had a "make" utility. It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines. I played with it for a while, and it's great! (It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS). Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc. Cheers, Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE Warning: due to the shortage of robots, ahm@spatula.rent.com our workers are human and will therefore ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm react unpredictably under stress. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 92 04:23:45 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!gratclif@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory W Ratcliff) Subject: Re: CP/M make utility Message-ID: <1992Sep9.042345.14873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> In article <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com> ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) writes: >dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes: >> Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles? And if >> not, I guess I should port one or something. I would imagine that it could >> use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are >> current. >> >> BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't >> include a make utility. > >Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA. >As I recall, it had a "make" utility. > >It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines. >I played with it for a while, and it's great! >(It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS). > >Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc. > >Cheers, >Andy >-- > Andreas Meyer, N2FYE Warning: due to the shortage of robots, > ahm@spatula.rent.com our workers are human and will therefore > ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm react unpredictably under stress. I've got a copy of C/80 with the mathpack for $30.00, I'll pay shipping in the US. It works great, but we went to Archimedes tools at work. I used it on a pc with z80mu. A great combination. You can single step the code and debug without an ice. Gregory W. Ratcliff -- Gregory W. Ratcliff Ratcliff.8@osu.edu on the internet Columbus, Ohio ICBM nz8r@w8cqk on the air N1697X in the air ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 18:06:57 SET From: Jacques Goldberg Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 direct e-mail bounces. Have you tried reading that diskette with 22DSK138's 5 different Xerox formats? You can't harm your diskette with attempts to read it (protect it first, one never knows). In your place this is certainly how I would begin. Jacques ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 92 17:21:54 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 Message-ID: I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is single density. A standard PC floppy controller probably won't read a single density track, since that pin on the controller is not connected to anything. On the 22DISK DOCUMENTATION near the back, it's explained how to modify a card to read single density. With this modification, I've been able to read single density Osborne and Heathkit diskettes. -- Clarence Wilkerson \ Bitnet: wilker%math.purdue.edu@purccvm Prof. of Math. (topology)\ Internet: wilker@math.purdue.edu Dept. of Mathematics \ messages: (317) 494-1903, FAX 494-0548 Purdue University, \ office: (317) 494-1955 (voice/modem) W. Lafayette, Indiana 47907 \ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 92 03:49:47 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter Klavins) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: bob@grebyn.com (Robert A. Baumann) writes: ># from SEA). There is an accompanying file Z80MUDOC.ARC which contains the ># manual in PostScript format (which may or may not be available at all ># sites which have Z80MU52B.ARC). Z80MUDOC.ARC doesn't seem to be on any of the archie-listable sites. Can you post a pointer to it? Or can you upload it to SIMTEL-20, which doesn't have it? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter Klavins Internet: peter@citr.uq.oz.au Fidonet: 3:640/821 Centre for Information Technology Research Phone: +61 7 365 4321 University of Queensland QLD 4072 Australia Fax: +61 7 365 4399 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 04:00:06 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!bill@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: Message for Bill Vermillion Message-ID: <1992Sep10.040006.1688@bilver.uucp> In article <9209070703.AA25333@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET ("Jacques J. Goldberg") writes: >Bill, >I tried to mail to bill@bilver.oau.org, it bounced back. The question was >to you rather than at large. Remembering your name from the good days of >the LOBO Users Group, I just wanted to ask if you would happen to know of >a hard disk controller for an ST604, or a complete hard disk subsystem, in >working condition? My Adaptec 4010 has died, I purchased one from a Calif. >outlet Computer Surplus that never worked, and one from a reader on this >list that did not work either: none of the 3 passes the self test (blinking >sequence at power up, board unconnected to anything, jumper in place). >My LOBO is so sad to have lost its hard disk that I would consider (did not >say take...) any offer! > Jacques : phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il > ^^ > \\--two ZEROES please Sorry to use the net to reply, but my mail to you bounced. I was forwarded the message. Locally Jim Smith has a pair of Lobo's and does have a hard drive on at least one of them. He should be able to help you out. Address him as js@tous.oau.org Try mailing me at bill.vermillion@oau.org. If that get's through we will have to look at the local aliasing, and then I'll send you more info. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org bill.vermillion@oau.org - bill@bilver.uucp - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 92 15:11:13 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (CP/M lives!) Subject: Re: Western Digital.... Message-ID: <1992Sep8.091113.58707@cc.usu.edu> In article <9209070725.AA42281@st6000.sct.edu>, eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh) writes: > Does anyone have an address or phone number for Western Digital and > do they have a tech support line ?????? I don't have a phone number, but it's been my experience that if it does not involve a PC they won't even know that it ever existed. Roger Ivie ivie@cc.usu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 92 17:39:33 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Western Digital.... Message-ID: <1992Sep08.103933.20789@crash> Western Digital Technical support: (800) 832-4778, 7am--5pm Pacific time, Mon-Fri. BBS (714) 756-1234 [2400-8N1] (714) 753-1068 [9600-8N1] Contains copies of most of their documentation. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #96 ************************************ 12-Sep-92 00:29:43-MDT,10152;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:24:49 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #97 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920912002450.V92N97@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 12 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 97 Today's Topics: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. (2 msgs) simtel *.?z? files Source for xccp Wanted: Motorola M68701EVM Evaluation Module Wanted CPM Emulator Xerox Floppy formats ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Sep 92 02:52:06 GMT From: rde!ksmith!keith@uunet.uu.net (Keith Smith) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep12.025206.2237@ksmith.uucp> In article <".9-Sep-92..9:31:25.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes: > >Just to be nit-picky :-) 720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density, >though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!! The drives/disks are >DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density >drive/disk. > > ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) Hmm, So let's get this straight. They are double track and double density. 2 * 2 = 4. 4 times the density is NOT QUAD density. Got it. To pick a nit .... The org CP/M disks I had were 10 hole hard sectors with 100K per side on a single sided disk, basically DS/QD is 7+ times that. The issue at hand is DENSITY however. Density meaning how tight the bits are packed. Tightly packing the sectors and increasing their size to 512 bytes enabled us to get 180K on the side of a disk rather than the old 100K functionality. This basically put the "bits" almost twice as close together on a given track, hence "double" density. Doubling the number of tracks brings the bits another factor of 2 closer together hence the term "QUAD DENSITY" diskettes. QD diskettes were marketed extensively pre-ibm and clone takeover for hardware such as EPSON, OLIVETTI, SEIKO (Yea The watch guys sold computers!) and my Heathkit. The AT&T 3B2 used these puppies too. Now the quality of standard IBM "Double Density" 360K media is so good it will work fine as 720K "Quad Density" too. The Current Crop of AT/HD stuff is even higher than quad, packing 15 512 byte sectors on a track instead of 9 a factor of 1.7 improvement in density. The 3.5" disks on the other hand STARTED at 720K which was called "double density" so the 1440K 18 SPT 3.5's are now often called "quad density" which is where the confusion may be from. The REAL density improvement on 5.25" has not "really" doubled though. Single Density = 100K per side Double Density = 180K per side really 1.8 density not 2 Quad Density = 360K per side really 3.6 density but advertising you know. High Density = 600K per side They didn't push to "HEPT" density on this one :) Again this is BIT density, nothing to do with actual storage mind you. Also the 3.5's really started out on the HD emulsions. Now the NEW stuff comming out is pushing 10MB on Standard floppy style media. They stopped "densitizing" the names (finally, thank god) and just say "2.4MB" or "5MB" 5-1/4" media. -- Keith Smith uunet!ksmith!keith 5719 Archer Rd. Digital Designs BBS 1-919-423-4216 Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201 Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ... ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 04:49:52 GMT From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@uunet.uu.net (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. Message-ID: <1992Sep09.214953.15599@crash> With a copy of AnaDisk you should be able to determine whether it is readable on a PC, and the characteristics of the format - sector size, interleave, sector numbering, etc. With that information, you should be able to 'build' a custom format identity for 22Disk, and thus read the disk. An alternative is to send the disk to Sydex, along with the 22Disk registration fee, and they will 'build' the format identity for you. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 14:45:40 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nic.umass.edu!umassd.edu!ulowell!woods.ulowell.edu!welchb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. Message-ID: <1992Sep10.094540.1@woods.ulowell.edu> In article <9209081334.AA01234@tmpcu.mdc.com>, curts@TMPCU.MDC.COM (Curt Schroeder) writes: > > The disk is labeled as using the "Xerox 1800" disk format. Can anyone out there > tell me what utility and what equivalent format to use to read this (uniform, > 22disk, etc.). All our attempts thus far have come up dry. A Xerox 820 can > not read or boot this disk. I do not have the direct answer. However, I have something which may be of help to you, or be useful for general info: In the appendix for Kenneth Heyda's "MULTI-SYSTEM 180 with ZCPR2.3" there is a list of system format parameters for about 20 manufacturers. I will copy it to here if desired. E.g., XEROX 820 SD has 18 sectors/track, 128 bytes/sector, and is (of course?) S (=single density). XEROX 820-II DD has 17, 256, and (of course?) D. There is no other Xerox listing. -- Brendan Welch, UMass/Lowell, W1LPG, welchb@woods.ulowell.edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 20:37:13 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!think.com!paperboy.osf.org!hsdndev!cfa203!cfaitamp2.harvard.edu!babb@ames.arc.nasa.gov (James ..-. Babb) Subject: simtel *.?z? files Message-ID: <1992Sep10.203713.4626@cfa203.harvard.edu> On simtel in the pd: directories there are a lot of files with names of the form *.?z? (for example, *.azm, *.izf, *.tzf, etc.) I presume this is some sort of packed file. If this is true, could someone tell me what the unpacker program is? I am using CP/M 2.2G. Thanks in advance, Jim Babb babb@cfa.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:17:25 BST From: jj@scs.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Source for xccp Message-ID: <1986.9209101617@csunb6.scs.leeds.ac.uk> There is an extended ccp called XCCP on simtel20 that I would like the source of if anybody knows where it or its author are could they let me know please. cheers Jim Jackson ======================================================================= Jim Jackson Email : School of Computer Studies UK - JANET : jj@uk.ac.leeds.scs Leeds University Internet : jj@scs.leeds.ac.uk Leeds LS2 9JT UK Phone : +44 532 335451 ======================================================================= Opinions! What Opinions? I just wield the brush round here. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 19:44:49 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard F. Drushel) Subject: Wanted: Motorola M68701EVM Evaluation Module Message-ID: <18o8jhINNm8b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> The title says it all. This board is used to program 68701 microcontrollers (internal EPROM) and can also read 6801s (internal mask ROM). Yes, Motorola still sells them new, but I would like to try for a used board first, hopefully at substantially less than $498.00 :) If you have one lying about unused, or know of one, please reply by E-mail. Many thanks! -- Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG "Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 92 07:59:51 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!NewsWatcher!user@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Prusek) Subject: Wanted CPM Emulator Message-ID: Hello all: Does anyone know of a CPM emulator so I can run CPM80 on platforms that are not of the 8080 family. I know of one for 8086 machine running DOS but am looking for one that runs either on Macintosh computers or Unix boxes. Why? Because I have some CPM software that I run now and again but my Z80 computer is getting old and tired (Drive problems, blown power supplies etc etc). Any help would be appreciated. thanks Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Prusek Phone : 086 40 4590 BHP Information Technology Fax : 086 40 4720 Whyalla [When all is said and done, ] [more will be said and done!] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:52:44 PDT From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Xerox Floppy formats Message-ID: <"11-Sep-92 10:52:44 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is > single density. With the exception of the Xerox 16/8 DEM, all Xerox floppy formats have track 0 formatted as single density. While I fight with 22DISK to get it to work with the Xerox formats, I HAVE gotten it to work. Of course, it does not work for Xerox 820 disks, since they are single density, and the controller in the PC can't handle that (without modifications). I may be way out in left field here, but if I remember right, the first couple of tracks are reserved for the boot sectors, and there should be nothing for 22DISK to read there anyway. ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #97 ************************************ 15-Sep-92 22:52:19-MDT,9052;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 22:45:45 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #98 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920915224546.V92N98@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 15 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 98 Today's Topics: AT&T 3b2 computer.... FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Re: 720k disks Re: AT&T 3b2 computer.... Re: Please help me identify this Kaypro! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 15:35:25 EDT From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) Subject: AT&T 3b2 computer.... Message-ID: <9209121935.AA24144@st6000.sct.edu> hi, looking for software and boot disks for an AT&T 3b2 computer..... -- ..................................................................... : Etop Udoh Eudoh@sct.edu : : 1112 Hudson Rd. Southern College of Technology : : Marietta, Ga 30060 Marietta, Georgia : : : : Abandon all hope ye who have entered " CYBERSPACE " : :...................................................................: ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 92 18:12:47 GMT From: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@g.ms.uky.edu (Craig Carpenter) Subject: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System Message-ID: <1992Sep15.181247.3952@mlb.semi.harris.com> -- I have a Sony Series 35 Model 10 System that I would REALLY like to get rid of. The specs as I know are: Mac SE look-like case 2 - 3.5" drives Parallel and Serial Ports Word Processing Software Package Wide Carriage 40cps daisywheel with Twin-bin sheet feeeder and approx 40 extra ribbons. From what I have learned this is a CP/M system Would like to get $300 for this, but will CERTAINLY entertain ANY offers. Thanks ============================================================================= Craig Carpenter E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com Phone : (407)984-6444 Fax : (407)984-6327 "Me, Myself, and I have these opinions, not the company" ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 92 22:30:14 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!parsifal.umkc.edu!vax1.umkc.edu!lbartel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR Message-ID: <1992Sep14.163014.1@vax1.umkc.edu> I'm writing this on behalf of some friends. What could be causing Wordstar on a Kaypro to loose all digits and punctuation on the monitor after about five minutes of operation? The characters exist in the text file and print fine but do not display on the CRT. After about five minutes of operation these characters are lost but the editing session can still continue with everything behaving normally except for the display. The digits and punctuation characters disappear and are replaced by blank spaces on the CRT. I'm sorry I don't know more specifics on the machine and version of Wordstar being used, but it was purchased, in the US, in the early 80's. This machine has served them very well in Spain, and now in the US. I use Wordstar and CPM on my Apple ][+ and still like it very well. Lawrence Bartel in%"lbartel@vax1.umkc.edu" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:06:39 PDT From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: > What would you say is the equivalent > cost of using 3.5 inch disks formatted to 1.6 MB? They'd have to be less than twice the cost of the cheapest 360K disk you can find to be effective. And that doesn't include the cost of the hole puncher needed to run 720K 3.5" disks at 1.44 meg densities. dg --- + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Be alert! The world needs more lerts ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 92 22:28:00 GMT From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: 720k disks Message-ID: lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes: > > In article spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes: > >I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing > >this for a few months). Well, I've got one up on ya. I've been doing this for a few YEARS. > Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT > having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies > do not have these rings... Believe it or not, I've seen DSHD diskettes WITH hub rings. In fact, I have a few in my collection. I guess a reason that HD diskettes have no hub ring is so then the dumb-ass user can tell the difference between a "360K" disk and a "1.2M" disk just by looking at it. > So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings, > for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad > density disks? I've seen DSDD diskettes without hub rings, but those are a PAIN to find. I wouldn't waste my time worrying about those silly hub rings. Just get DSDD diskettes and get it the hell over with... :-) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 92 13:07:30 GMT From: uunet.ca!geac!r-node!druid!darcy@uunet.uu.net (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) Subject: Re: AT&T 3b2 computer.... Message-ID: <1992Sep15.130730.16037@druid.uucp> eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh) writes: > looking for software and boot disks for an AT&T 3b2 computer..... I didn't know that a 3B2 could even boot CP/M. :-) -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid.com) | D'Arcy Cain Consulting | There's no government Toronto, Ontario, Canada | like no government! +1 416 424 2871 DoD#0082 | ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 92 02:35:08 GMT From: digex.com!gjw@uunet.uu.net (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: Please help me identify this Kaypro! Message-ID: <1992Sep15.023508.3530@access.digex.com> In article <1992Sep13.233104.27654@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kharber@ecn.purdue.edu (Keith A Harber) writes: >I have the following Kaypro portable computer. It has a Z80 in it, runs >CP/M, and has no hard drive--I think it only has 128k ram. It is a 4Mhz Z80A with 64K. > >"Kaypro" in blue on sides of machine, blue keyboard. "Kaypro" on top >left of keyboard. Front of computer has gray CRT, displays green text on >black background. A blue "1" is near the 2 disk drives A and B, which are >half height drives mounted VERTICALLY on the right. On the back of the >machine, underneath the handle, is "KAYPRO 1" in blue, next to it is a >sticker with Kaypro 2 on it, along with FCC ID CUL7XLKP2. The serial # >on the back of the machine is 391875. Other than the reset button, power >switch, fuse, power input, and brightness controls, there is the following: > >J2, six pin phone type connector >J3, serial printer output port >J4, Modem I/O port (serial) >J5, Keyboard 4 pin phone type connector >J6, Parallel Printer output port > >I'd appreciate any help in identifying this Kaypro, someone told me that >Kaypro maybe just had a few Kaypro 1's for testing/prototype purposes, and >it evolved into the Kaypro 2 and this one was modified to be a 2. > >Thanks! > >Keith Harber >kharber@ed.ecn.purdue.edu > No, it really is a Kaypro 1. The Kaypro 1 was introduced around 1985 or so. It came after all of the Kaypro 2's. A brief description of what is has is: 64K, 2 Ds/DD disk drives, 2 serial, 1 parallel, came with CP/M and Perfect Writer. It has what was called the "Universal Roms", which was when Kaypro finally got around to standardizing the roms in all of the machines. I have one of them sitting downstairs, along with an original II'83 and all of the documentation if that can help. I've also cross-posted this to comp.os.cpm (which is why I left in so much of the article. Apologies to those who get concerned about that sort of thing.) Gregory Watson gjw@access.digex.com gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #98 ************************************ 20-Sep-92 22:46:35-MDT,9485;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 92 22:45:06 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #99 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920920224507.V92N99@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 20 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 99 Today's Topics: dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30 dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86 Kaypro with Drivtec Drives need os for kaypro Posting to Usenet / Readnews..... Re: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR Re: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives Televideo TPC-1 CPM Portable PC For Sale Want software for XEROX cpm machine.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Sep 92 09:27:45 GMT From: das.wang.com!wang!news@uunet.uu.net (Joel Jacobsen) Subject: dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30 Message-ID: <2354@itexjct.jct.ac.il> When I'm tring to run dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30, andhave more the aprox. 1 minute 'idle time', the dBASE crash. The system is: Televideo TS-803, 128K RAM TurboDOS 1.30 dBASE running from bank 1 What is wrong? Joel ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 92 11:42:26 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!messmer@uunet.uu.net (Willi Messmer) Subject: dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86 Message-ID: Yes, Ashton's dBase II install.cmd for my cpm86 system is needed. So, if you have one, please mail me. Willi messmer@lut.fi ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 92 03:46:40 GMT From: world!jws@uunet.uu.net (jim w stephens) Subject: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives Message-ID: I am looking for information about some Kaypro computer's which are equipped with Drivtec Drives. These are 3.3Mb capacity drives which were manufactured in the 84-85 timeframe. I believe these machines were called Robie machines or some such. I cannot boot normal 360k floppies on these machines, although the Drivtecs I haved used on PC's will do so. Thanks Jim Stephens jws@world.std.com -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Stephens jws@world.std.com Irvine, Ca -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 92 21:13:07 GMT From: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu!cuajg@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Arthur Gramlich) Subject: need os for kaypro Message-ID: <1992Sep15.211307.11688@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> Hi everyone, My mom recently bought some kaypro computers at an auction? Unfortunatly they didn't have any disks or manuals. Could someone please tell me where I could get the o.s. disks for this computer??? Please E-mail me. Thanks Jay Gramlich cuajg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:56:57 EDT From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) Subject: Posting to Usenet / Readnews..... Message-ID: <9209171556.AA20787@st6000.sct.edu> hi, Wondering if anyone knows of anyway to post to USENET'S comp.sys..... newsgroups ?????? -- ..................................................................... : Etop Udoh Eudoh@sct.edu : : 1112 Hudson Rd. Southern College of Technology : : Marietta, Ga 30060 Marietta, Georgia : : : : Abandon all hope ye who have entered " CYBERSPACE " : :...................................................................: ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 92 15:30:20 GMT From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!jet!dba@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dennis B Armstrong) Subject: Re: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR Message-ID: <1992Sep16.153020.6170@jet.uk> In <1992Sep14.163014.1@vax1.umkc.edu> lbartel@vax1.umkc.edu writes: >I'm writing this on behalf of some friends. What could be causing Wordstar on >a Kaypro to loose all digits and punctuation on the monitor after about five >minutes of operation? The characters exist in the text file and print fine but >do not display on the CRT. After about five minutes of operation these >characters are lost but the editing session can still continue with everything >behaving normally except for the display. The digits and punctuation >characters disappear and are replaced by blank spaces on the CRT. I'm sorry I >don't know more specifics on the machine and version of Wordstar being used, >but it was purchased, in the US, in the early 80's. This machine has served >them very well in Spain, and now in the US. >I use Wordstar and CPM on my Apple ][+ and still like it very well. It sounds like the character generator EPROM is flakey and some of the bits are failing. There was a discussion on this in sci.electronics not so long back. Try removing the EPROM and cleaning the pins if it is socketed, otherwise resolder the pins. good luck dennis -- _. ._______________________. .___________________________________________ _| |___. .__. ._____. .____| |__ Dennis Armstrong, CODAS division | | | |__. | | Joint European Torus | | | :__| | | Abingdon, Oxfordshire, OX14 3EA, UK |~__' : | `--. | | tel ++44 235 464871 ~----~ +----+ +-+ dba@jet.uk - Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not be construed as an official comment from the JET project. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 92 17:21:27 GMT From: sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives Message-ID: <1992Sep16.102128.28214@crash> There were two Kaypro manifestations of the Drivetec 3.3 floppy disk drive. One was the Robie (Darth Vader's lunchbox), and the other was the 4X which was the normal Kaypro box but with Drivetec's vice normal 360's. Either version was capable of reading a 360k disk, *but*, only after booting from the 3.3 disk. Neither version was capable of writing to a 360k disk. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 92 17:03:08 GMT From: mcsun!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org@uunet.uu.net (Bart Jahnke) Subject: Televideo TPC-1 CPM Portable PC For Sale Message-ID: <537@arrl.org> For Sale: Televideo TPC-1 Portable PC. It has two 5-1/4" DSDD drives, and 64k memory (plus a spare 10 k for application software that can utilize the extra memory. Has built-in amber monitor and keyboard which serves as a front panel cover during transit. Have Wordstar, Uniform (a disk read/write utility which permits file transfers to many different operating systems including MS-DOS) and other interesting programs. $115 (or best offer). Shipping negotiable. Contact Bart Jahnke at 203-666-1541 (ext 251) days, 203-742-5128 nights, or Email to "bjahnke@arrl.org". ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 92 03:19:03 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au!ins279k@uunet.uu.net (Martin Halford) Subject: Want software for XEROX cpm machine.... Message-ID: Hi! My Father, not being computer minded, paid too much for a Xerox cpm machine at an auction not so long ago. It came with NO disks, NO documentation and NO refund...... Consequently, he wants me to get it running for him so that he can do some basic word processing, spread sheet and database work. (Nothing fancy, but enough to keep track of bills etc. in his small business) I know absolutely NOTHING about cpm and have only subscribed to this news group to find out if the machine can still be used.... It is a Xerox machine (as already stated) with two 8" floppy drives, and a pretty standard looking CRT. The machine has no visible model name or identifyable markings other than "XEROX" on it's crt case. The machine displays the following message when it is first turned on... XEROX 820 RX VER 1.0... L - LOAD SYSTEM It has a printer port, comm port and the keyboard and disk drives also have port connections going into the crt box where the cpu obviously lives. I opened the crt box to see if there were any easily identifyable chips or interesting helpful "other things" but not much made sense to me (what did I expect?) Does anyone know what sort of software runs on this dinosaur, & where I could get it etc??? What disk format does it use?? Any information (useful or otherwise) would be greatly appreciated!!! Please e-mail me or post replies here... Thanks.....martin (ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au) ps: sorry if this is a FAQ.... -- Martin Halford email: ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au phone: +61 3 836 4531 "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh" -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #99 ************************************ 23-Sep-92 13:49:07-MDT,9271;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:45:24 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #100 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920923134527.V92N100@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 23 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 100 Today's Topics: Gnat Model 10M CP/M Computer Half dead Kaypro II Mysterious Televideo computer Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Re: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System Re: Half dead Kaypro II (2 msgs) Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Re: Mysterious Televideo computer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 92 05:41:59 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Gnat Model 10M CP/M Computer Message-ID: <1992Sep22.224159.16949@crash> I'm looking for any available information *and* a System Disk for a Gnat Model 10M CP/M computer. The machine was built in San Diego CA in about 1984, and is a single unit machine with a 12" screen, two 5.25" FH floppy drives, and a keyboard with 10 function keys, arrow keys, and a numeric keypad all in the same box. Any information - whether software, hardcopy, or lore - will be greatly appreciated. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society donm@crash.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 18:51:00 GMT From: olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!nntp.uoregon.edu!donald.uoregon.edu!rbear@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Richard Bear) Subject: Half dead Kaypro II Message-ID: <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II. I'm still getting by on stone-age stuff: a couple of 8088 XT clones. I have just inherited another KII from a friend's closet which seems to be suffering from failure to communicate with its A drive. Switch on, warms up, CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 92 05:28:35 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!athena.cs.uga.edu!rholmes@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Robb Holmes) Subject: Mysterious Televideo computer Message-ID: <1992Sep21.052835.2679@athena.cs.uga.edu> I have come into possession of a device made by Televideo, and would appreciate any information anyone could supply. I have found no model number on this computer, so I can only report that it is a self-contained unit, with a monitor mounted on vertical pivots. Stacked to the right of the monitor are two 5.25" vertical disk drives. The keyboard, which attaches to the system unit with a coiled cable and modular telephone connector, has a label that says "Tele-PC", and is laid out much like the keyboards on the early IBM PC. Of course, no disks or documentation came with this thing. I'm guessing it's a CP/M machine, but does anyone recognize it from the description? ------- Robb Holmes WUGA-FM Ga. Center for Continuing Ed. Univ. of Georgia rholmes@athena.cs.uga.edu rholmes@uga.cc.uga.edu bitnet:rholmes@uga ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 05:42:59 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Message-ID: <1992Sep22.224300.17008@crash> I'm looking for a System Disk for the OSBORNE VIXEN. Will pay costs of media, mailer, and postage. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society donm@crash.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 17:11:43 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Craig Carpenter) Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System Message-ID: <1992Sep22.171143.18926@mlb.semi.harris.com> ---- --I have a Sony Series 35 Model 10 System that I would REALLY like to get rid of. -- --The specs as I know are: -- -- Mac SE look-like case -- 2 - 3.5" drives -- Parallel and Serial Ports -- Word Processing Software Package -- Wide Carriage 40cps daisywheel -- with Twin-bin sheet feeeder -- and approx 40 extra ribbons. -- -- From what I have learned this is a CP/M system -- --Would like to get $300 for this, but will CERTAINLY entertain ANY offers. -- --Thanks Anybody have any interest in such a system or even the printer. The printer alone has got to be worth at least $150 (ribbons alone cost $120). This thing is taking up a lot of space that I need and really want to get rid of it. Please make some kind of offer. ======================================================================== ====== Craig Carpenter HARRIS CORPORATION E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD Phone : (407)984-6444 I S D D Fax : (407)984-6327 I SSSSSSSS D D I S D D "Me, Myself, and I have IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD these opinions, not the company" ======================================================================== ===== ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 02:48:01 GMT From: digex.com!gjw@uunet.uu.net (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II Message-ID: <1992Sep23.024801.23922@access.digex.com> In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear) writes: >Switch on, warms up, >CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is >not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board >doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines >of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and >maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? Did you also remember to swap the terminating resistor? Also have you tried cleaning the drives? Also try it with just one drive connected. Gregory Watson gjw@access.digex.com gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 01:48:12 GMT From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net (Bill Marcum) Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II Message-ID: In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear) writes: >I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II. >doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines >of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and >maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? When you swapped the drives, did you change the drive select jumpers? Does either one of the drive LEDs come on? Bill Marcum bmarcum@world.std.com b.marcum@genie.geis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:05:07 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: <9209231305.AA07203@LL.MIT.EDU> Christopher Browne (cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca) wrote: >> Just as a possible irrelevant question: Can something like this >> system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible? Probably not. Z80MU does not implement a complete and accurate CP/M system. It does a good enough job to allow one to run most standard CP/M application programs, but it cannot handle operating-system-level stuff. However, there is an extremely nice program by Simeon Cran of Australia called MYZ80. It creates a totally complete CP/M environment, including the file system, and it runs anything that will run under CP/M. It took me less than a minute to have an NZCOM version of Z-System running under it. Look for the file MYZ80100.ZIP on BBSs and (I hope) on SIMTEL20. My 486 PC is now by far my highest performance Z-System Z80/Z180 computer -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 92 13:44:39 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!mde@uunet.uu.net (Michael Dennis Evenson) Subject: Re: Mysterious Televideo computer Message-ID: <66274@cup.portal.com> What you have sounds like a Televideo 1605. It is an MSDOS compatible machine It will run off the shelf MSDOS. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #100 ************************************* 25-Sep-92 17:16:49-MDT,8499;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 17:15:33 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #101 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920925171535.V92N101@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 25 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 101 Today's Topics: cpm_swap_meet dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86 Help with Televideo TS816 Re: Half dead Kaypro II Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted TRS80, a brief introduction.... WANTED - Amstrad serial interface Y Wing II Z280 Development Systems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 92 06:18:32 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!malgudi.oar.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!utcsri!geac!torsqnt!unixbox!dosgate!dosgate![blair.groves%canrem. (blair groves) Subject: cpm_swap_meet Message-ID: <199223.4443.2932@dosgate> The third annual CP/M Swap Meet is tentatively going to take place ... Place: Canada Remote Systems office seminar room Crestlawn Drive, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Date: Saturday October 10, 9:00AM to Noon. Activities: Swap and sale of CP/M computers, terminals, peripherals, and software. Round-Table discussions News on current events Demo's & More Anyone who is interested in CP/M, or wants to buy/sell/swap anything to do with CP/M, is welcome. Please send E-Mail replies to: blair.groves@canrem.com --- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 92 10:04:01 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!kc@uunet.uu.net (Richard Plinston) Subject: dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86 Message-ID: <10292267.36241.1575@kcbbs.gen.nz> >>>>> dBaseII for CP/M-86 Better send me your snail-mail address and disk format required. I'll see what I can do. cheers ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 00:08:33 GMT From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!azog@rutgers.edu (Billy D'Augustine) Subject: Help with Televideo TS816 Message-ID: <1992Sep22.000833.20452@spatula.rent.com> Hiyas all. For some time now, Ive had a TS816 that I didnt do much with, so it sat around idle for about a year. Now the other day when I went to power it on, it wouldnt boot. The belt slipped of the hard drive, and when I put it back on, I fear that I spun the drive motor in reverse. For those not familiar with Quantum 8" drives, this can be A Very Bad Thing. (apperently what happens is the head is mounted on a sort of diagional, and when spun backwards, it gouges the platters) So now I am in sort of a situation. When I first aquired the machine, I used the tape drive to dump all the data onto carts, so I have a backup of all the stuff. But, I cant boot it. The head arm goes into its jumping back and forth fits, and never arrives at the boot track. But, hopefully all is not lost. I have a spare Quantum Q2040 laying about (same size drive), that I can replace it with, but the problem is getting a boot onto it. I know that the 816 can boot from a tape, but I dont have a bootable tape. Is there someone out there who could create one for me, with the dump program on it (and directions, its been a long time and I dont recall the command syntax) so I can restore it? I would reimburse you with a replacement tape, and/or shipping, as you desire Thanx! Billy D'Augustine azog@spatula.rent.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 05:52:38 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!wixer!roadhog@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II Message-ID: <1992Sep23.055238.23749@wixer.cactus.org> In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Ric hard Bear) writes: >I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II. >I'm still getting by on stone-age stuff: a couple of 8088 XT clones. I have >just inherited another KII from a friend's closet which seems to be >suffering from failure to communicate with its A drive. Switch on, warms up, >CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is >not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board >doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines >of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and >maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? In your situation I'd check out your boot disk. You can do this on any MS- DOS machine using one of several programs which will read and write the Kaypro II SSDD format. One such, which I have on my BBS (512-259-1261, the Kaypro Club of Austin (TX)) is 22DISK, a shareware set of programs which allow reading and writing of files to and from floppies using various CP/M formats. Another offering from the same company (Sydex) is ANADISK, also for MS-DOS machines, which will check your boot disk for dead sectors. Our BBS offers assistance for Kaypro CP/M users, in as much as we can over the distances involved. -- "Everything works if you let it" | Lindsay Haisley | roadhog@wixer.cactus.org ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 92 05:44:43 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Message-ID: <1992Sep24.224444.17484@crash> Thanks for the helpful suggestions/hints/leads. I've got 'em now!! ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 11:54:13 GMT From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!messmer@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Willi Messmer) Subject: TRS80, a brief introduction.... Message-ID: Yes, I'm receiving a TRS80 for little money but I actually don't know anything about the hardware facilities it has, only that it has two floppies in it, so what I'm asking is if someone could give me an information package on this beauty. Information like cpu, MHz, the floppydrives, bus, video ... Thanks, Willi messmer@lut.fi Ps. I just don't believe that nobody has dBaseII-86 version.. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 18:03:02 GMT From: pitt.edu!szurek@gatech.edu (Joseph R Szurek) Subject: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface Message-ID: <6135@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> Does anyone have an Amstrad interface unit that you are interested in selling? I have a friend who needs one. Reply to szurek@vms.cis.pitt.edu or post here. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 23:10:07 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!gateway@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Scott M McLewin) Subject: Y Wing II Message-ID: <9209232312.AA04376@ultrix> I used to play a text based game call Y Wing II, or Y2 which ran under CPM 86 on my Zenith Z-100. I cannot find the program anywhere in my archives, and I have this mad urge to play it again. My Z100 looks so unhappy holding paper on the desk like that...... If anybody has this game or knows where I can find it, I would like to get a copy of it. Many thanks Scott smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 22:56:26 GMT From: theory.TC.Cornell.EDU!gould@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (EWD) Subject: Z280 Development Systems Message-ID: <1992Sep22.225626.18865@tc.cornell.edu> Looking for MS-DOS (possibly 486 SVR4) based Z280 Development system with C and assembler for ROMable code. Have looked at SoftTools' system, which looks pretty clean and polished, but it doesn't seem to be quite up to the standards of more modern compilers I had grown used to before finding myself back in the micro world. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Eliot W. Dudley RD 1, Box 66 Cato, New York 13033 315 626 2878 edudley@mailbox.syr.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #101 ************************************* 28-Sep-92 03:18:55-MDT,9972;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:15:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #102 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920928031516.V92N102@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 28 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 102 Today's Topics: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 ????? Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 (2 msgs) Re: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Urgent - Info about communications abilities of a CPC6128 victor 9000 computers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Sep 92 23:41:15 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au!ins279k@uunet.uu.net (Martin Halford) Subject: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 ????? Message-ID: Hi!!! I've been told that the Xerox 820 cpm machine with SSSD 8" drives, is just a Ferguson Big Board "in disguise". Is this true?? What's a Ferguson Big Board??? My hidden agenda is that someone is willing to sell me software for my Xerox 820 which runs on his Ferguson Big Board machine. The claim is that the two machines are identical. Any help would be greatly appreciated..... Thanks..... ......martin -- Martin Halford email: ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au phone: +61 3 836 4531 "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh" -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 92 20:00:41 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard F. Drushel) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: <19t6paINNrbe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> In a previous article, sage@LL.MIT.EDU (Jay Sage) says: > However, there is an extremely nice program by Simeon Cran of >Australia called MYZ80. It creates a totally complete CP/M environment, >including the file system, and it runs anything that will run under CP/M. >It took me less than a minute to have an NZCOM version of Z-System >running under it. Look for the file MYZ80100.ZIP on BBSs and (I hope) on >SIMTEL20. My 486 PC is now by far my highest performance Z-System >Z80/Z180 computer Nope, it's not on SIMTEL20 yet, at least under PD1:. Does this thing have a less extravagant shareware price than Z80MU PROFESSIONAL (i.e. $150.00)? -- Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG "Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 92 00:50:06 GMT From: usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!naos!ewen@uunet.uu.net (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: <82FqRB1w164w@naos.actrix.gen.nz> rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes: > [MYZ80] > Nope, it's not on SIMTEL20 yet, at least under PD1: EMULATORS>. Does this thing have a less extravagant shareware price > than Z80MU PROFESSIONAL (i.e. $150.00)? Yes. Much less. From memory the price is AUS$30 (works out to about US$25 I think). I've had a brief play with MYZ80 and was very impressed. The pop-up "debug" window is very useful (ctrl-break brings up a window which allows single stepping, etc). I brought it up, in the default configuration, out of the box. By default it runs ZPM3 (a CP/M Plus clone) and works very well. Utilities are provided for importing/exporting from the CP/M drive, and there is an API around for talking to the host machines hardware (eg, for serial comms, printer, etc). I would strongly recommend obtaining a copy and having a look at it if you are at all interested in Z80 and/or CP/M emulation. Oh, BTW, it's a true emulator - with a real BIOS, BDOS, and CCP - none of this "emulated BDOS" mess. Simeon Cran, the author, has done a very good job with both MyZ80 and ZP/M 3. I use ZP/M 3 on my main CP/M machine, and it works nicely and is a bit faster than the generic CP/M Plus. MyZ80 is also very fast. I got the impression that on my 286/10 it was an effective 2.5 Mhz Z80 - very very good. > -- > Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNe -- Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 92 17:48:44 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface Message-ID: <1992Sep24.104844.3110@crash> You might try: Amstrad & CP/M stuff Elliam Associates PO Box 2664 Atascadero, CA 93423 805-446-8440 Bill Roch ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 08:47:10 GMT From: news.u.washington.edu!glia!jfoy@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Jeff Foy) Subject: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Message-ID: Today I was given a system that is tagged as TS-806/20. I'm assuming, at least for the moment, that it is a TS-806 computer with a 20 meg hard drive. (I know there's a hard drive but I've not been able to determine what kind it is yet) The system came with five TeleVideo 925 terminals with keyboards. According to what little info came with the system, it seems to run a network-type system called MmmOST with CP/M R 2.2. Ok, the problems: 1) No boot disk. (5.25" floppy drive so assuming this should be a 5.25" floppy diskette -- about 368k I'd imagine. 2) No cable for the hard drive. Two openings on the rear of the machine are labeled WINCH (DATA) and WINCH (CONTROL). I'm assuming this is where the cable is supposed to snake through. 3) The cables for the workstation terminals had been severed so I'll probably need new ones. They seem to be RS-422 D-style connections (15-pins). The questions: 1) Where can I get a boot disk either with or without MmmOST? Cost? 2) Where can I get an appropriate hard drive cable? Cost? 3) Will any RS-422 cables work? If not, where can I get the right type for this setup? The sooner I can get this system online, the sooner I can finish up CP/M ZIP as my other CP/M system (BMC if800) bit the big one about three weeks ago. Comments, pointers, tips, etc. are definitely encouraged. Thanks for your attention. :) -- Jeffery Foy -- Either: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -or- foysys!jeffery@cs.washington.edu *** FREE BILL & KATHY SWAN *** -*- Happy as a clam to be using Professional YAM -*- :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:08:40 From: Giorgos Kavallieratos Subject: Urgent - Info about communications abilities of a CPC6128 Message-ID: <9209251054.aa08910@WHARF.BRL.MIL> Hello, I have an Amstrad CPC 6128 computer, running CP/M plus. I want to access my computer account in the university so since I already have this computer I was wondering if I could use it as a remote terminal. So: 1) I know there is a 'general expansion slot' where I could connect an RS 232 port. So i can connect it to a modem. But, someone told me that regular modems arent 'proper' for Amstrad. I know it sounds silly, because the RS232 port is a standard and modems just 'talk' to it, but before I give all those money for a modem, I wanna be 100% sure that it will work. So, will I have any H/W problems or I will just need regular modem? 2) S/W question: What communications program will I need in order to establish the connection? I am wondering if there is something similar to the PROCOMM thing. Does anyone know any program that could turn my CPC6128 to a network terminal? Can I find anything in some anonymous FTP site? if not, is there anything in the market? does it provide vt100 emulation? Please, if anyone wishes to answer I would appreciate if it will be sent to me by private e-mail because I am not reading the mails of this discussion group. Thanks in advance Giorgos Kavallieratos Univ. of Crete - Greece ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 92 05:37:52 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!gws46142@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Big-guy Lurch ) Subject: victor 9000 computers Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have two Victor 9000 computers from the early '80s, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about them. They run cpm/86 or ms-dos 2.1. It appears that they are running an intel 8088 processor like the IBM pc, but they don't seem to be fully IBM compatible. I do know that the cpm system works right. But anyway, the question is, does anyone know anything about these machines, have any software they will run, or any peripherals with which they are compatible? Also any idea on approximate value if I were to try to sell these things? Thanks Greg Steele gws46142@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu -- Remember, no matter how much shit someone gives you, you can always just kill the bastard. Remind people of this when they start giving you shit, most of the time they get the hint. gws46142@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Big-Guy on irc ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #102 ************************************* 29-Sep-92 15:49:51-MDT,8324;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:45:15 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #103 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920929154517.V92N103@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 29 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 103 Today's Topics: Apologies re: InterMeta course Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Re: victor 9000 computers Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Serial printers WordStar 4.0 for CP/M z80 assembler suggestions desired ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:45 BSC (-0300 C) From: gomide@fpsp.fapesp.br Subject: Apologies re: InterMeta course PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY ! It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this privileges and announced a eletronic course: > ____________________________________________________________ > Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power - > The InterMeta Course > ____________________________________________________________ I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules. PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY! I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been revoked, and there will be no such course through my network. With regards, -- Alberto Courrege Gomide | Fundacao de Amparo `a Pesquisa - (11)831-3357 Software Supervisor | Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05468-901 - Sao Paulo | FAX (11)261-4167 Telex (11)82014 - Brazil (ACG8) - .BR Domain Technical Contact. | ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 04:35:30 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Jeffry_A_Mickey@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Message-ID: <66808@cup.portal.com> > > I'm looking for a System Disk for the OSBORNE VIXEN. Will > pay costs of media, mailer, and postage. > > Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG > of the San Diego Computer Society donm@crash.cts.com > Disks for the Vixen are no problem, and no charge. Where do I send them? jeff Mickey jmic@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 05:29:26 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Message-ID: <1992Sep28.222927.7088@crash> I think that the 'Winch' slots you mention are probably for an external drive. There should be an internal one. Also, on the back panel should be a 25 pin connector marked Terminal. On the machine that I have seen, this was for the 'master' terminal - the others were for 'slave' or 'satellite' terminals. I have a couple of disks with the MmmOST files on them, but neither are bootable. I'd be very interested in a copy of a CP/M 2.2 system disk if you get one, and also a bootable TurboDOS floppy if someone runs across one. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society donm@crash.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 08:12:08 GMT From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mcsun!sun4nl!freya.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: victor 9000 computers Message-ID: <1992Sep28.081208.2186@cs.rug.nl> The victor 9000 is an MS-DOS compatible, definately NOT IBM-PC compatible. I knew someone who had one running. It can redefine ALL it's character fonts, and this option is used in the special basic to 'do' graphics (i.e. the value in the screen memory indexes a (i believe 16x16 or 8x16 dot) bitmap array.) I think it'll run a fair share of MS-DOS programs, but IBM-BIOS compatibility is a problem... Greetings, Bert -- #include Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University Friendly mail to: laverman@cs.rug.nl The rest to: /dev/null ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 19:27:43 GMT From: ogicse!news.u.washington.edu!glia!jfoy@decwrl.dec.com (Jeff Foy) Subject: Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Message-ID: In <1a6p2uINN16o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ed Grey) writes: >I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the >printer driver for the Epson FX-85. When I try to print, I keep >getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory >or it cannot find the printer driver. Qustions: Ed, is WordStar talking directly to the printer or is it going through the BIOS (or BDOS)? I remember having this same problem when I was using 4.0 on CP/M. Removing all the other drivers (ASCII, DRAFT, blah, blah) helped me. -- Jeffery Foy -- Either: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -or- foysys!jeffery@cs.washington.edu *** FREE BILL & KATHY SWAN *** -*- Happy as a clam to be using Professional YAM -*- :) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 11:16:33 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Grey) Subject: Serial printers Message-ID: <1a6pihINN1k5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Anyone out there need a serial printer for their CP/M computer. I have a few 'new' Seikosha SP-1000's and I'm willing to sell them at VERY reasonable prices. If interested, contact via E-mail. Take care. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 11:08:14 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Grey) Subject: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Message-ID: <1a6p2uINN16o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the printer driver for the Epson FX-85. When I try to print, I keep getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory or it cannot find the printer driver. Qustions: 1. How much memory is needed? I've tried with as much as 59K. 2. Is this a normal problem when trying to install a driver for a full featured printer? 3. Is there a way around this problem? Thanks, any help, information and/or suggestions regarding WS4.0 will be greatly appreciated. I've been happy with WS3.3 and only now am I considering switching because I wanted to use additional features of my printer. Take care. NOTE: I've tried using CP/M 2.2, CP/M 3.0 and Z-system. The symtoms don't change. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:29:07 -0500 From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder) Subject: z80 assembler suggestions desired Message-ID: <9209291629.AA11124@tmpcu.mdc.com> Does anyone know of a good freeware/shareware z80 assembler that can produce Microsoft compatible .rel (relocatable) object code? Thanks in advance for your help! Curt Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company | ----------------------------------------------------------------| These opinions are mine, mine, mine! I | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com | am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - | ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #103 ************************************* 30-Sep-92 22:17:56-MDT,10629;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:15:30 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #104 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920930221531.V92N104@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 30 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 104 Today's Topics: Comm program wanted RE: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Transfer cp/m files to elsewhere z80 assembler suggestions desired ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Sep 92 12:27:52 GMT From: MOZART.AERO.UFL.EDU!mauricio@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Comm program wanted Message-ID: <9209301227.AA07482@mozart.aero.ufl.edu> Which shareware program would you recommend to use in a Z80-based CP/M machine (actually, an Apple ][ with a PCPI card)? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:27:41 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: RE: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 Message-ID: <9209301027.AA21428@LL.MIT.EDU> Martin Halford wrote: >> I've been told that the Xerox 820 cpm machine with SSSD 8" drives, is >> just a Ferguson Big Board "in disguise". Is this true?? What's a Ferguson >> Big Board??? It is basically true. Jim Ferguson developed a very nice single-board Z80 computer kit at a very attractive price. That was my first computer, and it was very nicely done. Two other computers used the basic Ferguson design: Xerox and Kaypro. As I understand it, Xerox did the right thing legally and ethically; they paid Ferguson to design a similar board to serve as the basis for their personal computer. But they did the wrong thing technically. They insisted on some changes from the BigBoard design; all, as far as I could tell (I also had a Xerox 820 for a while), made the computer worse! Kaypro, on the other hand, apparently stole the BigBoard concept. However, they did the right thing technically, introducing some nice improvements (such as support for 5" drives). This was the very first Kaypro computer. In Kaypro's defense, I have been told that they did later reach an agreement with Ferguson and did pay him. Unfortunately, Kaypro went downhill from there and developed a knack for coming out with new designs that were worse than their predecessors. I have a Kaypro 286/16 AT clone. It is the only clone on which I have had trouble with standard software. Kaypro's recent bankruptcy was well-earned. The old CP/M machines were probably the best CP/M computers ever made in terms of reliability, and many are still in regular use. >> My hidden agenda is that someone is willing to sell me software for my >> Xerox 820 which runs on his Ferguson Big Board machine. The claim is that >> the two machines are identical. The machines are very nearly identical. This goes back quite a few years, but my recollection is that I could almost always move software between the BigBoard and the 820 without having to make any changes. Of course, you should understand that most software can moved between any CP/M computers. The only changes that are required are configuration for different terminal codes and different port addresses for I/O. The Ferguson boards (including, I believe, the 820 and early Kaypros) used memory-mapped video with BIOS support for terminal emulation. Some BigBoard software actually wrote directly to video RAM for better performance. As I recall, such software on my BigBoard would run on the 820. In short, I think that the BigBoard software will work, but you should ask for the right to return it if it cannot be made to work. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 08:13:13 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!freya.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Message-ID: <1992Sep29.081313.21253@cs.rug.nl> Jeff Foy writes: > Today I was given a system that is tagged as TS-806/20. Hey, here we go again. The Televideo's seem to be in their retirement phase ;-) > I'm assuming, at > least for the moment, that it is a TS-806 computer with a 20 meg hard > drive. (I know there's a hard drive but I've not been able to determine > what kind it is yet) Correct. The TS806-10 had a 10Mb drive. Actually, you'll have only 17MB to use. :-( > The system came with five TeleVideo 925 terminals with keyboards. Thos should be TS800-A's, which are full Z80 systems, but without disks. > According to what little info came with the system, it seems to run a > network-type system called MmmOST with CP/M R 2.2. Mmmost is a program that runs on the 806, and takes care of the 800's disk I/O. It also provides a rough form of protection, and some printer spooling. > Ok, the problems: > 1) No boot disk. (5.25" floppy drive so assuming this should be a 5.25" > floppy diskette -- about 368k I'd imagine. It should boot from the HD. Press the reset button again immediately after booting if it tries to boot from floppy. > 2) No cable for the hard drive. Two openings on the rear of the machine > are labeled WINCH (DATA) and WINCH (CONTROL). I'm assuming this is > where the cable is supposed to snake through. ??? The HD should be inside the 806 case. > 3) The cables for the workstation terminals had been severed so I'll > probably need new ones. They seem to be RS-422 D-style connections > (15-pins). As far as I know that is the case. > The questions: > > 1) Where can I get a boot disk either with or without MmmOST? Cost? If noone in your neighbourhood can help you, I'll send a copy. > 2) Where can I get an appropriate hard drive cable? Cost? I'm not sure. I had a 806/20, but it was scrapped when the HD gave out. Maybe the cables are still somewhere... > 3) Will any RS-422 cables work? If not, where can I get the right type > for this setup? I can check the hardware manual if you like. > The sooner I can get this system online, the sooner I can finish up CP/M > ZIP as my other CP/M system (BMC if800) bit the big one about three > weeks ago. As I said, Help in the states would be fastest, but I'm available as backup :-) Greetings, Bert -- #include Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University Friendly mail to: laverman@cs.rug.nl The rest to: /dev/null ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 16:00:45 GMT From: daffodil!wyvern!waggen!alpha@g.ms.uky.edu (Joe Wright) Subject: Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Message-ID: <1992Sep29.160045.29282@waggen.twuug.com> Ed Grey (ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: : : I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the : printer driver for the Epson FX-85. When I try to print, I keep : getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory : or it cannot find the printer driver. Qustions: : : 1. How much memory is needed? I've tried with as much as 59K. : 2. Is this a normal problem when trying to install a driver for : a full featured printer? : 3. Is there a way around this problem? : : Thanks, any help, information and/or suggestions regarding WS4.0 : will be greatly appreciated. I've been happy with WS3.3 and only : now am I considering switching because I wanted to use additional : features of my printer. Take care. : : : NOTE: I've tried using CP/M 2.2, CP/M 3.0 and Z-system. The symtoms : don't change. : Use wschange to create a smaller WSPRINT.OVR containing only the drivers you need. -- Joe Wright alpha@waggen.twuug.com alpha@wyvern.twuug.com ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 92 10:15:31 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!wn1.sci.kun.nl!sci.kun.nl!adridg@uunet.uu.net (Adriaan de Groot) Subject: Transfer cp/m files to elsewhere Message-ID: Sketch of the situation: there's about 30 cp/m machines 'round here -- ICL Quadra, with one 5 1/4" floppy (no idea 'bout density) and a 10M hard disk. The stuff on the hard disk needs to be transferred to a UNIX system. ---- But how? There's a COM port on these machines, so if some kind soul can provide KERMIT or so, we could download the contents to the UNIX system directly. An alternative is to find a way of reading floppies from these ICLs on an MS DOS machine (if I can find one with a 5 1/4" drive) and I can deal with further transfers myself. Would 22DISK work? I've seen this mentioned several times here, I'm sure I can dredge up an XT to read the floppies with. However, I need to get said 22DISK, and that's easier said than done (really?) Can someone point me to, say, a European cp/m users group, an ftp site for a program to read cp/m floppies. How 'bout vaguely useful hints? Could use them, too. If you need more tech information about these ICL machines, mail me and I'll look it up. EMail to adridg@sci.kun.nl. -- +-------------------------------+-----------------------+ + This...is a public service, + adridg@sci.kun.nl + + announcement...with guitars!+ + ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:52:44 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: z80 assembler suggestions desired Message-ID: <9209301152.AA22974@LL.MIT.EDU> Curt Schroeder wrote: >> Does anyone know of a good freeware/shareware z80 assembler that can >> produce Microsoft compatible .rel (relocatable) object code? I can't speak for freeware/shareware, but Al Hawley's ZMAC package, at $50, is priced close to a shareware level and is an awfully good deal. Except for speed, where the SLR tools reign supreme, ZMAC is probably the highest quality assembler/linker/librarian package available for CP/M. It has a number of features available only in the $195 professional SLR tools (e.g., automatic grouping by the linker of data-segment items at the end of all code-segment items) and some features found nowhere else (e.g., automatic RSX and type-4 Z-System program generation). And Al Hawley continues to make improvements. All other CP/M assemblers are, as far as I know, unsupported. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #104 ************************************* 1-Sep-92 20:46:56-MDT,8315;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:45:06 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #90 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920901204508.V92N90@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 1 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 90 Today's Topics: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk? Looking for Modem Software Modems and Kaypros Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (5 msgs) Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #80 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 09:41:07 -0500 From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder) Subject: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk? Message-ID: <9209011441.AA16789@tmpcu.mdc.com> I recently purchased the original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 that was mentioned here earlier this summer. The main reason I bought it was for the manual, but the other members of the CP/M SIG and I would like to play around with the distribution disk. All the disk says is that it is in "Xerox" format. Well, one member's Xerox 820 wont read it and wont boot it. Anyone out there know what format to select in one of the format conversion programs (Uniform, 22disk, etc,) to read this disk? Thanks in advance for your help! Curt Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company | ----------------------------------------------------------------| These opinions are mine, mine, mine! I | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com | am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - | ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 15:12:22 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!porpoise!network.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Craig Carpenter) Subject: Looking for Modem Software Message-ID: <1992Sep1.151222.23482@mlb.semi.harris.com> -- I have a Sony Model 35 Series 10 system the has 2 3.5" drives in it. I am looking for some software to drive a modem that also can boot itself or I need a boot disk also. The machine currently only has some word processing software for it, but I would like to use it as a terminal. So, if anyone has or knows where I can get it (ftp or otherwise), please let me know. I also am looking for a cheap 2400 baud modem that will work with this setup. Thanks ============================================================================= Craig Carpenter HARRIS CORPORATION E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD Phone : (407)984-6444 I S D D Fax : (407)984-6327 I SSSSSSSS D D I S D D "Me, Myself, and I have IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD these opinions, not the company" ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 18:01:07 GMT From: synchrods.UUCP!daniel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Senderowicz) Subject: Modems and Kaypros Message-ID: <9209011801.AA11820@synchrods.synchrods.com> I use both QTERM and kermit 4.11 on my kaypro II as terminal programs. QTERM has a command to hang up the modem (^\,) which doesn't seem to work. Has anybody been succesful in hanging up the modem on a kaypro II? I was told that the problem is due to an unusual wiring scheme in the machine. Thanks, Dan (daniel@synchrods.com) ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 92 17:27:29 GMT From: att!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!epx.cis.umn.edu!lemay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lawrence LeMay) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Aug31.172729.26385@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes: >hi, > > > Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... >???????????????????????? >-- >..................................................................... >: Etop Udoh Eudoh@sct.edu : >: 1112 Hudson Rd. Southern College of Technology : >: Marietta, Ga 30060 Marietta, Georgia : >: : >: Abandon all hope ye who have entered " CYBERSPACE " : >:...................................................................: I dunno, but if you find out, LET ME KNOW!!!!! I wanted to buy some of these disks (no hub rings, etc..), but even when i found a place that claimed they had what i wanted (Maxell MD2DD) then gave me MD2D instead....Sigh. -Lawrence LeMay lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 00:26:44 GMT From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net (Bill Marcum) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: In article <1992Aug31.172729.26385@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes: > >I dunno, but if you find out, LET ME KNOW!!!!! > >I wanted to buy some of these disks (no hub rings, etc..), but even when >i found a place that claimed they had what i wanted (Maxell MD2DD) then >gave me MD2D instead....Sigh. > Did you try them? I think 360K disks should work in a 720K drive. Your mileage may vary. Bill Marcum bmarcum@world.std.com ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 03:23:02 GMT From: panix!jeffj@nyu.edu (Jeff Jonas) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep1.032302.10236@panix.com> I've used 360k floppies on my 720k drives and they work fine. Unless you're using real old floppies that are barely qualified for double sided, modern floppies are quite capable of the higher track density. I once calculated the bit densities for track-to-track and bits along a track. Even at double density, the density along a track is significantly higher than track to track. I've done quite well with the bulk floppies. You should not be spending more than a quarter a piece. (heck - I've bought 8" double sided floppies for a dime each, and I've recently been getting them for free). - Jeffrey Jonas jeffj@synsys.uucp ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 92 21:14:08 GMT From: sun-barr!west.West.Sun.COM!hobbes!gerardka@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Gerard Kam) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes: >hi, > > Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... >???????????????????????? >-- Try: Lyben Computer Systems 1-313-649-4500 Global Computer Supplies 1-800-845-6225 Both carry 3M 747-0RH, which is a 5.25" quad density diskette for about $20-$24 per box of 10. I have used 3M DSDD diskettes in 96tpi Shugart and Panasonic drives with no ploblem; they are a lot cheaper than the QD diskettes! Regards -- Gerard ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 07:37:04 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!ifi!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Weber) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep1.073704.13451@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <9208300349.AA20646@st6000.sct.edu> eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) writes: > Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... Under DOS I could format standard 360K 5-1/4" disks to 720K with a programm called FDFORMAT. -- Juergen G. Weber Student am Institut fuer Informatik Universitaet Stuttgart - Germany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:26 DST From: ANDREA@AGRCLU.ST.IT Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #80 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #90 ************************************ 2-Sep-92 20:49:37-MDT,9255;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:45:12 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #91 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920902204514.V92N91@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 2 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 91 Today's Topics: COMPUPRO 8-16 FOR SALE (BEAVERTON OR) ncr decisionmate help Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (2 msgs) Re: CPM For Sale (2 msgs) The easiest way to convert formats ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Sep 92 20:39:40 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!robertj@uunet.uu.net (Robert Jaquiss) Subject: COMPUPRO 8-16 FOR SALE (BEAVERTON OR) Message-ID: <1207@tekgen.bv.tek.com> I have a Compupro 8-16 for sale. I bought it for a project but no longer need the equipment. If interested please call or write. Robert Jaquiss Phone: (503) 627-4444 (Work) (503) 626-7174 (Home) Internet: robertj@tekgen.bv.tek.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 92 00:47:55 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!canrem!dosgate![blair.groves%canrem.com]@ames.arc.nasa.gov (blair groves) Subject: ncr decisionmate help Message-ID: <1992Sep1.1042.2819@dosgate> Hello out there in networld! I have just aquired an NCR DecisionMate V computer, and need some help with it: Although I have boot disks and CP/M manuals for it, I have no users manual for the actual machine itself. I will send what it costs to copy your manual if you have such a machine... Second dilemma: the machine came with no I/O ports, I believe these are plug-in modules for RS-232 and Centronics Parallel. Does anyone have any spares of these, or know where I can obtain them? Alternatley, if you can send me a schematic for them, I can produce my own. (Pre-fab'd parts preffered though.) There is also a curious DB-9 male connector on the right-hand side of the keyboard... can anyone tell me what it is used for? Much Thanks in advance for anyone who can help! BTW, I am also looking for a good communications package for the NCR too! blair.groves@canrem.com --- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044 ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 00:36:54 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Aug31.173655.22450@crash> gI have had no trouble at all using generic 360k diskettes at 720k. The track density doubles, but the recording density remains the same. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:36:48 PDT From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <" 2-Sep-92 8:36:48 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap. Note, however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think). I have not used them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried. ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 92 17:21:35 GMT From: agate!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Craig Carpenter) Subject: Re: CPM For Sale Message-ID: <1992Sep1.172135.27475@mlb.semi.harris.com> --Mail to you bounced so,.............. 550 uonline.com.tcp... 550 Host unknown 550 rjus@uonline.com (ren_just)... Host unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: by dw3z.ess.harris.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03964; Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:09:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 11:09:34 -0400 From: ccarpent To: rjus@uonline.com (ren_just) Subject: Re: CPM For Sale -- --Cardinal 2400 Baud External Modem $ 35 --Plain Hayes compatible (No FAX, MNP), includes --Procomm and Telix to get you started. Good solid --case like external Hayes Smartmodem. Does this include CP/M software (bootable??) or can I get a boot disk from you as well. Need 3.5", I have a Sony Model 35 Series 10 and only have word processing disks for it, not a standalone boot disk. If this will work, I will buy this from you (with cable ??) thanks ============================================================================= Craig Carpenter HARRIS CORPORATION E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD Phone : (407)984-6444 I S D D Fax : (407)984-6327 I SSSSSSSS D D I S D D "Me, Myself, and I have IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD these opinions, not the company" ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 92 02:54:38 GMT From: infoserv!uonline!rjus@uunet.uu.net (ren_just) Subject: Re: CPM For Sale Message-ID: <92.5505@uonline.com> mamason@portroyal.world (Mason) writes: : : I might be interested in the Morrow, depending on cpu/terminal model. : My email to you bounces. : Sorry folks, both the Morrow and the Altos have been sold. After numerous offers, I wish I had more of these units. Surprising how many people are using these things still (or are you folks collecting them for use in a musesum? ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 09:53:57 SET From: Jacques Goldberg Subject: The easiest way to convert formats Message-ID: <9209020357.aa29394@WHARF.BRL.MIL> Hello. May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway idle anywhere. There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples. I also have the Media Master package on CP/M, which costed me some money, but I never use it, as it is so more convenient to transit on a PC with 22DSK. Regards - Jacques ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 22:51:44 CDT From: "Andy Stewart, Reference Librarian" Message-ID: <920901.225144.CDT.C3038B@UMRVMB> May I add to the veritable flurry of CP/M systems being offered for sale?? I have had no mechanical/electronic problems (or, for that matter, modifications) with the Osborne 1 (SS/SD) I bought about ten years ago. Used it for relatively lightweight word processing, and, more recently--very lightly as a terminal to the local "BIG" computer. I don't have any idea as to the market value (but wondered if the Boston Computer Exchange even "lists" Osbornes any more?....), so will be glad to hear from Osborne enthusiasts who may need a working machine for spare parts, as a backup machine, or whatever with offers to purchase!! [Please, I'd feel badly accepting anything over $10,000 :-) ] More details: Grey case Osborne 1, 64K, two floppy drives All original copies of software which was included: Wordstar (v.2.26?) dBase II (never used!!) complete with _two_ manuals and a keyboard template SuperCalc Blue-cover paperback user's manual Osborne Townsend, Carl, _Using dBase II_, Osborne-McGraw-Hill, 1984 Miller, Alan R, Mastering CP/M, Sybex, 1983 IMP (communications) software "ready to go" with cable included 2 dozen or so floppy diskettes whatever else I can find that will fit into the original box and packing material. If you're not interested in buying this package, but have an opinion as to its value, I'd be glad to get a brief message, but it's too late to convince **ME** as to the relative merits of CP/M over DOS. I just don't have the time to dig into the guts to get CP/M to do what I want it to--more or less on my own. Please respond directly--there's no need to clutter up INFO-CPM with responses (this is too long already!) Andy Stewart 314-341-4007 (work) 314-341-2789 (home Internet: c3038b@umrvmb.umr.edu Bitnet: c3038b@umrvmb (I think this will work; I've never tried it) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #91 ************************************ 4-Sep-92 13:18:30-MDT,8047;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13:15:13 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920904131514.V92N92@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 4 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 92 Today's Topics: ASCII transfers cpm-80 to Macintosh os Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (3 msgs) Re: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk? Re: The easiest way to convert formats Term Program for Apple CP/M (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Sep 92 19:04:49 GMT From: mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!bu.edu!dartvax!Walter.E.Stephens@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Walter E. Stephens) Subject: ASCII transfers cpm-80 to Macintosh os Message-ID: <1992Sep3.190449.19115@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> I have an old Epson Geneva PX-8 laptop that I use as a notebook for wordprocessing. Does anyone know of software set-up that will allow me to transfer files (ASCII in Portable WordStar) to the Macintosh? I know it exists because I used to do it regularly four years ago. Unfortunately, the software dreamed up by a developer here no longer works for me, I suspect because my operating system on the Macintosh is too new. I've tried all the old o.s.'s I could get hold of and nothing works. Currently I use Macintosh system 6.0.8 on Mac Plus, SE-30, and LC. Grateful for *any* help. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Sep 92 13:24:11 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!killer@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Francis J Park) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep3.132411.20887@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive? It seems since the media is the same, it should work. -- ****************************************************************************** Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94 Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu S-1, Pershing Rifles, Co E, 8th Rgt WWIVLink 1@14060 ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 3 Sep 92 19:25:11 GMT From: destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@gumby.wisc.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep03.122511.14458@crash> Francis J Park (killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu) wrote: : Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive? : It seems since the media is the same, it should work. : Sorry, the media are distinctly NOT the same! It is unlikely that the 720 drive could even successfully format the disk - much less write data to it. The 1.2 floppy requires a much higher magnetic force to write to it. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 05:20:34 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!naos!ewen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) writes: > Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive? > It seems since the media is the same, it should work. > If it were, you could. But it isn't. 1.2MB floppies are High Density. 720K floppies are Quad Density. 360K floppies are Double Density. Now it turns out that the media currently used in 360K floppies copes with 720K format (more tracks, no higher bit density in the track) better than 1.2M floppies (which expect a higher bit density in the track). I've had better results with 360K floppies than I've had with 1.2MB ones, and they're cheaper too :-) > Francis Park, Johns Hopkins (History) '94 Internet: killer@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.ed -- Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Sep 92 22:18:40 GMT From: csus.edu!netcom.com!aclark@decwrl.dec.com (Al Clark) Subject: Re: format for Digital Research CP/M 2.2 distribution disk? Message-ID: <94lnlwa.aclark@netcom.com> In article <9209011441.AA16789@tmpcu.mdc.com> curts@TMPCU.MDC.COM (Curt Schroeder) writes: > >I recently purchased the original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 that was mentioned >here earlier this summer. The main reason I bought it was for the manual, but >the other members of the CP/M SIG and I would like to play around with the >distribution disk. All the disk says is that it is in "Xerox" format. Well, >one member's Xerox 820 wont read it and wont boot it. Anyone out there know >what format to select in one of the format conversion programs (Uniform, 22disk, >etc,) to read this disk? > >Thanks in advance for your help! > >Curt > The early Kaypro II's could read the Xeror 820 format, as I remember. You might try it out. -- Al - aclark@netcom.com - My opinions are my own. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT From: deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!news!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!atom.enet.dec.com!opalka@decwrl.dec.com (Bill Opalka) Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats Message-ID: <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> |> |>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite |>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway |>idle anywhere. There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its |>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about |>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange |>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard |>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola |>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples. |> |>Regards - Jacques |> I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use a communication program to do the transfer. More than likely it will be easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. Many CPM boxes will allow you to run the comm port a 9600 or 19200 (of course KAYPROs are the exception). I've used this approach for years and I've been very successful at it. Rarely have I not been able to move files from one machine to another. Now if your CPM box nolonger work s, than try the software approach but if you want something quick and dirty use a communication program. /Bill ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 04:23:39 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!aficom!francois@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Francois levesque) Subject: Term Program for Apple CP/M Message-ID: <5D8JqB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca> Would anyone know where I may find a term program that allows an Apple II+, or IIe to write downloaded files to the CPM format? In lieu of that is there a program that turns files downloaded to the DOS 3.3 or Prodos formats to the CP/M format? Any info would be most welcome. Francois Levesque ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 04:23:39 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!revcan!micor!aficom!francois@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Francois levesque) Subject: Term Program for Apple CP/M Message-ID: <5D8JqB1w165w@aficom.ocunix.on.ca> Would anyone know where I may find a term program that allows an Apple II+, or IIe to write downloaded files to the CPM format? In lieu of that is there a program that turns files downloaded to the DOS 3.3 or Prodos formats to the CP/M format? Any info would be most welcome. Francois Levesque ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #92 ************************************ 5-Sep-92 11:54:02-MDT,9873;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 11:45:18 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #93 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920905114519.V92N93@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 5 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 93 Today's Topics: CP/M make utility CPM Software Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes (3 msgs) Re: Access to Internet through CP/M Re: The easiest way to convert formats WANTED: Xerox 820 word processing software ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Sep 92 22:39:23 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!watserv2.uwaterloo.ca!watmath!undergrad.math.waterloo.edu!napier.uwaterloo.ca!dmwick@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dale Wick) Subject: CP/M make utility Message-ID: Does anyonew know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles? And if not, I guess I should port one or something. I would imagine that it could use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are current. BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't include a make utility. Dale -- dmwick@descartes.uwaterloo.ca | Ask me about my Coleco Adam. It does tricks CompuServe: 76545,2566 | Come to AdamCon05 in Salt Lake City, Utah. Sometimes: u190@cs910.cciw.ca | My favorite clone: MS-DOS from CP/M President MTAG -- Metro-Toronto Adam user's Group ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 16:10:42 GMT From: littlei!linda!linda@uunet.uu.net (Linda Harbin) Subject: CPM Software Message-ID: <2313@gandalf.intel.com> We have an old (8 years old) Epson 8086 CPM computer. We recently got a new 386 DOS machine but kept the Epson in hopes of giving it to our 6-yo daughter. We would like to get some educational software and games for it but cannot find anything in the stores. Everything is for Apple of DOS! Can anyone suggest a place where we could get some software for this ancient computer? Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. *************************************************** Linda Harbin Hillsboro, Oregon 503-696-2261 linda@littlei.intel.com *************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:54:25 PDT From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: killer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francis J Park) asks: > Can't you just use standard 1.2MB floppies on a 720k drive? > It seems since the media is the same, it should work. Not quite. There *IS* a difference in media between IBM 1.2 meg disks and IBM 360K disks / Quad density 720K disks. If you don't believe me, try taking a 360K disk, and formatting it to 1.2 megs. OTOH, as has been noted you can format 360K disks to 720K (or even 800K) in an IBM 1.2 meg drive: I have a couple of utilities to do this, and use the 800K format for all my archival backups. It provides by far and away the best cost per megabyte: 25 cents for 800K works out to about 32 cents per megabyte. dg --- + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Most GUI's I've seen are pretty gooey ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 19:42:26 GMT From: ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!spt@rutgers.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes: > >> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... > >Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap. Note, >however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think). I have not used >them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried. > I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing this for a few months). Scott ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 21:54:55 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!epx.cis.umn.edu!lemay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lawrence LeMay) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes: >In article <".2-Sep-92..8:36:48.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes: >> >>> Does anyone know where I can buy 720k 5-1/4" DSDD 96tpi diskettes... >> >>Last I knew, Radio Shack sold them ... but the price was NOT cheap. Note, >>however, that modern day DSDD floppies should work (I think). I have not used >>them this way a lot, but have never had problems with those I have tried. >> > >I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing >this for a few months). > > Scott Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies do not have these rings... So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings, for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad density disks? -Lawrence LeMay lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 92 20:19:12 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!haworth@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Dwight A. Haworth) Subject: Re: Access to Internet through CP/M Message-ID: <1992Sep4.201912.7211@news.unomaha.edu> I use both a 4/84 and a 4+88 to work with the internet. The obstacle you will encounter is that your host machine may not have software that works gracefully with the Kaypro. Some editors presume function keys; some host software does the same. The problem lies not in the Kaypro but in your host mainframe. If your systems people cannot help you out with an editor and/or support for the ADM-3A that the Kaypro emulates, perhaps you can find a keypad redefinition program (several were available for the Kaypro at one time) that will allow you to program the function key codes into the numeric keypad. I'm not sure if it is possible, but it is certainly worth a try if your host system won't support the Kaypro. Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 92 10:03:33 GMT From: access.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!shad04@decwrl.dec.com (Dan Fandrich) Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats Message-ID: <1992Sep5.100333.763@ccu.umanitoba.ca> In article <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> opalka@atom.enet.dec.com (Bill Opalka) writes: >|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite >|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway >|>idle anywhere. There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its >|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about >|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange >|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard >|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola >|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples. >I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use >a communication program to do the transfer. More than likely it will be >easiler than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. I've written Yet Another CP/M disk conversion for the PC which I think is pretty keen. It installs as a device driver instead of being run as a standalone program so you can manipulate files right off your CP/M floppy instead of copying them to an MS-DOS disk first. The drive letter it gives you can be accessed like any MS-DOS drive, but reading your CP/M disk. This would be especially handy when you're running a CP/M emulator like Z80MU or looking at dBase files. It is limited to reading only. I'm finishing up the documentation now, so I'll have a beta test version ready Real Soon Now. If you're interested in beta testing this program (called CP/M Reader), let me know and I'll send you a copy when it's ready. It currently has about 40 or 50 different disk formats built-in, so it should work on just about any 512 byte per sector MFM format disk. I only have my own computer to test it on, so I can only say that Superbrain disks work like a charm (except for my disk alignment problem, grrr). I'll post a notice here when it's out of beta test. >>> Dan -- Internet: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca Compu$erve: 72365,306 ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 92 01:44:00 GMT From: van-bc!rsoft!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!cats.ucsc.edu!scotty@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Scotty Brookie, UCSC Social Sciences Computing) Subject: WANTED: Xerox 820 word processing software Message-ID: <1893d0INN1sm@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Hello, I'm looking for word processing software, preferably Wordstar, that will run on a Xerox 820 with 5.25" disks. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Scotty Brookie scotty@cats.ucsc.edu Social Sciences Computing, UCSC scotty@cats.bitnet Santa Cruz CA 95064 408 459 4625 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #93 ************************************ 5-Sep-92 23:48:39-MDT,12539;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 23:45:34 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #94 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920905234535.V92N94@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 5 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 94 Today's Topics: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92 Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor Re: Z80 language compilers z80 language comp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Sep 92 23:51:58 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep5.235158.15422@bilver.uucp> In article <1992Sep4.215455.5222@news2.cis.umn.edu> lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes: >Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT >having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies >do not have these rings... >So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings, >for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad >density disks? Hub rings have nothing to do with the density, capacity, etc. The reason hub rings are not needed on the high-density drives, is that the drive spins on inserting the disk. The hub motion is self-centering because of the rotation. The older designed drives, the full-height ones, used varying tapers on the clamping cones. These drives did NOT rotate upon insertion, and the hub rings were the added re-inforcment to keep the center holes of the disks from crimping. You could really crunch the older disks too, as the drive was done via a belt and you could really get some torque going in comparison to the direct drive units. I had disks (in the 1979/80) era that would spin in the full height drives, but would not in the half-height direct drive units. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org bill.vermillion@oau.org - bill@bilver.uucp - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 23:06:54 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #92 On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:15:13 MDT said: > >Date: 4 Sep 92 16:15:28 GMT >From: > >deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!news!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!atom.enet.dec.com!opalka@decwrl. > dec.com (Bill Opalka) >Subject: Re: The easiest way to convert formats >Message-ID: <1992Sep4.161528.16851@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> > >|> >|>May I suggest that the easiest way to convert formats (I do it quite >|>often) is to execute the job on one of those PC's which are anyway >|>idle anywhere. There is a program at the Simtel PC archive and its >|>replica named 22DSK that does it splendidly. It reads/write just about >|>any format from ready made tables, and if you have one very strange >|>format you can expand the table for your case. It won't work with hard >|>sectored diskettes nor with diskettes written with the Motorola >|>controller chip found on the old timer Commodore C-64 or Apples. >|> >|>Regards - Jacques >|> > >I suggest that if you still have your CPM machine up and running, why not use a > communication program to do the transfer. More than likely it will be easiler > than getting another piece of software and it should be fairly quick. Many CPM > boxes will allow you to run the comm port a 9600 or 19200 (of course KAYPROs > are the exception). I've used this approach for years and I've been very > successful at it. Rarely have I not been able to move files from one machine > to another. Now if your CPM box nolonger works, > than try the software approach but if you want something quick and dirty use > a communication program. >/Bill Sure, Bill, except that you made an implicit assumption which in my case does not work: my Z80 CP/M Lobo is my HOME workhorse, while there is a PC on my OFFICE desk. To follow your recommendation I would need to leave the PC powered up at all times, to inflige a modem to any person calling me when I am out of office, to deny phone calls to my family, and to work much slower than you say with the old 1200 bauds modems which I own. Instead, when I need a copy here and there, 22DSK on the PC does it instantly! By the way in the CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 (not MSDOS, CP/M), there IS a program that works very well on my Lobo to read/write in PC-compatible format, I just forgot its name. / Jacques ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 1:33:30 EDT From: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil (Keith Petersen) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor Message-ID: <9209060133.18926.w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil> In a three-part uuencoded posting to comp.os.cpm totaling about 180,000 bytes, grebyn!daily!bob@uunet.uu.net (Robert A. Baumann) wrote: > # This is a fully-functional version of Joan Riff's "Z80MU PROFESSIONAL" Z80 > # and CP/M 2.2 Emulator, which allows you to run [most] CP/M 2.2 and Z80 or > # 8080 software on the IBM PC. This is the complete product, an exact image > # of the same emulator (version 5.2B) that we use here at CCS to produce Z80 > # controller software on the PC. > # > # This IS NOT a posting of a new product. It is a reposting of Z80MU > # PROFESSIONAL version 5.2B, necessitated by the flurry of inquiries that we > # are getting from Internet sites, especially in Europe and South America. I'd like to remind you of the long-standing policy against posting binaries to comp.os.cpm or its Internet counterpart the Info-CPM mailing list. The file you posted has been available from the WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil archives for several years. It was obtained direct from a representative of the author. Directory PD1: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== Z80MU52B.ARC B 117207 900108 CP/M (Z80 processor) emulator for MS-DOS An index of all files in the WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil MS-DOS collection is available in two formats: Directory PD1: Filename Type Description ============================================== SIMIBM.ARC B Comma-delim list of all MSDOS files w/descrip. SIMLIST.ARC B Text format list of all MSDOS files w/descrip. These files are updated every 7-10 days. See AAAREAD.ME in that directory for details. SIMTEL20 allows only nine ANONYMOUS FTP logins during weekday prime time, 5am to 3pm Mountain Time (GMT-7), but 27 otherwise. SIMTEL20 files are also available from mirror sites OAK.Oakland.Edu (141.210.10.117), wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4), ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9), nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100), src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.3.7), nic.switch.ch (130.59.1.40) or archie.au (139.130.4.6), by e-mail through the BITNET/EARN file servers, or by uucp from UUNET's 1-900-GOT-SRCS. See UUNET file uunet!~/info/archive-help for details. OAK.Oakland.Edu is the most up-to-date mirror because I maintain it, in addition to my duties at SIMTEL20. I run OAK's mirror program whenever new files are added at SIMTEL20. If you do not have FTP access to SIMTEL20 or its mirrors, files may be ordered by e-mail from LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU or LISTSERV@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU. Domain addresses in other countries: Turkey: trickle@ege.edu.tr Belgium: trickle@ufsia.ac.be Austria: trickle@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at Germany: trickle@rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de Israel: trickle@vm.tau.ac.il Netherlands: trickle@hearn.nic.surfnet.nl France: trickle@frmop11.cnusc.fr Columbia: trickle@unalcol.unal.edu.co Taiwan: trickle@twnmoe10.edu.tw If your mailer wants bang paths: uunet!vm1.nodak.edu!listserv uunet!vm.ecs.rpi.edu!listserv If you use bang paths, substitute your nearest neighbor which is also on the Internet for uunet in the examples above. Some examples are: ames, decvax, decwrl, harvard, hplabs, nosc, rutgers, sharkey, sun, ucbvax, ucsd, udel, uw-beaver, wuarchive. Send this command to the server to get its help file: GET PDGET HELP Sample command (which gets our catalog of MS-DOS files): /PDGET MAIL PD:SIMLIST.ARC UUENCODE These commands should be sent as the body of a regular email message. Do not include a signature because it confuses the server. If you have xxdecode, you may wish to specify XXENCODE instead of UUENCODE to avoid character translation problems. Comments, questions, and suggestions should be directed to the LISTSERV manager at one of these addresses, depending on which server you normally use: Internet BITNET "John Fisher" "Marty Hoag" "TRICKLE Maintainers" Please do NOT send your comment or question about the servers to SIMTEL20. However, if you wish to report a program bug or to request information on how to upload files to SIMTEL20, you may send e-mail to me at one of the addresses below. [Note: Do not use ftp-by-mail servers without the permission of your system administrator and (if fed via uucp) your uucp feed. Thank you. Justification: many sites simply don't have the disk space set up to do this without warning, and mail disruption may result.] Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of the MSDOS, MISC and CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 [192.88.110.20] Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 92 23:31:25 GMT From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis.unomaha.edu!haworth@uunet.uu.net (Dwight A. Haworth) Subject: Re: Z80 language compilers Message-ID: <1992Sep5.233125.20594@news.unomaha.edu> Mix Software, 2116 E. Arapahoe, Suite 365, Richardson, TX, 75081, used to market a C compiler for CP/M. I still use my copy for CP/M programming and use Turbo C for the DOS environment. Only minor compatibility problems, and they usually arise when I want do use some of the extensions that Turbo C makes available. The Mix C documentation has been worth the price of the compiler. When I bought it the Mix C compiler was selling for under $30, and if it is still sold it should be worth the price. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 92 16:22:48 GMT From: sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!canrem!dosgate![larry.moore%canrem.com]@lll-winken.llnl.gov (larry moore) Subject: z80 language comp Message-ID: <19925.1042.2837@dosgate> Reply_to Message-ID: <9224115.20260@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Z80 language compilers >Hi, >I'm looking for a/some high level language compilers for the z80 series >of processors, eg, C, Basic, whatever.... >Preferably public domain or shareware, can anyone tell me where these >may be found and if they exist? >thanks in advance! > Marc Alexander maa@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au ph +61 3 3447689 fax 3446678 > Electrical and Electronic Eng. Dept. Melbourne University, Australia I hope you have received a number of replies by email, nothing has passed this way in this newsgroup. If Modula-2 is acceptable, there is a compiler package from Workman & Associates - since FTL was written in Queensland Oz, you might already know of this and have a more convenient source. The CP/M version was a very reasonable price and there is a version for MSDOS and TOS. For the language 'C', don't know of a really good public domain compiler package. BDS C isn't PD but is interesting ... | {canrem, dciem}!lfergus!larry | Nanet CP/M conference chair person. | | CP/M UUCP/mail(using David Goodenough's uucp21b on a TeleVideo 803H) | -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #94 ************************************ 8-Sep-92 07:50:10-MDT,9209;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 07:45:22 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920908074523.V92N95@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 8 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 95 Today's Topics: CP/M MAKE UTILITY Moving files between Apple operating systems. Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 TeleVideo mouse software TRS80 Model III for sale Unix on tired iron - info needed about Altos box Western Digital.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Sep 92 04:16:03 GMT From: uunet.ca!canrem!lfergus!larry@uunet.uu.net (Larry Moore) Subject: CP/M MAKE UTILITY Message-ID: In message , Dale Wick asks: >z Newsgroup: comp.os.cpm >z Message-ID: >z Subject: CP/M make utility > >Does anyonew know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles? And if >not, I guess I should port one or something. I would imagine that it could >use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are >current. > >BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't >include a make utility. > > Dale There have been about four different versions of 'make' ported to CP/M. The source for one, in Manx Aztec C was written up in a back issue of 'Doctor Dobb's Journal'. Perhaps you might check the Periodical Index to find the right volume of DDJ, UofWaterloo has/had a fairly complete set of that magazine. If they've done a housecleaning in the last decade, leave a message here with the volume number needed. Good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:29:50 -0500 From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder) Subject: Moving files between Apple operating systems. Message-ID: <9209081329.AA01201@tmpcu.mdc.com> There is a shareware utility called Chameleon that can move both text and binary files between DOS 3.3, Prodos 8, CP/M, and Apple Pascal. Works great! If you are using a super serial board and find a CP/M executable that talks to it, I would like to know. I have MEX and the SSB overlay, but have never gotten around to trying to get it working. Curt Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company | ----------------------------------------------------------------| These opinions are mine, mine, mine! I | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com | am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 08:34:55 -0500 From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder) Subject: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. Message-ID: <9209081334.AA01234@tmpcu.mdc.com> The disk is labeled as using the "Xerox 1800" disk format. Can anyone out there tell me what utility and what equivalent format to use to read this (uniform, 22disk, etc.). All our attempts thus far have come up dry. A Xerox 820 can not read or boot this disk. Thanks in advance for your help! Curt Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company | ----------------------------------------------------------------| These opinions are mine, mine, mine! I | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com | am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - | ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 92 02:35:04 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!cunews!csi.uottawa.ca!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Christopher Browne) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: <1992Sep7.023504.14440@csi.uottawa.ca> Just as a possible irrelevant question: Can something like this system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible? -- Christopher Browne cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca University of Ottawa Master of System Science Program ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 92 09:00:55 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Grey) Subject: TeleVideo mouse software Message-ID: <18hq47INNsr3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Does anyone know of any software for the TeleVideo TS803, TS803H, or TPC-1 CP/M computers that utilize the TeleVideo SuperMouse besides TeleDraw? I pulled out my SuperMouse and TeleDraw the other day and wondered why there wasn't more software for it. Just thought I'd ask. Take care. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 92 20:34:19 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!sgiblab!daver!ditka!infopro!neptons@uunet.uu.net (Roger Barth) Subject: TRS80 Model III for sale Message-ID: <1476250@neptons.UUCP> I have a trs80 model III computer that works. One of the drives needs some work. TRSIII DOS and NEWDOS are included. Give me an offer plus shipping if you want it. ---- Roger Barth - Cameron Park, California USA Coherent 4.0.1 roger%neptons@antares.intel.com 916-677-9771 (voice) -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ ---- Roger Barth - Cameron Park, California USA Coherent 4.0.1 roger%neptons@antares.intel.com 916-677-9771 (voice) -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 6 Sep 92 03:14:45 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cavebbs!lesley@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lesley Walker) Subject: Unix on tired iron - info needed about Altos box Message-ID: <1992Sep06.031445.29003@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz> sarr@sinshan.citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson) writes: > >In 1982 we were running Xenix on 8086 boxes from >Altos (with an Altos proprietary memory manager) and their own UNIX >port on the Onyx Z-8000 machines mentioned earlier. Both were 512k >machines, and both worked well. That first one sounds like a machine I am currently trying to repair. Does anyone have any technical information about the Altos 586? My immediate problem is with the floppy drive. I bought a replacement floppy drive for the one that died while I was trying to replace the crashed hard disc... The good news is, it is possible to boot up from the new floppy. The bad news is, the system will only read from the floppy if the drive is already spinning when the read attempt is made. Eg, the first boot attempt fails, but the second works, as long as the second attempt starts while the floppy is still spinning from the previous attempt. The question: Is there some way I can wire up the floppy drive so that the motor is always spinning as long as the power is on? (I realise this is a horrible solution, but it's the easiest I can think of) Or is there some sort of Drive Ready signal that I can fake somehow? Would any of the jumpers on the drive have anything do with it? The drive is 5.25" quad density made by Mitsubishi and it has jumpers on it labelled MX, HS, HM. There is a jumper in the HS position. (I have cross-posted fairly widely, and redirected followups to comp.periphs and comp.unix.xenix.misc, as this hardly qualifies as a folklore question) Replies by email would be appreciated, as the system I am posting from expires articles *very* quickly and I could easily miss something important. -- -=- The Leather Goddess (aka Lesley Walker) -=- Wellington, New Zealand -=- lesley@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz Vote for MMP! DoD#258 -=- Yamaha XV1000 -=- Yamaha XS650 -=- Ford Cortina -=- Altos 586 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 3:25:05 EDT From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) Subject: Western Digital.... Message-ID: <9209070725.AA42281@st6000.sct.edu> hi, Does anyone have an address or phone number for Western Digital and do they have a tech support line ?????? -- ..................................................................... : Etop Udoh Eudoh@sct.edu : : 1112 Hudson Rd. Southern College of Technology : : Marietta, Ga 30060 Marietta, Georgia : : : : Abandon all hope ye who have entered " CYBERSPACE " : :...................................................................: ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #95 ************************************ 10-Sep-92 07:21:17-MDT,9628;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 07:15:10 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #96 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920910071511.V92N96@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 10 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 96 Today's Topics: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Re: CP/M make utility (2 msgs) Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 (2 msgs) Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Re: Message for Bill Vermillion Re: Western Digital.... (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:31:25 PDT From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <" 9-Sep-92 9:31:25 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Just to be nit-picky :-) 720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density, though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!! The drives/disks are DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density drive/disk. ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 92 04:53:02 GMT From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!ahm@rutgers.edu (Andreas Meyer) Subject: Re: CP/M make utility Message-ID: <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com> dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes: > Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles? And if > not, I guess I should port one or something. I would imagine that it could > use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are > current. > > BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't > include a make utility. Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA. As I recall, it had a "make" utility. It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines. I played with it for a while, and it's great! (It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS). Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc. Cheers, Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE Warning: due to the shortage of robots, ahm@spatula.rent.com our workers are human and will therefore ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm react unpredictably under stress. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 92 04:23:45 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!gratclif@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Gregory W Ratcliff) Subject: Re: CP/M make utility Message-ID: <1992Sep9.042345.14873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> In article <1992Sep8.045302.11945@spatula.rent.com> ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) writes: >dmwick@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Dale Wick) writes: >> Does anyone know of a CP/M make utility for use with Makefiles? And if >> not, I guess I should port one or something. I would imagine that it could >> use the Archive Bit of the filename to keep track of what modules are >> current. >> >> BTW, I have Aztec Manx C, which is quite good for K&R, but it just doesn't >> include a make utility. > >Check out C/80 by Software Toolworks, Sherman Oaks, CA. >As I recall, it had a "make" utility. > >It went with their product C/NIX, a Unix-like shell for CP/M machines. >I played with it for a while, and it's great! >(It does for CP/M what MKS Toolkit does for DOS). > >Sorry, no idea about current availability, etc. > >Cheers, >Andy >-- > Andreas Meyer, N2FYE Warning: due to the shortage of robots, > ahm@spatula.rent.com our workers are human and will therefore > ..!rutgers!bobsbox!spatula!ahm react unpredictably under stress. I've got a copy of C/80 with the mathpack for $30.00, I'll pay shipping in the US. It works great, but we went to Archimedes tools at work. I used it on a pc with z80mu. A great combination. You can single step the code and debug without an ice. Gregory W. Ratcliff -- Gregory W. Ratcliff Ratcliff.8@osu.edu on the internet Columbus, Ohio ICBM nz8r@w8cqk on the air N1697X in the air ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 18:06:57 SET From: Jacques Goldberg Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 direct e-mail bounces. Have you tried reading that diskette with 22DSK138's 5 different Xerox formats? You can't harm your diskette with attempts to read it (protect it first, one never knows). In your place this is certainly how I would begin. Jacques ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 92 17:21:54 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #95 Message-ID: I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is single density. A standard PC floppy controller probably won't read a single density track, since that pin on the controller is not connected to anything. On the 22DISK DOCUMENTATION near the back, it's explained how to modify a card to read single density. With this modification, I've been able to read single density Osborne and Heathkit diskettes. -- Clarence Wilkerson \ Bitnet: wilker%math.purdue.edu@purccvm Prof. of Math. (topology)\ Internet: wilker@math.purdue.edu Dept. of Mathematics \ messages: (317) 494-1903, FAX 494-0548 Purdue University, \ office: (317) 494-1955 (voice/modem) W. Lafayette, Indiana 47907 \ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 92 03:49:47 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter Klavins) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: bob@grebyn.com (Robert A. Baumann) writes: ># from SEA). There is an accompanying file Z80MUDOC.ARC which contains the ># manual in PostScript format (which may or may not be available at all ># sites which have Z80MU52B.ARC). Z80MUDOC.ARC doesn't seem to be on any of the archie-listable sites. Can you post a pointer to it? Or can you upload it to SIMTEL-20, which doesn't have it? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter Klavins Internet: peter@citr.uq.oz.au Fidonet: 3:640/821 Centre for Information Technology Research Phone: +61 7 365 4321 University of Queensland QLD 4072 Australia Fax: +61 7 365 4399 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 04:00:06 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!cs.ucf.edu!tarpit!bilver!bill@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: Message for Bill Vermillion Message-ID: <1992Sep10.040006.1688@bilver.uucp> In article <9209070703.AA25333@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET ("Jacques J. Goldberg") writes: >Bill, >I tried to mail to bill@bilver.oau.org, it bounced back. The question was >to you rather than at large. Remembering your name from the good days of >the LOBO Users Group, I just wanted to ask if you would happen to know of >a hard disk controller for an ST604, or a complete hard disk subsystem, in >working condition? My Adaptec 4010 has died, I purchased one from a Calif. >outlet Computer Surplus that never worked, and one from a reader on this >list that did not work either: none of the 3 passes the self test (blinking >sequence at power up, board unconnected to anything, jumper in place). >My LOBO is so sad to have lost its hard disk that I would consider (did not >say take...) any offer! > Jacques : phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il > ^^ > \\--two ZEROES please Sorry to use the net to reply, but my mail to you bounced. I was forwarded the message. Locally Jim Smith has a pair of Lobo's and does have a hard drive on at least one of them. He should be able to help you out. Address him as js@tous.oau.org Try mailing me at bill.vermillion@oau.org. If that get's through we will have to look at the local aliasing, and then I'll send you more info. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org bill.vermillion@oau.org - bill@bilver.uucp - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 92 15:11:13 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (CP/M lives!) Subject: Re: Western Digital.... Message-ID: <1992Sep8.091113.58707@cc.usu.edu> In article <9209070725.AA42281@st6000.sct.edu>, eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh) writes: > Does anyone have an address or phone number for Western Digital and > do they have a tech support line ?????? I don't have a phone number, but it's been my experience that if it does not involve a PC they won't even know that it ever existed. Roger Ivie ivie@cc.usu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 92 17:39:33 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Western Digital.... Message-ID: <1992Sep08.103933.20789@crash> Western Digital Technical support: (800) 832-4778, 7am--5pm Pacific time, Mon-Fri. BBS (714) 756-1234 [2400-8N1] (714) 753-1068 [9600-8N1] Contains copies of most of their documentation. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #96 ************************************ 12-Sep-92 00:29:43-MDT,10152;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:24:49 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #97 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920912002450.V92N97@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 12 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 97 Today's Topics: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. (2 msgs) simtel *.?z? files Source for xccp Wanted: Motorola M68701EVM Evaluation Module Wanted CPM Emulator Xerox Floppy formats ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Sep 92 02:52:06 GMT From: rde!ksmith!keith@uunet.uu.net (Keith Smith) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: <1992Sep12.025206.2237@ksmith.uucp> In article <".9-Sep-92..9:31:25.EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com writes: > >Just to be nit-picky :-) 720K 5-1/4" drives/disks are NOT quad density, >though they are sometimes incorrectly called that!! The drives/disks are >DOUBLE DENSITY, but have twice as many TRACKS as a standard Double Density >drive/disk. > > ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) Hmm, So let's get this straight. They are double track and double density. 2 * 2 = 4. 4 times the density is NOT QUAD density. Got it. To pick a nit .... The org CP/M disks I had were 10 hole hard sectors with 100K per side on a single sided disk, basically DS/QD is 7+ times that. The issue at hand is DENSITY however. Density meaning how tight the bits are packed. Tightly packing the sectors and increasing their size to 512 bytes enabled us to get 180K on the side of a disk rather than the old 100K functionality. This basically put the "bits" almost twice as close together on a given track, hence "double" density. Doubling the number of tracks brings the bits another factor of 2 closer together hence the term "QUAD DENSITY" diskettes. QD diskettes were marketed extensively pre-ibm and clone takeover for hardware such as EPSON, OLIVETTI, SEIKO (Yea The watch guys sold computers!) and my Heathkit. The AT&T 3B2 used these puppies too. Now the quality of standard IBM "Double Density" 360K media is so good it will work fine as 720K "Quad Density" too. The Current Crop of AT/HD stuff is even higher than quad, packing 15 512 byte sectors on a track instead of 9 a factor of 1.7 improvement in density. The 3.5" disks on the other hand STARTED at 720K which was called "double density" so the 1440K 18 SPT 3.5's are now often called "quad density" which is where the confusion may be from. The REAL density improvement on 5.25" has not "really" doubled though. Single Density = 100K per side Double Density = 180K per side really 1.8 density not 2 Quad Density = 360K per side really 3.6 density but advertising you know. High Density = 600K per side They didn't push to "HEPT" density on this one :) Again this is BIT density, nothing to do with actual storage mind you. Also the 3.5's really started out on the HD emulsions. Now the NEW stuff comming out is pushing 10MB on Standard floppy style media. They stopped "densitizing" the names (finally, thank god) and just say "2.4MB" or "5MB" 5-1/4" media. -- Keith Smith uunet!ksmith!keith 5719 Archer Rd. Digital Designs BBS 1-919-423-4216 Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201 Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ... ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 04:49:52 GMT From: usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@uunet.uu.net (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. Message-ID: <1992Sep09.214953.15599@crash> With a copy of AnaDisk you should be able to determine whether it is readable on a PC, and the characteristics of the format - sector size, interleave, sector numbering, etc. With that information, you should be able to 'build' a custom format identity for 22Disk, and thus read the disk. An alternative is to send the disk to Sydex, along with the 22Disk registration fee, and they will 'build' the format identity for you. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 14:45:40 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!nic.umass.edu!umassd.edu!ulowell!woods.ulowell.edu!welchb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Original Digital Research CP/M 2.2 disk format. Message-ID: <1992Sep10.094540.1@woods.ulowell.edu> In article <9209081334.AA01234@tmpcu.mdc.com>, curts@TMPCU.MDC.COM (Curt Schroeder) writes: > > The disk is labeled as using the "Xerox 1800" disk format. Can anyone out there > tell me what utility and what equivalent format to use to read this (uniform, > 22disk, etc.). All our attempts thus far have come up dry. A Xerox 820 can > not read or boot this disk. I do not have the direct answer. However, I have something which may be of help to you, or be useful for general info: In the appendix for Kenneth Heyda's "MULTI-SYSTEM 180 with ZCPR2.3" there is a list of system format parameters for about 20 manufacturers. I will copy it to here if desired. E.g., XEROX 820 SD has 18 sectors/track, 128 bytes/sector, and is (of course?) S (=single density). XEROX 820-II DD has 17, 256, and (of course?) D. There is no other Xerox listing. -- Brendan Welch, UMass/Lowell, W1LPG, welchb@woods.ulowell.edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 20:37:13 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!think.com!paperboy.osf.org!hsdndev!cfa203!cfaitamp2.harvard.edu!babb@ames.arc.nasa.gov (James ..-. Babb) Subject: simtel *.?z? files Message-ID: <1992Sep10.203713.4626@cfa203.harvard.edu> On simtel in the pd: directories there are a lot of files with names of the form *.?z? (for example, *.azm, *.izf, *.tzf, etc.) I presume this is some sort of packed file. If this is true, could someone tell me what the unpacker program is? I am using CP/M 2.2G. Thanks in advance, Jim Babb babb@cfa.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:17:25 BST From: jj@scs.leeds.ac.uk Subject: Source for xccp Message-ID: <1986.9209101617@csunb6.scs.leeds.ac.uk> There is an extended ccp called XCCP on simtel20 that I would like the source of if anybody knows where it or its author are could they let me know please. cheers Jim Jackson ======================================================================= Jim Jackson Email : School of Computer Studies UK - JANET : jj@uk.ac.leeds.scs Leeds University Internet : jj@scs.leeds.ac.uk Leeds LS2 9JT UK Phone : +44 532 335451 ======================================================================= Opinions! What Opinions? I just wield the brush round here. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 92 19:44:49 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard F. Drushel) Subject: Wanted: Motorola M68701EVM Evaluation Module Message-ID: <18o8jhINNm8b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> The title says it all. This board is used to program 68701 microcontrollers (internal EPROM) and can also read 6801s (internal mask ROM). Yes, Motorola still sells them new, but I would like to try for a used board first, hopefully at substantially less than $498.00 :) If you have one lying about unused, or know of one, please reply by E-mail. Many thanks! -- Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG "Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 92 07:59:51 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!merlin!NewsWatcher!user@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Prusek) Subject: Wanted CPM Emulator Message-ID: Hello all: Does anyone know of a CPM emulator so I can run CPM80 on platforms that are not of the 8080 family. I know of one for 8086 machine running DOS but am looking for one that runs either on Macintosh computers or Unix boxes. Why? Because I have some CPM software that I run now and again but my Z80 computer is getting old and tired (Drive problems, blown power supplies etc etc). Any help would be appreciated. thanks Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Prusek Phone : 086 40 4590 BHP Information Technology Fax : 086 40 4720 Whyalla [When all is said and done, ] [more will be said and done!] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 07:52:44 PDT From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Xerox Floppy formats Message-ID: <"11-Sep-92 10:52:44 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > I think some of the Xerox 820 formats use a track 0 which is > single density. With the exception of the Xerox 16/8 DEM, all Xerox floppy formats have track 0 formatted as single density. While I fight with 22DISK to get it to work with the Xerox formats, I HAVE gotten it to work. Of course, it does not work for Xerox 820 disks, since they are single density, and the controller in the PC can't handle that (without modifications). I may be way out in left field here, but if I remember right, the first couple of tracks are reserved for the boot sectors, and there should be nothing for 22DISK to read there anyway. ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #97 ************************************ 15-Sep-92 22:52:19-MDT,9052;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 22:45:45 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #98 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920915224546.V92N98@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 15 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 98 Today's Topics: AT&T 3b2 computer.... FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Re: 720k disks Re: AT&T 3b2 computer.... Re: Please help me identify this Kaypro! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 15:35:25 EDT From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) Subject: AT&T 3b2 computer.... Message-ID: <9209121935.AA24144@st6000.sct.edu> hi, looking for software and boot disks for an AT&T 3b2 computer..... -- ..................................................................... : Etop Udoh Eudoh@sct.edu : : 1112 Hudson Rd. Southern College of Technology : : Marietta, Ga 30060 Marietta, Georgia : : : : Abandon all hope ye who have entered " CYBERSPACE " : :...................................................................: ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 92 18:12:47 GMT From: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@g.ms.uky.edu (Craig Carpenter) Subject: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System Message-ID: <1992Sep15.181247.3952@mlb.semi.harris.com> -- I have a Sony Series 35 Model 10 System that I would REALLY like to get rid of. The specs as I know are: Mac SE look-like case 2 - 3.5" drives Parallel and Serial Ports Word Processing Software Package Wide Carriage 40cps daisywheel with Twin-bin sheet feeeder and approx 40 extra ribbons. From what I have learned this is a CP/M system Would like to get $300 for this, but will CERTAINLY entertain ANY offers. Thanks ============================================================================= Craig Carpenter E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com Phone : (407)984-6444 Fax : (407)984-6327 "Me, Myself, and I have these opinions, not the company" ============================================================================ ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 92 22:30:14 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!parsifal.umkc.edu!vax1.umkc.edu!lbartel@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR Message-ID: <1992Sep14.163014.1@vax1.umkc.edu> I'm writing this on behalf of some friends. What could be causing Wordstar on a Kaypro to loose all digits and punctuation on the monitor after about five minutes of operation? The characters exist in the text file and print fine but do not display on the CRT. After about five minutes of operation these characters are lost but the editing session can still continue with everything behaving normally except for the display. The digits and punctuation characters disappear and are replaced by blank spaces on the CRT. I'm sorry I don't know more specifics on the machine and version of Wordstar being used, but it was purchased, in the US, in the early 80's. This machine has served them very well in Spain, and now in the US. I use Wordstar and CPM on my Apple ][+ and still like it very well. Lawrence Bartel in%"lbartel@vax1.umkc.edu" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:06:39 PDT From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough) Subject: Re: 720K 5-1/4" diskettes Message-ID: > What would you say is the equivalent > cost of using 3.5 inch disks formatted to 1.6 MB? They'd have to be less than twice the cost of the cheapest 360K disk you can find to be effective. And that doesn't include the cost of the hole puncher needed to run 720K 3.5" disks at 1.44 meg densities. dg --- + SLMR 2.1a #1246 + Be alert! The world needs more lerts ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 92 22:28:00 GMT From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian Justman) Subject: Re: 720k disks Message-ID: lemay@epx.cis.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) writes: > > In article spt@acsu.buffalo.edu (Scott P. Toenniessen) writes: > >I use DSDD 5 1/4 as 720K disks with no problems so far (I've been doing > >this for a few months). Well, I've got one up on ya. I've been doing this for a few YEARS. > Apparently some of these 'quad' density disk drives are sensitive about NOT > having hub rings on the floppy. You will notice that High-Density floppies > do not have these rings... Believe it or not, I've seen DSHD diskettes WITH hub rings. In fact, I have a few in my collection. I guess a reason that HD diskettes have no hub ring is so then the dumb-ass user can tell the difference between a "360K" disk and a "1.2M" disk just by looking at it. > So, is there a source of fairly high quality DS/DD floppies WITHOUT hub rings, > for those of us that plan to format and use these disks as if they were Quad > density disks? I've seen DSDD diskettes without hub rings, but those are a PAIN to find. I wouldn't waste my time worrying about those silly hub rings. Just get DSDD diskettes and get it the hell over with... :-) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 92 13:07:30 GMT From: uunet.ca!geac!r-node!druid!darcy@uunet.uu.net (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) Subject: Re: AT&T 3b2 computer.... Message-ID: <1992Sep15.130730.16037@druid.uucp> eudoh@ST6000.SCT.EDU (Etop Udoh) writes: > looking for software and boot disks for an AT&T 3b2 computer..... I didn't know that a 3B2 could even boot CP/M. :-) -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid.com) | D'Arcy Cain Consulting | There's no government Toronto, Ontario, Canada | like no government! +1 416 424 2871 DoD#0082 | ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 92 02:35:08 GMT From: digex.com!gjw@uunet.uu.net (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: Please help me identify this Kaypro! Message-ID: <1992Sep15.023508.3530@access.digex.com> In article <1992Sep13.233104.27654@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kharber@ecn.purdue.edu (Keith A Harber) writes: >I have the following Kaypro portable computer. It has a Z80 in it, runs >CP/M, and has no hard drive--I think it only has 128k ram. It is a 4Mhz Z80A with 64K. > >"Kaypro" in blue on sides of machine, blue keyboard. "Kaypro" on top >left of keyboard. Front of computer has gray CRT, displays green text on >black background. A blue "1" is near the 2 disk drives A and B, which are >half height drives mounted VERTICALLY on the right. On the back of the >machine, underneath the handle, is "KAYPRO 1" in blue, next to it is a >sticker with Kaypro 2 on it, along with FCC ID CUL7XLKP2. The serial # >on the back of the machine is 391875. Other than the reset button, power >switch, fuse, power input, and brightness controls, there is the following: > >J2, six pin phone type connector >J3, serial printer output port >J4, Modem I/O port (serial) >J5, Keyboard 4 pin phone type connector >J6, Parallel Printer output port > >I'd appreciate any help in identifying this Kaypro, someone told me that >Kaypro maybe just had a few Kaypro 1's for testing/prototype purposes, and >it evolved into the Kaypro 2 and this one was modified to be a 2. > >Thanks! > >Keith Harber >kharber@ed.ecn.purdue.edu > No, it really is a Kaypro 1. The Kaypro 1 was introduced around 1985 or so. It came after all of the Kaypro 2's. A brief description of what is has is: 64K, 2 Ds/DD disk drives, 2 serial, 1 parallel, came with CP/M and Perfect Writer. It has what was called the "Universal Roms", which was when Kaypro finally got around to standardizing the roms in all of the machines. I have one of them sitting downstairs, along with an original II'83 and all of the documentation if that can help. I've also cross-posted this to comp.os.cpm (which is why I left in so much of the article. Apologies to those who get concerned about that sort of thing.) Gregory Watson gjw@access.digex.com gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #98 ************************************ 20-Sep-92 22:46:35-MDT,9485;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 92 22:45:06 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #99 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920920224507.V92N99@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 20 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 99 Today's Topics: dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30 dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86 Kaypro with Drivtec Drives need os for kaypro Posting to Usenet / Readnews..... Re: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR Re: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives Televideo TPC-1 CPM Portable PC For Sale Want software for XEROX cpm machine.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Sep 92 09:27:45 GMT From: das.wang.com!wang!news@uunet.uu.net (Joel Jacobsen) Subject: dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30 Message-ID: <2354@itexjct.jct.ac.il> When I'm tring to run dBASE II under TurboDOS 1.30, andhave more the aprox. 1 minute 'idle time', the dBASE crash. The system is: Televideo TS-803, 128K RAM TurboDOS 1.30 dBASE running from bank 1 What is wrong? Joel ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 92 11:42:26 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!messmer@uunet.uu.net (Willi Messmer) Subject: dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86 Message-ID: Yes, Ashton's dBase II install.cmd for my cpm86 system is needed. So, if you have one, please mail me. Willi messmer@lut.fi ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 92 03:46:40 GMT From: world!jws@uunet.uu.net (jim w stephens) Subject: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives Message-ID: I am looking for information about some Kaypro computer's which are equipped with Drivtec Drives. These are 3.3Mb capacity drives which were manufactured in the 84-85 timeframe. I believe these machines were called Robie machines or some such. I cannot boot normal 360k floppies on these machines, although the Drivtecs I haved used on PC's will do so. Thanks Jim Stephens jws@world.std.com -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Stephens jws@world.std.com Irvine, Ca -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 92 21:13:07 GMT From: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu!cuajg@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Arthur Gramlich) Subject: need os for kaypro Message-ID: <1992Sep15.211307.11688@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> Hi everyone, My mom recently bought some kaypro computers at an auction? Unfortunatly they didn't have any disks or manuals. Could someone please tell me where I could get the o.s. disks for this computer??? Please E-mail me. Thanks Jay Gramlich cuajg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:56:57 EDT From: eudoh@st6000.sct.edu (Etop Udoh) Subject: Posting to Usenet / Readnews..... Message-ID: <9209171556.AA20787@st6000.sct.edu> hi, Wondering if anyone knows of anyway to post to USENET'S comp.sys..... newsgroups ?????? -- ..................................................................... : Etop Udoh Eudoh@sct.edu : : 1112 Hudson Rd. Southern College of Technology : : Marietta, Ga 30060 Marietta, Georgia : : : : Abandon all hope ye who have entered " CYBERSPACE " : :...................................................................: ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 92 15:30:20 GMT From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!jet!dba@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dennis B Armstrong) Subject: Re: KAYPRO W/ WORDSTAR Message-ID: <1992Sep16.153020.6170@jet.uk> In <1992Sep14.163014.1@vax1.umkc.edu> lbartel@vax1.umkc.edu writes: >I'm writing this on behalf of some friends. What could be causing Wordstar on >a Kaypro to loose all digits and punctuation on the monitor after about five >minutes of operation? The characters exist in the text file and print fine but >do not display on the CRT. After about five minutes of operation these >characters are lost but the editing session can still continue with everything >behaving normally except for the display. The digits and punctuation >characters disappear and are replaced by blank spaces on the CRT. I'm sorry I >don't know more specifics on the machine and version of Wordstar being used, >but it was purchased, in the US, in the early 80's. This machine has served >them very well in Spain, and now in the US. >I use Wordstar and CPM on my Apple ][+ and still like it very well. It sounds like the character generator EPROM is flakey and some of the bits are failing. There was a discussion on this in sci.electronics not so long back. Try removing the EPROM and cleaning the pins if it is socketed, otherwise resolder the pins. good luck dennis -- _. ._______________________. .___________________________________________ _| |___. .__. ._____. .____| |__ Dennis Armstrong, CODAS division | | | |__. | | Joint European Torus | | | :__| | | Abingdon, Oxfordshire, OX14 3EA, UK |~__' : | `--. | | tel ++44 235 464871 ~----~ +----+ +-+ dba@jet.uk - Disclaimer: Please note that the above is a personal view and should not be construed as an official comment from the JET project. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Sep 92 17:21:27 GMT From: sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucselx!crash!donm@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Kaypro with Drivtec Drives Message-ID: <1992Sep16.102128.28214@crash> There were two Kaypro manifestations of the Drivetec 3.3 floppy disk drive. One was the Robie (Darth Vader's lunchbox), and the other was the 4X which was the normal Kaypro box but with Drivetec's vice normal 360's. Either version was capable of reading a 360k disk, *but*, only after booting from the 3.3 disk. Neither version was capable of writing to a 360k disk. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 92 17:03:08 GMT From: mcsun!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org@uunet.uu.net (Bart Jahnke) Subject: Televideo TPC-1 CPM Portable PC For Sale Message-ID: <537@arrl.org> For Sale: Televideo TPC-1 Portable PC. It has two 5-1/4" DSDD drives, and 64k memory (plus a spare 10 k for application software that can utilize the extra memory. Has built-in amber monitor and keyboard which serves as a front panel cover during transit. Have Wordstar, Uniform (a disk read/write utility which permits file transfers to many different operating systems including MS-DOS) and other interesting programs. $115 (or best offer). Shipping negotiable. Contact Bart Jahnke at 203-666-1541 (ext 251) days, 203-742-5128 nights, or Email to "bjahnke@arrl.org". ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 92 03:19:03 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au!ins279k@uunet.uu.net (Martin Halford) Subject: Want software for XEROX cpm machine.... Message-ID: Hi! My Father, not being computer minded, paid too much for a Xerox cpm machine at an auction not so long ago. It came with NO disks, NO documentation and NO refund...... Consequently, he wants me to get it running for him so that he can do some basic word processing, spread sheet and database work. (Nothing fancy, but enough to keep track of bills etc. in his small business) I know absolutely NOTHING about cpm and have only subscribed to this news group to find out if the machine can still be used.... It is a Xerox machine (as already stated) with two 8" floppy drives, and a pretty standard looking CRT. The machine has no visible model name or identifyable markings other than "XEROX" on it's crt case. The machine displays the following message when it is first turned on... XEROX 820 RX VER 1.0... L - LOAD SYSTEM It has a printer port, comm port and the keyboard and disk drives also have port connections going into the crt box where the cpu obviously lives. I opened the crt box to see if there were any easily identifyable chips or interesting helpful "other things" but not much made sense to me (what did I expect?) Does anyone know what sort of software runs on this dinosaur, & where I could get it etc??? What disk format does it use?? Any information (useful or otherwise) would be greatly appreciated!!! Please e-mail me or post replies here... Thanks.....martin (ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au) ps: sorry if this is a FAQ.... -- Martin Halford email: ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au phone: +61 3 836 4531 "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh" -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #99 ************************************ 23-Sep-92 13:49:07-MDT,9271;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:45:24 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #100 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920923134527.V92N100@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 23 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 100 Today's Topics: Gnat Model 10M CP/M Computer Half dead Kaypro II Mysterious Televideo computer Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Re: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System Re: Half dead Kaypro II (2 msgs) Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Re: Mysterious Televideo computer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 92 05:41:59 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Gnat Model 10M CP/M Computer Message-ID: <1992Sep22.224159.16949@crash> I'm looking for any available information *and* a System Disk for a Gnat Model 10M CP/M computer. The machine was built in San Diego CA in about 1984, and is a single unit machine with a 12" screen, two 5.25" FH floppy drives, and a keyboard with 10 function keys, arrow keys, and a numeric keypad all in the same box. Any information - whether software, hardcopy, or lore - will be greatly appreciated. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society donm@crash.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 18:51:00 GMT From: olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!nntp.uoregon.edu!donald.uoregon.edu!rbear@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Richard Bear) Subject: Half dead Kaypro II Message-ID: <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II. I'm still getting by on stone-age stuff: a couple of 8088 XT clones. I have just inherited another KII from a friend's closet which seems to be suffering from failure to communicate with its A drive. Switch on, warms up, CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 92 05:28:35 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!athena.cs.uga.edu!rholmes@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Robb Holmes) Subject: Mysterious Televideo computer Message-ID: <1992Sep21.052835.2679@athena.cs.uga.edu> I have come into possession of a device made by Televideo, and would appreciate any information anyone could supply. I have found no model number on this computer, so I can only report that it is a self-contained unit, with a monitor mounted on vertical pivots. Stacked to the right of the monitor are two 5.25" vertical disk drives. The keyboard, which attaches to the system unit with a coiled cable and modular telephone connector, has a label that says "Tele-PC", and is laid out much like the keyboards on the early IBM PC. Of course, no disks or documentation came with this thing. I'm guessing it's a CP/M machine, but does anyone recognize it from the description? ------- Robb Holmes WUGA-FM Ga. Center for Continuing Ed. Univ. of Georgia rholmes@athena.cs.uga.edu rholmes@uga.cc.uga.edu bitnet:rholmes@uga ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 05:42:59 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Message-ID: <1992Sep22.224300.17008@crash> I'm looking for a System Disk for the OSBORNE VIXEN. Will pay costs of media, mailer, and postage. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society donm@crash.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 17:11:43 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!mlb.semi.harris.com!dw3f.ess.harris.com!ccarpent@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Craig Carpenter) Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Sony CP/M System Message-ID: <1992Sep22.171143.18926@mlb.semi.harris.com> ---- --I have a Sony Series 35 Model 10 System that I would REALLY like to get rid of. -- --The specs as I know are: -- -- Mac SE look-like case -- 2 - 3.5" drives -- Parallel and Serial Ports -- Word Processing Software Package -- Wide Carriage 40cps daisywheel -- with Twin-bin sheet feeeder -- and approx 40 extra ribbons. -- -- From what I have learned this is a CP/M system -- --Would like to get $300 for this, but will CERTAINLY entertain ANY offers. -- --Thanks Anybody have any interest in such a system or even the printer. The printer alone has got to be worth at least $150 (ribbons alone cost $120). This thing is taking up a lot of space that I need and really want to get rid of it. Please make some kind of offer. ======================================================================== ====== Craig Carpenter HARRIS CORPORATION E-Mail: ccarpent@dw3f.ess.harris.com IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD Phone : (407)984-6444 I S D D Fax : (407)984-6327 I SSSSSSSS D D I S D D "Me, Myself, and I have IIIIIIIII SSSSSSSS DDDDDDD these opinions, not the company" ======================================================================== ===== ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 02:48:01 GMT From: digex.com!gjw@uunet.uu.net (Gregory Watson) Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II Message-ID: <1992Sep23.024801.23922@access.digex.com> In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear) writes: >Switch on, warms up, >CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is >not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board >doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines >of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and >maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? Did you also remember to swap the terminating resistor? Also have you tried cleaning the drives? Also try it with just one drive connected. Gregory Watson gjw@access.digex.com gjw1@midway.uchicago.edu (if the above fails) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 01:48:12 GMT From: world!bmarcum@uunet.uu.net (Bill Marcum) Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II Message-ID: In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Richard Bear) writes: >I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II. >doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines >of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and >maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? When you swapped the drives, did you change the drive select jumpers? Does either one of the drive LEDs come on? Bill Marcum bmarcum@world.std.com b.marcum@genie.geis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:05:07 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: <9209231305.AA07203@LL.MIT.EDU> Christopher Browne (cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca) wrote: >> Just as a possible irrelevant question: Can something like this >> system be used to bootstrap a ZCPR system onto an I*M compatible? Probably not. Z80MU does not implement a complete and accurate CP/M system. It does a good enough job to allow one to run most standard CP/M application programs, but it cannot handle operating-system-level stuff. However, there is an extremely nice program by Simeon Cran of Australia called MYZ80. It creates a totally complete CP/M environment, including the file system, and it runs anything that will run under CP/M. It took me less than a minute to have an NZCOM version of Z-System running under it. Look for the file MYZ80100.ZIP on BBSs and (I hope) on SIMTEL20. My 486 PC is now by far my highest performance Z-System Z80/Z180 computer -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 92 13:44:39 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!mde@uunet.uu.net (Michael Dennis Evenson) Subject: Re: Mysterious Televideo computer Message-ID: <66274@cup.portal.com> What you have sounds like a Televideo 1605. It is an MSDOS compatible machine It will run off the shelf MSDOS. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #100 ************************************* 25-Sep-92 17:16:49-MDT,8499;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 17:15:33 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #101 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920925171535.V92N101@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 25 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 101 Today's Topics: cpm_swap_meet dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86 Help with Televideo TS816 Re: Half dead Kaypro II Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted TRS80, a brief introduction.... WANTED - Amstrad serial interface Y Wing II Z280 Development Systems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Sep 92 06:18:32 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!malgudi.oar.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rpi!utcsri!geac!torsqnt!unixbox!dosgate!dosgate![blair.groves%canrem. (blair groves) Subject: cpm_swap_meet Message-ID: <199223.4443.2932@dosgate> The third annual CP/M Swap Meet is tentatively going to take place ... Place: Canada Remote Systems office seminar room Crestlawn Drive, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Date: Saturday October 10, 9:00AM to Noon. Activities: Swap and sale of CP/M computers, terminals, peripherals, and software. Round-Table discussions News on current events Demo's & More Anyone who is interested in CP/M, or wants to buy/sell/swap anything to do with CP/M, is welcome. Please send E-Mail replies to: blair.groves@canrem.com --- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario, Canadas World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 92 10:04:01 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!kc@uunet.uu.net (Richard Plinston) Subject: dB II install.cmd needed for cpm86 Message-ID: <10292267.36241.1575@kcbbs.gen.nz> >>>>> dBaseII for CP/M-86 Better send me your snail-mail address and disk format required. I'll see what I can do. cheers ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 00:08:33 GMT From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!azog@rutgers.edu (Billy D'Augustine) Subject: Help with Televideo TS816 Message-ID: <1992Sep22.000833.20452@spatula.rent.com> Hiyas all. For some time now, Ive had a TS816 that I didnt do much with, so it sat around idle for about a year. Now the other day when I went to power it on, it wouldnt boot. The belt slipped of the hard drive, and when I put it back on, I fear that I spun the drive motor in reverse. For those not familiar with Quantum 8" drives, this can be A Very Bad Thing. (apperently what happens is the head is mounted on a sort of diagional, and when spun backwards, it gouges the platters) So now I am in sort of a situation. When I first aquired the machine, I used the tape drive to dump all the data onto carts, so I have a backup of all the stuff. But, I cant boot it. The head arm goes into its jumping back and forth fits, and never arrives at the boot track. But, hopefully all is not lost. I have a spare Quantum Q2040 laying about (same size drive), that I can replace it with, but the problem is getting a boot onto it. I know that the 816 can boot from a tape, but I dont have a bootable tape. Is there someone out there who could create one for me, with the dump program on it (and directions, its been a long time and I dont recall the command syntax) so I can restore it? I would reimburse you with a replacement tape, and/or shipping, as you desire Thanx! Billy D'Augustine azog@spatula.rent.com ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 05:52:38 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!wixer!roadhog@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lindsay Haisley) Subject: Re: Half dead Kaypro II Message-ID: <1992Sep23.055238.23749@wixer.cactus.org> In article <22SEP199211510304@donald.uoregon.edu> rbear@donald.uoregon.edu (Ric hard Bear) writes: >I long ago got rid of the best computer I ever owned , a rock solid Kaypro II. >I'm still getting by on stone-age stuff: a couple of 8088 XT clones. I have >just inherited another KII from a friend's closet which seems to be >suffering from failure to communicate with its A drive. Switch on, warms up, >CRT says put disk in drive. There is only the master disk, which I ASSUME is >not damaged, but the drive doesn't pay it any mind, or perhaps the board >doesn't pay the drive any mind. I opened up the case, admired the clean lines >of the interior, and swapped the drives, on the theory that A is broke and >maybe B ain't. No response. Next move? In your situation I'd check out your boot disk. You can do this on any MS- DOS machine using one of several programs which will read and write the Kaypro II SSDD format. One such, which I have on my BBS (512-259-1261, the Kaypro Club of Austin (TX)) is 22DISK, a shareware set of programs which allow reading and writing of files to and from floppies using various CP/M formats. Another offering from the same company (Sydex) is ANADISK, also for MS-DOS machines, which will check your boot disk for dead sectors. Our BBS offers assistance for Kaypro CP/M users, in as much as we can over the distances involved. -- "Everything works if you let it" | Lindsay Haisley | roadhog@wixer.cactus.org ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 92 05:44:43 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Message-ID: <1992Sep24.224444.17484@crash> Thanks for the helpful suggestions/hints/leads. I've got 'em now!! ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 11:54:13 GMT From: eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!messmer@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Willi Messmer) Subject: TRS80, a brief introduction.... Message-ID: Yes, I'm receiving a TRS80 for little money but I actually don't know anything about the hardware facilities it has, only that it has two floppies in it, so what I'm asking is if someone could give me an information package on this beauty. Information like cpu, MHz, the floppydrives, bus, video ... Thanks, Willi messmer@lut.fi Ps. I just don't believe that nobody has dBaseII-86 version.. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 18:03:02 GMT From: pitt.edu!szurek@gatech.edu (Joseph R Szurek) Subject: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface Message-ID: <6135@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> Does anyone have an Amstrad interface unit that you are interested in selling? I have a friend who needs one. Reply to szurek@vms.cis.pitt.edu or post here. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 92 23:10:07 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!gateway@hplabs.hpl.hp.com (Scott M McLewin) Subject: Y Wing II Message-ID: <9209232312.AA04376@ultrix> I used to play a text based game call Y Wing II, or Y2 which ran under CPM 86 on my Zenith Z-100. I cannot find the program anywhere in my archives, and I have this mad urge to play it again. My Z100 looks so unhappy holding paper on the desk like that...... If anybody has this game or knows where I can find it, I would like to get a copy of it. Many thanks Scott smclewin@ultrix.ramapo.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 92 22:56:26 GMT From: theory.TC.Cornell.EDU!gould@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (EWD) Subject: Z280 Development Systems Message-ID: <1992Sep22.225626.18865@tc.cornell.edu> Looking for MS-DOS (possibly 486 SVR4) based Z280 Development system with C and assembler for ROMable code. Have looked at SoftTools' system, which looks pretty clean and polished, but it doesn't seem to be quite up to the standards of more modern compilers I had grown used to before finding myself back in the micro world. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Eliot W. Dudley RD 1, Box 66 Cato, New York 13033 315 626 2878 edudley@mailbox.syr.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #101 ************************************* 28-Sep-92 03:18:55-MDT,9972;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:15:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #102 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920928031516.V92N102@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 28 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 102 Today's Topics: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 ????? Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 (2 msgs) Re: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Urgent - Info about communications abilities of a CPC6128 victor 9000 computers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Sep 92 23:41:15 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw039.cc.monash.edu.au!ins279k@uunet.uu.net (Martin Halford) Subject: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 ????? Message-ID: Hi!!! I've been told that the Xerox 820 cpm machine with SSSD 8" drives, is just a Ferguson Big Board "in disguise". Is this true?? What's a Ferguson Big Board??? My hidden agenda is that someone is willing to sell me software for my Xerox 820 which runs on his Ferguson Big Board machine. The claim is that the two machines are identical. Any help would be greatly appreciated..... Thanks..... ......martin -- Martin Halford email: ins279k@ccds.cc.monash.edu.au phone: +61 3 836 4531 "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh" -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 92 20:00:41 GMT From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!po.CWRU.Edu!rfd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard F. Drushel) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: <19t6paINNrbe@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> In a previous article, sage@LL.MIT.EDU (Jay Sage) says: > However, there is an extremely nice program by Simeon Cran of >Australia called MYZ80. It creates a totally complete CP/M environment, >including the file system, and it runs anything that will run under CP/M. >It took me less than a minute to have an NZCOM version of Z-System >running under it. Look for the file MYZ80100.ZIP on BBSs and (I hope) on >SIMTEL20. My 486 PC is now by far my highest performance Z-System >Z80/Z180 computer Nope, it's not on SIMTEL20 yet, at least under PD1:. Does this thing have a less extravagant shareware price than Z80MU PROFESSIONAL (i.e. $150.00)? -- Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNet Co-Sysop, Coleco ADAM Forum --- Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG "Solda pung apfashat ro des-marno, / Marn ladir o armag noth yeni arno. / Hell miryat it, / Jambo iat it, / Os lasse wei ticip kati baldo." / Old Ennish poem ------------------------------ Date: 26 Sep 92 00:50:06 GMT From: usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!naos!ewen@uunet.uu.net (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Re: Joan Riff's Z80MU PROFESSIONAL Editor: 1 of 3 Message-ID: <82FqRB1w164w@naos.actrix.gen.nz> rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes: > [MYZ80] > Nope, it's not on SIMTEL20 yet, at least under PD1: EMULATORS>. Does this thing have a less extravagant shareware price > than Z80MU PROFESSIONAL (i.e. $150.00)? Yes. Much less. From memory the price is AUS$30 (works out to about US$25 I think). I've had a brief play with MYZ80 and was very impressed. The pop-up "debug" window is very useful (ctrl-break brings up a window which allows single stepping, etc). I brought it up, in the default configuration, out of the box. By default it runs ZPM3 (a CP/M Plus clone) and works very well. Utilities are provided for importing/exporting from the CP/M drive, and there is an API around for talking to the host machines hardware (eg, for serial comms, printer, etc). I would strongly recommend obtaining a copy and having a look at it if you are at all interested in Z80 and/or CP/M emulation. Oh, BTW, it's a true emulator - with a real BIOS, BDOS, and CCP - none of this "emulated BDOS" mess. Simeon Cran, the author, has done a very good job with both MyZ80 and ZP/M 3. I use ZP/M 3 on my main CP/M machine, and it works nicely and is a bit faster than the generic CP/M Plus. MyZ80 is also very fast. I got the impression that on my 286/10 it was an effective 2.5 Mhz Z80 - very very good. > -- > Rich Drushel ** rfd@po.CWRU.edu *** Biology Ph.D. Student ** Cleveland FreeNe -- Ewen McNeill, ewen@naos.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Sep 92 17:48:44 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: WANTED - Amstrad serial interface Message-ID: <1992Sep24.104844.3110@crash> You might try: Amstrad & CP/M stuff Elliam Associates PO Box 2664 Atascadero, CA 93423 805-446-8440 Bill Roch ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 08:47:10 GMT From: news.u.washington.edu!glia!jfoy@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Jeff Foy) Subject: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Message-ID: Today I was given a system that is tagged as TS-806/20. I'm assuming, at least for the moment, that it is a TS-806 computer with a 20 meg hard drive. (I know there's a hard drive but I've not been able to determine what kind it is yet) The system came with five TeleVideo 925 terminals with keyboards. According to what little info came with the system, it seems to run a network-type system called MmmOST with CP/M R 2.2. Ok, the problems: 1) No boot disk. (5.25" floppy drive so assuming this should be a 5.25" floppy diskette -- about 368k I'd imagine. 2) No cable for the hard drive. Two openings on the rear of the machine are labeled WINCH (DATA) and WINCH (CONTROL). I'm assuming this is where the cable is supposed to snake through. 3) The cables for the workstation terminals had been severed so I'll probably need new ones. They seem to be RS-422 D-style connections (15-pins). The questions: 1) Where can I get a boot disk either with or without MmmOST? Cost? 2) Where can I get an appropriate hard drive cable? Cost? 3) Will any RS-422 cables work? If not, where can I get the right type for this setup? The sooner I can get this system online, the sooner I can finish up CP/M ZIP as my other CP/M system (BMC if800) bit the big one about three weeks ago. Comments, pointers, tips, etc. are definitely encouraged. Thanks for your attention. :) -- Jeffery Foy -- Either: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -or- foysys!jeffery@cs.washington.edu *** FREE BILL & KATHY SWAN *** -*- Happy as a clam to be using Professional YAM -*- :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 17:08:40 From: Giorgos Kavallieratos Subject: Urgent - Info about communications abilities of a CPC6128 Message-ID: <9209251054.aa08910@WHARF.BRL.MIL> Hello, I have an Amstrad CPC 6128 computer, running CP/M plus. I want to access my computer account in the university so since I already have this computer I was wondering if I could use it as a remote terminal. So: 1) I know there is a 'general expansion slot' where I could connect an RS 232 port. So i can connect it to a modem. But, someone told me that regular modems arent 'proper' for Amstrad. I know it sounds silly, because the RS232 port is a standard and modems just 'talk' to it, but before I give all those money for a modem, I wanna be 100% sure that it will work. So, will I have any H/W problems or I will just need regular modem? 2) S/W question: What communications program will I need in order to establish the connection? I am wondering if there is something similar to the PROCOMM thing. Does anyone know any program that could turn my CPC6128 to a network terminal? Can I find anything in some anonymous FTP site? if not, is there anything in the market? does it provide vt100 emulation? Please, if anyone wishes to answer I would appreciate if it will be sent to me by private e-mail because I am not reading the mails of this discussion group. Thanks in advance Giorgos Kavallieratos Univ. of Crete - Greece ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 92 05:37:52 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!gws46142@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Big-guy Lurch ) Subject: victor 9000 computers Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have two Victor 9000 computers from the early '80s, and was wondering if anyone knew anything about them. They run cpm/86 or ms-dos 2.1. It appears that they are running an intel 8088 processor like the IBM pc, but they don't seem to be fully IBM compatible. I do know that the cpm system works right. But anyway, the question is, does anyone know anything about these machines, have any software they will run, or any peripherals with which they are compatible? Also any idea on approximate value if I were to try to sell these things? Thanks Greg Steele gws46142@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu -- Remember, no matter how much shit someone gives you, you can always just kill the bastard. Remind people of this when they start giving you shit, most of the time they get the hint. gws46142@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Big-Guy on irc ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #102 ************************************* 29-Sep-92 15:49:51-MDT,8324;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:45:15 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #103 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920929154517.V92N103@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 29 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 103 Today's Topics: Apologies re: InterMeta course Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Re: victor 9000 computers Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Serial printers WordStar 4.0 for CP/M z80 assembler suggestions desired ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:45 BSC (-0300 C) From: gomide@fpsp.fapesp.br Subject: Apologies re: InterMeta course PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY ! It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this privileges and announced a eletronic course: > ____________________________________________________________ > Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power - > The InterMeta Course > ____________________________________________________________ I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules. PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY! I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been revoked, and there will be no such course through my network. With regards, -- Alberto Courrege Gomide | Fundacao de Amparo `a Pesquisa - (11)831-3357 Software Supervisor | Rua Pio XI, 1500 - CEP 05468-901 - Sao Paulo | FAX (11)261-4167 Telex (11)82014 - Brazil (ACG8) - .BR Domain Technical Contact. | ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 04:35:30 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Jeffry_A_Mickey@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: Osborne Vixen System Disk Wanted Message-ID: <66808@cup.portal.com> > > I'm looking for a System Disk for the OSBORNE VIXEN. Will > pay costs of media, mailer, and postage. > > Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG > of the San Diego Computer Society donm@crash.cts.com > Disks for the Vixen are no problem, and no charge. Where do I send them? jeff Mickey jmic@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 05:29:26 GMT From: crash!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin) Subject: Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Message-ID: <1992Sep28.222927.7088@crash> I think that the 'Winch' slots you mention are probably for an external drive. There should be an internal one. Also, on the back panel should be a 25 pin connector marked Terminal. On the machine that I have seen, this was for the 'master' terminal - the others were for 'slave' or 'satellite' terminals. I have a couple of disks with the MmmOST files on them, but neither are bootable. I'd be very interested in a copy of a CP/M 2.2 system disk if you get one, and also a bootable TurboDOS floppy if someone runs across one. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk Archive for the Dino(saur)-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society donm@crash.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 08:12:08 GMT From: agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!mcsun!sun4nl!freya.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: victor 9000 computers Message-ID: <1992Sep28.081208.2186@cs.rug.nl> The victor 9000 is an MS-DOS compatible, definately NOT IBM-PC compatible. I knew someone who had one running. It can redefine ALL it's character fonts, and this option is used in the special basic to 'do' graphics (i.e. the value in the screen memory indexes a (i believe 16x16 or 8x16 dot) bitmap array.) I think it'll run a fair share of MS-DOS programs, but IBM-BIOS compatibility is a problem... Greetings, Bert -- #include Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University Friendly mail to: laverman@cs.rug.nl The rest to: /dev/null ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 19:27:43 GMT From: ogicse!news.u.washington.edu!glia!jfoy@decwrl.dec.com (Jeff Foy) Subject: Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Message-ID: In <1a6p2uINN16o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ed Grey) writes: >I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the >printer driver for the Epson FX-85. When I try to print, I keep >getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory >or it cannot find the printer driver. Qustions: Ed, is WordStar talking directly to the printer or is it going through the BIOS (or BDOS)? I remember having this same problem when I was using 4.0 on CP/M. Removing all the other drivers (ASCII, DRAFT, blah, blah) helped me. -- Jeffery Foy -- Either: jfoy@glia.biostr.washington.edu -or- foysys!jeffery@cs.washington.edu *** FREE BILL & KATHY SWAN *** -*- Happy as a clam to be using Professional YAM -*- :) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 11:16:33 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Grey) Subject: Serial printers Message-ID: <1a6pihINN1k5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Anyone out there need a serial printer for their CP/M computer. I have a few 'new' Seikosha SP-1000's and I'm willing to sell them at VERY reasonable prices. If interested, contact via E-mail. Take care. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 92 11:08:14 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ac959@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Grey) Subject: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Message-ID: <1a6p2uINN16o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the printer driver for the Epson FX-85. When I try to print, I keep getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory or it cannot find the printer driver. Qustions: 1. How much memory is needed? I've tried with as much as 59K. 2. Is this a normal problem when trying to install a driver for a full featured printer? 3. Is there a way around this problem? Thanks, any help, information and/or suggestions regarding WS4.0 will be greatly appreciated. I've been happy with WS3.3 and only now am I considering switching because I wanted to use additional features of my printer. Take care. NOTE: I've tried using CP/M 2.2, CP/M 3.0 and Z-system. The symtoms don't change. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:29:07 -0500 From: curts@tmpcu.mdc.com (Curt Schroeder) Subject: z80 assembler suggestions desired Message-ID: <9209291629.AA11124@tmpcu.mdc.com> Does anyone know of a good freeware/shareware z80 assembler that can produce Microsoft compatible .rel (relocatable) object code? Thanks in advance for your help! Curt Curt Schroeder | McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company | ----------------------------------------------------------------| These opinions are mine, mine, mine! I | curts@tmpcu.mdc.com | am not an instantiation of Std_Employee! | - Apple II Forever - | ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #103 ************************************* 30-Sep-92 22:17:56-MDT,10629;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:15:30 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V92 #104 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <920930221531.V92N104@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 30 Sep 92 Volume 92 : Issue 104 Today's Topics: Comm program wanted RE: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Transfer cp/m files to elsewhere z80 assembler suggestions desired ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Sep 92 12:27:52 GMT From: MOZART.AERO.UFL.EDU!mauricio@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Comm program wanted Message-ID: <9209301227.AA07482@mozart.aero.ufl.edu> Which shareware program would you recommend to use in a Z80-based CP/M machine (actually, an Apple ][ with a PCPI card)? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:27:41 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: RE: Ferguson Big Board = Xerox 820 Message-ID: <9209301027.AA21428@LL.MIT.EDU> Martin Halford wrote: >> I've been told that the Xerox 820 cpm machine with SSSD 8" drives, is >> just a Ferguson Big Board "in disguise". Is this true?? What's a Ferguson >> Big Board??? It is basically true. Jim Ferguson developed a very nice single-board Z80 computer kit at a very attractive price. That was my first computer, and it was very nicely done. Two other computers used the basic Ferguson design: Xerox and Kaypro. As I understand it, Xerox did the right thing legally and ethically; they paid Ferguson to design a similar board to serve as the basis for their personal computer. But they did the wrong thing technically. They insisted on some changes from the BigBoard design; all, as far as I could tell (I also had a Xerox 820 for a while), made the computer worse! Kaypro, on the other hand, apparently stole the BigBoard concept. However, they did the right thing technically, introducing some nice improvements (such as support for 5" drives). This was the very first Kaypro computer. In Kaypro's defense, I have been told that they did later reach an agreement with Ferguson and did pay him. Unfortunately, Kaypro went downhill from there and developed a knack for coming out with new designs that were worse than their predecessors. I have a Kaypro 286/16 AT clone. It is the only clone on which I have had trouble with standard software. Kaypro's recent bankruptcy was well-earned. The old CP/M machines were probably the best CP/M computers ever made in terms of reliability, and many are still in regular use. >> My hidden agenda is that someone is willing to sell me software for my >> Xerox 820 which runs on his Ferguson Big Board machine. The claim is that >> the two machines are identical. The machines are very nearly identical. This goes back quite a few years, but my recollection is that I could almost always move software between the BigBoard and the 820 without having to make any changes. Of course, you should understand that most software can moved between any CP/M computers. The only changes that are required are configuration for different terminal codes and different port addresses for I/O. The Ferguson boards (including, I believe, the 820 and early Kaypros) used memory-mapped video with BIOS support for terminal emulation. Some BigBoard software actually wrote directly to video RAM for better performance. As I recall, such software on my BigBoard would run on the 820. In short, I think that the BigBoard software will work, but you should ask for the right to return it if it cannot be made to work. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 08:13:13 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!freya.let.rug.nl!rug4!laverman@uunet.uu.net (Bert Laverman) Subject: Re: Televideo TS806/20 Info Requested Message-ID: <1992Sep29.081313.21253@cs.rug.nl> Jeff Foy writes: > Today I was given a system that is tagged as TS-806/20. Hey, here we go again. The Televideo's seem to be in their retirement phase ;-) > I'm assuming, at > least for the moment, that it is a TS-806 computer with a 20 meg hard > drive. (I know there's a hard drive but I've not been able to determine > what kind it is yet) Correct. The TS806-10 had a 10Mb drive. Actually, you'll have only 17MB to use. :-( > The system came with five TeleVideo 925 terminals with keyboards. Thos should be TS800-A's, which are full Z80 systems, but without disks. > According to what little info came with the system, it seems to run a > network-type system called MmmOST with CP/M R 2.2. Mmmost is a program that runs on the 806, and takes care of the 800's disk I/O. It also provides a rough form of protection, and some printer spooling. > Ok, the problems: > 1) No boot disk. (5.25" floppy drive so assuming this should be a 5.25" > floppy diskette -- about 368k I'd imagine. It should boot from the HD. Press the reset button again immediately after booting if it tries to boot from floppy. > 2) No cable for the hard drive. Two openings on the rear of the machine > are labeled WINCH (DATA) and WINCH (CONTROL). I'm assuming this is > where the cable is supposed to snake through. ??? The HD should be inside the 806 case. > 3) The cables for the workstation terminals had been severed so I'll > probably need new ones. They seem to be RS-422 D-style connections > (15-pins). As far as I know that is the case. > The questions: > > 1) Where can I get a boot disk either with or without MmmOST? Cost? If noone in your neighbourhood can help you, I'll send a copy. > 2) Where can I get an appropriate hard drive cable? Cost? I'm not sure. I had a 806/20, but it was scrapped when the HD gave out. Maybe the cables are still somewhere... > 3) Will any RS-422 cables work? If not, where can I get the right type > for this setup? I can check the hardware manual if you like. > The sooner I can get this system online, the sooner I can finish up CP/M > ZIP as my other CP/M system (BMC if800) bit the big one about three > weeks ago. As I said, Help in the states would be fastest, but I'm available as backup :-) Greetings, Bert -- #include Bert Laverman, Dept. of Computing Science, Groningen University Friendly mail to: laverman@cs.rug.nl The rest to: /dev/null ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 92 16:00:45 GMT From: daffodil!wyvern!waggen!alpha@g.ms.uky.edu (Joe Wright) Subject: Re: WordStar 4.0 for CP/M Message-ID: <1992Sep29.160045.29282@waggen.twuug.com> Ed Grey (ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: : : I am trying to install WS4.0, on a TeleVideo 803H, using the : printer driver for the Epson FX-85. When I try to print, I keep : getting an error message saying that I don't have enough memory : or it cannot find the printer driver. Qustions: : : 1. How much memory is needed? I've tried with as much as 59K. : 2. Is this a normal problem when trying to install a driver for : a full featured printer? : 3. Is there a way around this problem? : : Thanks, any help, information and/or suggestions regarding WS4.0 : will be greatly appreciated. I've been happy with WS3.3 and only : now am I considering switching because I wanted to use additional : features of my printer. Take care. : : : NOTE: I've tried using CP/M 2.2, CP/M 3.0 and Z-system. The symtoms : don't change. : Use wschange to create a smaller WSPRINT.OVR containing only the drivers you need. -- Joe Wright alpha@waggen.twuug.com alpha@wyvern.twuug.com ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 92 10:15:31 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!wn1.sci.kun.nl!sci.kun.nl!adridg@uunet.uu.net (Adriaan de Groot) Subject: Transfer cp/m files to elsewhere Message-ID: Sketch of the situation: there's about 30 cp/m machines 'round here -- ICL Quadra, with one 5 1/4" floppy (no idea 'bout density) and a 10M hard disk. The stuff on the hard disk needs to be transferred to a UNIX system. ---- But how? There's a COM port on these machines, so if some kind soul can provide KERMIT or so, we could download the contents to the UNIX system directly. An alternative is to find a way of reading floppies from these ICLs on an MS DOS machine (if I can find one with a 5 1/4" drive) and I can deal with further transfers myself. Would 22DISK work? I've seen this mentioned several times here, I'm sure I can dredge up an XT to read the floppies with. However, I need to get said 22DISK, and that's easier said than done (really?) Can someone point me to, say, a European cp/m users group, an ftp site for a program to read cp/m floppies. How 'bout vaguely useful hints? Could use them, too. If you need more tech information about these ICL machines, mail me and I'll look it up. EMail to adridg@sci.kun.nl. -- +-------------------------------+-----------------------+ + This...is a public service, + adridg@sci.kun.nl + + announcement...with guitars!+ + ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:52:44 -0400 From: Jay Sage Subject: z80 assembler suggestions desired Message-ID: <9209301152.AA22974@LL.MIT.EDU> Curt Schroeder wrote: >> Does anyone know of a good freeware/shareware z80 assembler that can >> produce Microsoft compatible .rel (relocatable) object code? I can't speak for freeware/shareware, but Al Hawley's ZMAC package, at $50, is priced close to a shareware level and is an awfully good deal. Except for speed, where the SLR tools reign supreme, ZMAC is probably the highest quality assembler/linker/librarian package available for CP/M. It has a number of features available only in the $195 professional SLR tools (e.g., automatic grouping by the linker of data-segment items at the end of all code-segment items) and some features found nowhere else (e.g., automatic RSX and type-4 Z-System program generation). And Al Hawley continues to make improvements. All other CP/M assemblers are, as far as I know, unsupported. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V92 Issue #104 *************************************